Confessions.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:24 pm

I confess I love your new avatar Tonyt. must resist temptation to list laundry list of ...of never mind.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:32 pm

being the arbiter of everything moral, I stamp your methodology approved.

some of your later rhetoric in the post I need to poke at though.

In my mind this is the perfect model for consumers and artists and I find myself wondering the hows and whys that RIAA are so feverishly objecting to when people like myself seeking out music that they actually like v. the pablum that we're continually having shoved down our throats by over-hyped bands that have nothing to say (or sing).

it sounds wonderous and lovely but as you point out you are not the typical consumer and the RIAA does not give a rats about you as a result. What the RIAA objects to is the fact that sales have seriously slumped and they have a decent case when they point a finger at file swapping. Now, what I think is missing in the equation from their point of view is the quality of the product. Most albums have tons of filler on them. If yer into pop music you might hear a song or two by an artists on the radio. In the old days this was enough for you to go out buy the album. Now you can listen to the album and come to the proper conclusion that while you like those two songs you heard on the radio just fine, the rest of the disc is shit. To wit, many years ago a company called iStation, if memory serves, set up demo systems in large retail outlets in NYC. You could walk up to the kiosk with a disk and a little barcode scanner would identify the product and call it up on a touch screen whereby you could demo the music. The retail people thought this was gonna be a major boon for sales. What they found, to the contrary, was that rather than encouraging sales the kiosks were actually discouraging folks from buying music. After they parsed the sales data and exit interviews and came to this conclusion they ripped those pesky things out of the stores in no time and the developing company went belly-up.

and one last nit=pick

say (or sing

music in no way shape or form requires lyrics. Much of it is absolute; non-representational. The lack of vocals in no way diminishes the art. I often find the opposite to be true though.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:39 pm

music in no way shape or form requires lyrics. Much of it is absolute; non-representational. The lack of vocals in no way diminishes the art. I often find the opposite to be true though.

No argument there. In fact, the four various recording Ambient albums by Brian Eno I count as some of the most interesting and beautiful music that I personally know of.

BTW, the only music I've ever burnt to CD that wasn't mine was about 100 copies of a new (at the time) Metallica album which we slipped under the wiper blades of cars in the stadium parking lot where they were playing a concert a while back.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:42 pm

Ambient albums by Brian Eno I count as some of the most interesting and beautiful music that I personally know of.

ever hear 'the pearl' with harold budd?

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:48 pm

I confess that the next time you pull that stunt again Badg... count me in. I'd be proud to help out with that.

I know I have mentioned this before on these forums but what the hell. I'm a musician and all of that shit is just great about whining and sniveling about downloading songs. But Think about Benjamin Franklin for a moment and what do you think of?

The man responsible for one of our country's most respected institutions, the library. I don't hear any authors whining about everyone reading their books for free.

The musicians that are broke are the ones who are hurt most by downloading music illegally.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:49 pm

ever hear 'the pearl' with harold budd?

Yep. Got it. An Echo of Night off that album is great for going to sleep with. Or fucking.

I have pretty much every album that brian Eno has ever recorded or produced - including some of the more obscure stuff such as the box sets that're no longer available.

Have also seen him more than a few times in the bay area lecturing.

Believe the hype. The guy's a genius and a Renaissance man in every way.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:54 pm

I had the great pleasure of meeting him when he came to work to talk about the creative process. The looks on all the MBA types as Eno talked about the benefits of using the i-ching in a production pipeline were absofuckingpriceless. Super nice, super genius. Depressing as most in the audience did not have a clue as to who he fucking was. Same thing happened when Thomas Dolby came to hock a piece of software he was invested in.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:56 pm

I had the great pleasure of meeting him when he came to work to talk about the creative process.

That wasn't the one a while back that had Laurie Anderson (also GREAT) and Spike Lee (dismal and self-absorbed) was it? Here in SF?

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:59 pm

nope, we used to have a monthly guest lecture series back when folks like minsky still worked here. Eno came alone and spoke for around an hour. I did also met Ms. Anderson but she was not nearly as swell as the other two folks I mentioned previously. She came with a startlingly large entourage and wanted to swap show tech with us.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:32 pm

Hmm, good point tony about the libraries.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:36 am

Isotopia wrote: Because my tastes tend to run somewhat off the mark of popular Top 40 shite the chances of me hearing any of these tracks is usually non-existent. I'm not inclined to fork out $18 for a CD on the vague recommendations of critics or reviewers as I've been burned TOO many times.

I've never had the tech to download and I don't listen to music recorded after the 80s unless I stumble into it by accident or it's by a beloved band for much the same reason. Not that I don't think stuart doesn't have a point too.

'Cuse me, I see a nice fence to plant my but on.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:07 pm

libraries

buy books from authors (artists)
libraries do not allow you to leave with a xeroxed copy of a book. Bad analogy.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:27 pm

hmmm, good point stuart about the libraries.

