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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by Lonesomebri » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:05 am

Bless wrote:Start your own burn.
Implied in the above remark (Love it how a corporation sells it to you or leave it) is the belief that if a regular person has an opinion or view, get lost, common people have no right to influence the situation they are in, the common person who contributes is still just some interloper. Born serf mentality.

While the pretty people can be found fluttering away to electronic sounds produced by someone else, the BRCCP will continue scrounging in the ashes for things to fling into the fire.
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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by GreyCoyote » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:24 am

Actually Bri, I agree with Bless. Not with his reason behind the comment, but the essence of it. This IS a do-ocracy. WE CAN DO THAT. Maybe we can do it better? Wouldnt it be funny if Larrys hubris on the Long Now was the death knell for BM?

If Larry Harvey feels compelled to shit on the Burner community, then we are free to leave and start our own "burn". Yeah, we would need to step carefully to avoid a few little legal issues, but there is no reason a new semi-autonomous zone couldnt be setup, survive and thrive.

Its something to think about. The spirit of Burning Man does NOT belong to Larry or his ship of fools.
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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by Lonesomebri » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:36 am

GreyCoyote wrote:Actually Bri, I agree with Bless...

Just like the Bmorg, the BRCCP supports a healthy open debate over issues, enthusiastically allows for and has room for many different voices to express the varying viewpoints found in the Burner community, along with maintaining an extensive blacklist for those with the disruptive opinions.
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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by GreyCoyote » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:40 am

(-rocking with laughter!-)

You are such an asshole, Bri. Dont you EVER change. :mrgreen:
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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by forty_eight » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:32 pm

GreyCoyote wrote:
The spirit of Burning Man does NOT belong to Larry or his ship of fools.
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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by Lonesomebri » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:39 pm

Controversy, what controversy? It's official gang. A sounding defeat for the clowns insisting that there is no problem.

A few questions asked, and maybe a few answered, that is really all the BRCCP ever wanted to begin with. Remember back when asking anything about the for-profit camps would be met with disdain and contempt? Ha, right back at ya, you sell-outs. And now the official BM is validating the BRCCP position, posting those same questions. Can we expect apologies and salutations from those who did not think there were any questions worth asking, and never wanted any answers? Doubtful, they couldn't see an obvious problem, they sure aren't self-aware enough to check themselves.

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November 11th, 2014 | Filed under News
Turnkey Camps: Moving Towards Effective Solutions
Posted by Burning Man
We are aware that many of you are waiting for a response to a number of questions concerning theme camps, turnkey camps, placement of camps, access to tickets, decommodification and a potential erosion of our culture.

These are some of the questions members of our community have raised:

Is the Burning Man organization profiting off turnkey camps?
How did turnkey camps get all their tickets?
Do turnkey camps get preferential treatment?
Were people buying blocks of tickets through the Burning Man Project donation ticket program in the days before the event? If so, why?
Are turnkey camps undermining the practice of Decommodification and Self-Reliance?
What is going to happen to the turnkey camps going forward? Is there accountability for poor behavior?

The importance of these questions requires collaboration and input from a wide variety of people including staff, theme camp leaders, artists, Regional Network leaders, turnkey camp producers, and participants. We are still gathering information and identifying the most effective solutions.

We assure you we are listening and discussing real reforms.
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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by Elderberry » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:36 pm

Interesting that they didn't mention the board member involvement. Maybe that's included in the making profit off the camps question?
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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by forty_eight » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:15 am

I was going to say that the whole Communist thing might just be passe.

I was trying to think of a more current, rabid movement.

But, I don't think audiences are ready for ironic Radical Islam tropes.

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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by Corvus » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:30 am

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Post by chuckularone » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:27 am

Personally I prefer to live in an anarcho-syndicalist commune
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Post by Roberto Dobbisano » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:45 am

we have a purrrrrrpose.
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BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by 666isMONEY » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:25 am

Profit on the Playa

Wasn't sure where to post this. Someone somewhere else said it was against the BLM permit for profit on the playa. This is partly true: any commercial activity has to be reported to BLM and then BLM gets a 3% cut of the profit.
12. Commercial activities are prohibited within BRC, unless specifically authorized in advance by the BLM and BRC. BRC will inform BLM representatives of unauthorized commercial operations discovered at the event and the corrective actions being implemented within a reasonable time of learning about the activities. This includes but is not limited to commercial film production, photography, food services or other independent commercial ventures not affiliated with BRC.

Source: https://www.blm.gov/epl-front-office/pr ... ng_Man.pdf
SPECIAL RECREATION STIPULATIONS FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE VENDORS AT BURNING MAN 2014
In addition to items (a), (b), (c), and (d) and the 13 Terms and Conditions on the back of the permit form (2930-2), the following special stipulations are included as part of this permit.
GENERAL
 1. The permittee is responsible for submitting post-use information to BLM within 30 days after the event. The number of participants per/day and the total gross receipts for vendor sales are required information to be included in the post-use report.
 2. The permittee is responsible for payment of 3% of gross receipts from vendor sales.
Source: https://www.blm.gov/epl-front-office/pr ... ations.pdf
More info from BLM: http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/wfo/blm_ ... ation.html

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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by 666isMONEY » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:25 pm

For good reason, my post above was edited by Trilobite but the question remains: who filed a vendor report for 2014 and paid the 3% commission to BLM?

I looked for an annual report at BLM but could not find any . . . who were the 2014 vendors and how much did they pay BLM? (How much did the 2013 vendors pay?)

Freedom of information act or transparency by bmorg?

I wonder if the org is worried that one of the vendors they should have known about didn't pay the 3% to the BLM?

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Post by GreyCoyote » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:14 pm

A well-crafted FOIA request would allow access to this level of detail. Pay CLOSE attention to how you word the request. If your request is not specific, (or too specific), you wont get the data you want. In dealing with FOIA requests, its always best to issue two, worded slightly differently, about 3 months apart, with a follow-up request a year later. If the info you requested has not been filed due to statutory or contractual loopholes, they wont provide it, which is why you want to stagger the requests.

If you find the BMORG did not pay, and the PNP's didnt pay the BLM tithe, then you can report them via the "Reward For Rats" program. You may be entitled to a portion of the recovered funds. That program has some teeth, but dont expect miracles. The government basically expects to be cheated. And in practice, the promise of a percentage of the recovered revenue is mostly illusory, but it never hurt ls to take a swing at it.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:34 pm

1--Does BLM post its FOIA responses on line? If so, provide a link to any documents--I'm sure there would be interest here.

2--I'm pretty sure that the Proletariat Kitty will replace the Running Dog Lackey, although not Snowball at the Man Burn.
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Re: BRCCP: Black Rock City Communist Party

Post by Lonesomebri » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:00 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:...2--I'm pretty sure that the Proletariat Kitty will replace the Running Dog Lackey, although not Snowball at the Man Burn.

Snowball the dog started out as Scruffy the cat. True story.

As I realized the LEO's eyes on me and my curious cigarette while standing in the smoking ruins of the Man wearing my romper stompers, years back, I realized the best defense was a solid bs offense. Dropping the offending object into the smoldering ashes I turned to the uniforms and asked them if they had seen Scruffy, my cat, which I had left tied to the Man. The one LEO says to the other, "If his cat's here, it's burned up by now!" They laughed and walked on.

The official position of the BRCCP is radically species inclusive.
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