Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night....II

[tatonka]

[ygmir]

this is interesting.......http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/ ... story.html

[Simon of the Playa]

lets save the fight for after the holidays.


for the kids.

[The Rod]

Yeah because justifications for oppression and institutionalized violence are "interesting".


Bitch, please. Civil resistance isn't supposed to be legal. Like "oh look, they're not following the rules! Blast 'em!". Yeah, we get it: the guys with the big guns are in charge and you better do what they say.



Fuck this shit.


All of it.

[Simon of the Playa]

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[Dr. Pyro]

I've been pretty bewildered by the response I've seen not only on this forum, but the 3Playa and Facebook and other forms of social media with regards to the outcome of the election. Now was Trump my choice? No. But the day before the election the Dow Jones Industrial Average (full disclosure: I'm a stockbroker) opened at 17999.64. Currently the Dow is at a record high of 19222.65, an increase of 1223 points, a full 6.79%. One of the most resilient post-election rallies in history. CNN, MSNBC, and all the rest of the "liberal media" said the Market would crash the day after the election (I had a client calling me at 4:15 a.m. to sell, but when I arrived at 6:40 and told him the Market was up 300 points, he couldn't understand it but thanked me for my calming influence) but that didn't happen of course. The DJIA is one of the best indicators of the pulse of the nation, whether positive or negative. This all bodes well for everyone. So at least for a while, let's put on our big boy pants and recognize that the sky is not falling, people will not be rounded up and herded off to concentration camps like FDR did, and that just maybe everything will be all right. From my perch and it's perspective, America looks like a pretty wonderful place.

[forty_eight]

The DJIA is one of the best indicators of the pulse of the nation, whether positive or negative.

How so?

I know it's conventional wisdom, but how exactly do you think that resolves in the real world?

Trump voters seem particularly weary of the stock market and Wall St, in general.

Same for Bernie voters, probably even lots of Hillary voters.

And, we don't hear a lot of celebration for the job Obama has done vis a vis historic highs of DIJA.

So, if it is such a bellwether of the life and times of these United States, why does Wall St. and the DIJA make people so suspicious and anxious?

[Dr. Pyro]

So, if it is such a bellwether of the life and times of these United States, why does Wall St. and the DIJA make people so suspicious and anxious?

Because the Occupy Wall Street people don't have nor do they want jobs so they're suspicious of anybody who's a success. And certainly if it weren't for the Republican Congress pulling the reins in on the out-of-control spending that we saw in 2010 through 2013 things would be a lot worse than now. Certainly Obama had nothing to do with it, that's for sure.

[forty_eight]

OWS?

That's just a distraction from the point,

Trump used the mistrust of Wall St by everyday, blue collar Americans to rally them to vote.

So, it's not just OWS.

Trump promises to spend big on infrastructure and cut taxes.

How will that not lead to a bigger deficit and worse economic fundamentals?

[FIGJAM]

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[ACfromSAC]

Disclosure: I didn't vote for either Trump or Hillary. Bernie was my guy. I was slightly happier that Trump won than I would've been if Hillary had won.

My 401k and stock portfolio are thrilled about Trump's election for sure. I'm not worried about a Trump presidency on account of the economics of it. On the contrary, I think he'll be a much better performing president than Hillary would've been in terms of jobs and economic prosperity due to his willingness to deregulate so broadly. I'm more worried about his energy and social policies. His cabinet appointments have done nothing to calm my worries.

[Dr. Pyro]

There are about 1000 families in Indiana, thanks to Carrier Air Conditioners and the intervention of President-elect Trump, who are breathing a lot easier this Christmas season. How come I can't recall a single instance of President Obama actually stepping in and saving American jobs, at least temporarily?

[ACfromSAC]

Auto industry?

[Sham]

So much of this is spin. We had a governor in MA who gave large tax breaks to GE to keep them from leaving the area. The critics were dwelling on the fact that he gave GE millions in tax dollars (to a huge company) and never spoke of the thousands of jobs saved.

