OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

[Bob]

Can I haz?

[theCryptofishist]

how are "bankers" responsible for the loss of military retirement and Veterans benefits? I do agree, with being pissed about losing them, just wondering about your focus.

The Fed manipulates the value of money and over time the interest we pay has gotten so high that budget cuts and increased taxes are put forth as solutions. But it is corporations such as the Federal Reserve along with bought off politicians who have put us in this situation.

I reckon it's got more to do with this mania for reducing the budget deficit, where we're merely paying down the debt for two wars.
Governments are also cutting police, fire and schools, in case you haven't noticed.

I'd say that the exessive tax cuts for the rich mean that revenue is way down and we cannot fill various obligations.

[Simon of the Playa]

as a pre-diabetic i can totally appreciate that picture...

i'll be back in twenty minutes...

http://www.greecepost.com/feature/x1655 ... ir-message

[theCryptofishist]

(oh crap, I've posted in the thread, now I have to read it again...)

You don't have the body of a proto-diabetic...

[Sola Gangsta]

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[Simon of the Playa]

marfans keeps me trim and svelte...

[Bob]

I'd rather have a prediabetic below me than a prefrontal lobotomy.

[theCryptofishist]

Who is Mr Brain and why am I scared of him and his "rich, west-country sauce"?

[Sola Gangsta]

One of the biggest lies going around about diets is the idea that fat is bad. I'm living proof that high protein and moderate fat, and low carbs works. I'm over 50 and in better shape than most young people. The Framingham heart study makes people focus on cholesterol as a cause when it is really a symptom. The proof that fat is not bad is that when a doctor diagnoses you as a diabetic, you go on a high fat and low carb diet.

Sugar and carbs were scarce more than 200 years ago which is why diabetes was not so prevalent at the time. Also diagnosis of diabetes has changed over the years. It used to be that you had to have blood sugar above 150 years ago to be considered a diabetic. Now it's down to 110 so they can pawn pharma at you for a bigger profit.

[trilobyte]

Think of the west country as Britain's deep south.

[moonrise]

Bob always posts the best photos. Thanks Bob!

[Sola Gangsta]

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[moonrise]

Like^

[Ugly Dougly]

Red head or not, I want to kiss her.

[Nipple]

I don't speak French... what's she saying?

[Elderberry]

Bob! I can't believe you posted that.

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[Elderberry]

Can I haz?

Oh man, does that look delicious.

[junglesmacks]

I wish this was a YouTube so that I could embed it. This is hilarious..

[Elderberry]

I wish this was a YouTube so that I could embed it. This is hilarious..

Definitely funny! And true--and that's not a bad thing, diversity.

[Ugly Dougly]

Can I haz?

Oh man, does that look delicious.

I assume it's raspberry syrup, but knowing this thread, it's probably blood.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 4844_n.jpg

[Box Burner]

Thanks Dougly. This is not one of the better know quotes from Jefferson and it is is well worth repeating. I think that perhaps He saw it coming a200 years ago.

I see that there has been some bemoaning of the messiness of the OWS. I think this is uncalled for. As noted by others here, most of these people are not skilled campers (never mind that they are not burners). Nor are they event planners. They are just ordinary folks who showed up when they heard the call. Take a look at the beginnings of our country. While it has been sanitized and purified by Disney and Hollywood, the years preceding 1776 were not so neat either. Often those who took up the cry in the streets were the poor and uneducated. The message is much more important than the messenger.

And again some quotes.

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mohandas Ghandi.

"The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry

"The tyranny of a principal in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy." --Montesquieu, 1748

"Live free or die." -- Gen. John Stark, the hero of the battles of Bennington and Bunker Hill. Now the motto of the state of New Hampshire

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
-- William Pitt (the younger),
speech on the India Bill, Nov.1783

"There's seldom been control of a new federal agency that wasn't sold by the most efficient fund-raising politicians to the wealthiest pressure groups within four years of its inception." -- Bert Rand

"The people never give up their liberty but under some delusion." -- Edmund Burke, 1784

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins." -- H.L. Mencken, 1923

"I've set my own rules to live by. The first one is: 'Never believe ANYthing the government says.' "
-- George Carlin

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of power. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
-- Daniel Webster, as quoted in Hearings on the confirmation of Abe Fortas to be an associate justice of the Supreme Court, p. 108

"These things I believe:
That government should butt out.
That freedom is our most precious commodity and if we are not eternally vigilant, government will take it all away.
That individual freedom demands individual responsibility.
That government is not a necessary good but an unavoidable evil."
-- Franklyn C. "Lyn" Nofziger, Press Secretary for President Reagan

"[Montesquieu wrote in Spirit of the Laws, VIII,c.12:] 'When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.'" -- Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book.

"People who think of government as the institution to entrust with enough power to right all the world's wrongs seem to never consider that they must thereby give it enough power to do wrong to all the world's rights. In fact, they seem NEVER to consider what the founders always thought was obvious: that the 'good guys' will NOT always be in charge!" -- Bert Rand

[Elderberry]

That quote in some form or another has been repeated many times throughout our history. The last notable person, as I recall, was Dwight Eisenhower.