I am noticing that the quality of the songs I'm downloading isn't that great, so if I end up liking the music i'll find a copy to buy.

got more room on the fence fishy?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:34 pm

Personally, I'm looking for a wall rather than this white picket number. More comfortable on the butt.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:36 pm

good for you ST

If I hear one more person tell me that MP3s sound just as good as uncompressed audio I will fart loudly at them.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:36 pm

yes, but there's a certain stability to having your ass impaled on a picket.

my ANUS is BLEEDING!

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:51 pm

doubling YOUR pleasure I see.

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:53 pm

I confess to know nothing about sound quality, except for what I think sounds good...

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:21 pm

stuart wrote:
libraries
buy books from authors (artists)
libraries do not allow you to leave with a xeroxed copy of a book. Bad analogy.

Yes, but you are allowed to check them out freely. If it is any good then you can go buy it, if not you've lost nothing.

My problem is that the record companies market so much shit out there on the strength of one song it's no wonder no one wants to risk buying it. I have been burned so many times I'm sick of it myself.

Bad analogy or not, it was one of the richest pig bands in the world to start the entire parade.

Anyway, the record companies are glad you are in their corner Stuart.

For your information I pay for all of my downloads.

What's your opinion on open source?

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:24 pm

stuart wrote:
libraries
buy books from authors (artists)
libraries do not allow you to leave with a xeroxed copy of a book. Bad analogy.

And actually you are dead on. They allow you to leave with a perfect copy. Not some digitally compressed half assed replication.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:27 pm

stuart wrote:good for you ST

If I hear one more person tell me that MP3s sound just as good as uncompressed audio I will fart loudly at them.

At what Kbps?

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:44 pm

Anyway, the record companies are glad you are in their corner Stuart.

I am not in the record companies corner. Bleh. I am in the recording artists corner. They get ~2 bucks per unit sold for albums.

What's your opinion on open source?

not relevant to music piracy

They allow you to leave with a perfect copy.

and request kindly that you return it in a reasonable time period. Otherwise, they ding you.

At what Kbps?

any

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:37 pm

I confess that i've been seconds away from putting on the Icicle Bitch costume today, multiple times, and that I've managed to refrain each time. The costume sits safely in the closet, for now...

Donita · Post by **Donita** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:32 am

Catching up...

Quote wrote:"Pet ownership is an abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation." --Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA

I confess my cat Oliver loves me beyond belief and wants to scratch this person's eyes out. Down, Oliver, DOWN!!

Quote wrote:"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship they should seek it with their own kind." --Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA

Note to self: Go to Goldies Adult Bookstore downtown and buy myself a new toy.

Post by **AntiM** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:00 pm

I confess the hyperbole PETA dishes out annoys the crap outta me, obliterating any valid arguements they might ever present.

I confess my cats would be mere roadkill if not rescued from the street and lovingly hand-raised.

I confess I pamper the crap out of Oide and Harry ButtLicker.

I confess I ate dead baked bird for lunch and shared it with my cat-boys. Furthermore, we confess it was delicious.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:40 pm

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

I confess I still like the old saying ... if we weren't ment to eat animals, what are they made of meat?

So it is okay for an eagle to eat meat. Fine for a jaguar or leopard or bear or a venus flytrap to eat meat ... but it is evil for a human to eat meat? Of course humans became so successful BECAUSE they ate meat. Not in spite of it as some would lead you to believe. Imagine living in Norway in 1200AD in winter with no meat. What the hell else were you going to eat? Veganism is fine if you have this huge support infrastructure that provides you with a year-round supply of fresh veggies from all over the world and energy to can or freeze them ... but it isnt sustainable in most climates without that infrastructure.

I say veganism causes air pollution and global warming from all the fossil fuel energy it takes to support that lifestyle. We should be eating pickled free-range prarie dogs!

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:44 pm

I confess we stayed up way too late last night and had way too much to drink. It was fun, though. We were totally overdressed for the place we went to and everyone seemed to love it! K in her evening dress and I in my suit were a big hit.

PurpleKoosh · Post by **PurpleKoosh** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:21 pm

I confess I've been awake and out of bed for six hours and haven't had more to eat than a handful of potato chips.

I confess this has become rather typical of my eating habits.

Donita · Post by **Donita** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:32 pm

geekster wrote:People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

I confess I still like the old saying ... if we weren't ment to eat animals, why are they made of meat?

I confess I am thinking about making another thread for this topic. Hmmm....Vegan Cafe?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:00 pm

Donita wrote: I confess I am thinking about making another thread for this topic. Hmmm....Vegan Cafe?

I cofess I'd like to see ya do it.

something about vegi dishes cause I confess I dont really know any.
Good dishes anyway.