[Sola Gangsta]

Thanks Dougly. This is not one of the better know quotes from Jefferson and it is is well worth repeating. I think that perhaps He saw it coming a200 years ago.

The reason for this is that the bankers started early and Jefferson, Madison, Andrew Jackson and many other presidents up through Lincoln all said this because they knew from personal experience having to fight back proposed legislation over the years by bankers and other moneyed interests trying to attach themselves to our govt. This is where the biggest money has always been made.

[Sola Gangsta]

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[Box Burner]

Thanks Dougly. This is not one of the better know quotes from Jefferson and it is is well worth repeating. I think that perhaps He saw it coming 200 years ago.

The reason for this is that the bankers started early and Jefferson, Madison, Andrew Jackson and many other presidents up through Lincoln all said this because they knew from personal experience having to fight back proposed legislation over the years by bankers and other moneyed interests trying to attach themselves to our govt. This is where the biggest money has always been made.

sorry, I should have stated that better. The bankers and other moneyed interests were already at it when we were a federation. And as you said; Jefferson and other presidents were having to fight back legislation form the bankers and other moneyed interests.

That quote in some form or another has been repeated many times throughout our history. The last notable person, as I recall, was Dwight Eisenhower.

Eisenhower, in 1961, warned us about a new and very dangerous moneyed interest, the Military-Industrial Complex. And now we see that when the oil men and the arms men get together you end up with perpetual war. Lots of good money to be made there, yes indeedy!


Well come on all of you big strong men, Uncle Sam needs your help again .... or is that Uncles Bush, Shrub and 'Bama?

[cowboyangel]

let me re-iterate for those that dont want to scan thru the 50 some odd pages of propaganda, and i do not attach any negative meaning to the word, it is what it is...I support the OWS movement in action and words...

what i do not support is any group or coalitions that attempt to hijack the anger propelling the movement and catalyze it into violence, under ANY circumstance....this goes for tea-baggers, anarchists, anti-fedders and any others who want to catapult their agenda into power.

PEACEFUL PROTEST without any back-up plans for confrontation...

wishes of peace, not imminentizing the financial eschaton as to be able to scream for the top of the garbage pile "See, i told you so"

that is not constructive, by any means.

as cool as it sounds, we cannot burn everything down and start from scratch, sure, we'll be briefly satisfied as a few well known and well hated heads roll, the public's lust for blood and circus has to be sated, but what do we end up with?



Napolean.


as much as i want to take that well worn route of strife, i think this time, we would be better served to follow gandhi if we want long term results.


ok....back to the Talking Points...

If you analyze the levels of violence surrounding the various Occupy encampments, you'll see that most of it is coming from the police. It is always like this. During the Viet Nam War it was the same thing. Kent State for example. When the state perpetrates violence it's always coated with the language of maintaining order, etc. Their violence is generally accepted. I agree, however, that random anarchist violence at the Occupy locales doesn't help at all. There is the matter of secondary violence and the banks & corporations are responsible for that. That violence comes in the form of foreclosures, loss of jobs, outsourcing jobs, corporate crime and its assault on our health and land base-like BP and our evil and burdensome health care system- stressors that wear people down and shorten their life spans. That form of violence is indirect but it is deadly. We are seeing the beginnings of mass popular unrest. As the Euro zone collapses, the shock waves of that will hit our shores and we'll see an even harsher recession. Useless Washington is gridlocked in the fruitless pursuit of deficit reduction which will only make matters worse. We are on the road to revolution. I hope it doesn't turn violent, but given the nature of the conflict, I'm afraid that that's in the offing. I favor amped hacktivism. Let's hope Anonymous and groups like that mature fast and find ways to expose corporate criminals and interfere with their operations in dire ways.

[Sola Gangsta]

My connections in the police and military say that there is growing dissent within their own ranks. There is an organization for police to support the movement:

http://www.occupypolice.org/

But there is still too much fear for many of them to break ranks even though many do not feel good about what they are being forced to do to keep their jobs. As time moves on guilt will work on their conscience and we'll see more break ranks.

One of my Navy friends says the same thing is happening in the military, and that some of them feel like they have been used for the wrong reasons.

While there has been talk about police provocateurs infiltrating the movement, the same has happened in reverse as there are some in the police and military operating as spies. It was recently revealed that a conference call involving mayors of 18 cities to the dept of homeland security is what has brought the recent crackdowns:

http://capitoilette.com/2011/11/15/oakl ... -movement/

[gyre]

A fisherman awoke one morning to a tapping on his door.

He opened the door to find a seagull there.

The fisherman asked the seagull what business he had with him.

The seagull replied,

"The lion could not come."

[Dr. Pyro]

I must have missed something here. It seems that you people are supporting the protesters. How quaint.

[gyre]

To translate


No financial reform = no confidence