[forty_eight]

There are about 1000 families in Indiana, thanks to Carrier Air Conditioners and the intervention of President-elect Trump, who are breathing a lot easier this Christmas season. How come I can't recall a single instance of President Obama actually stepping in and saving American jobs, at least temporarily?

Because he believes in free market Capitalism?

Let's wait and see which other companies threaten to leave so they can get bribes financed off the back of Joe Q. Public.

Good theater, though!

[lucky420]

There are about 1000 families in Indiana, thanks to Carrier Air Conditioners and the intervention of President-elect Trump, who are breathing a lot easier this Christmas season. How come I can't recall a single instance of President Obama actually stepping in and saving American jobs, at least temporarily?

Hahahaha because of a big fucking corporate tax break. Who the fuck pays taxes when corpôrations don't?

So yeah good for the 1000 employees of Carrier, the rest of us not so much. Instead of fining Carrier if they moved their plant out of the country (as he said he would in his campaign promises) he gave them a big ol handy.

Who pays those taxes that corporations don't? Oh yeah that's right, we do.

[lucky420]

There are about 1000 families in Indiana, thanks to Carrier Air Conditioners and the intervention of President-elect Trump, who are breathing a lot easier this Christmas season. How come I can't recall a single instance of President Obama actually stepping in and saving American jobs, at least temporarily?

Because he believes in free market Capitalism?

Let's wait and see which other companies threaten to leave so they can get bribes financed off the back of Joe Q. Public.

Good theater, though!

Tragic comedy

[forty_eight]

Auto industry?

I blew right past this, but this is the actual answer.

But, it was millions of jobs saved.

I work in automotive, and my conservative bosses (personal pictures with GW type of folks) were telling us to write Congress and beg for the bailout.

I felt compelled to reply with the basics of Creative Destruction and why it wasn't good business to bail out businesses who had failed on their own merits. It was answered with a brush off that "yeah, but think of the ripple effect."

So, abandon all the Economics we all learned about, and bail them out. OK?

All in all, it cost taxpayers more than $11bn.

How many billions are we prepared to spend for this economic nationalism?

Talk about Big Government, sheeesh.

[forty_eight]

Tragic comedy

too true

[171/348]

How quickly they forget!!!!
Yes, the damn auto industry... Sheesh!!
AND he managed to save the industry by giving millions of regular people a huge chunk of change to go out and buy a new car.
So yeah, the donald did great for those 1000 people... This week. Although, even they are going to have to help pick up that 7 million dollar tax burden that was just levied on the regular folks to give a corporation a tax break for moving 800 jobs to Mexico.
And as for the costs, again, ton of money went to average Americans. Go back another president to the bank bailouts... the cost was ten times more than what saving the auto industry cost American tax payers and where did ALL of that money go?

[The Rod]

Wait a minute...

What are y'all arguing about again?

[ygmir]

Wait a minute...

What are y'all arguing about again?

3Stooges vs Marx Brothers.

[Ratty]

Every morning before the election I ran to the computer to read the bizarre election news. Now all I'm getting is speculation and bitterness. Wait a darn minute. Same, same. No mismo.

[some seeing eye]

Brick in the wall or crack in the wall?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/s ... ism-232139.
Now about those Trump hotels in DC and overseas...

[Aurelia]

Please stick to pink Floyd not Palin

[helitack]

Whilst on a short patrol this morning along the Rio Grande, a visitor asked me "where is the wall going to go?" and then laughed. They must have thought I was like the vast majority of my easily offended, special snowflake, always entitled, politically overcorrect, needs safe spaces/trigger warnings, co-workers. When I responded by pointing to the ground along the river and said, "right along here", they got a look on their faces like I had just shot their dog.

So everyone have a Lone Star on their behalf.

[ygmir]

Whilst on a short patrol this morning along the Rio Grande, a visitor asked me "where is the wall going to go?" and then laughed. They must have thought I was like the vast majority of my easily offended, special snowflake, always entitled, politically overcorrect, needs safe spaces/trigger warnings, co-workers. When I responded by pointing to the ground along the river and said, "right along here", they got a look on their faces like I had just shot their dog.

So everyone have a Lone Star on their behalf.

proud to know you.

[The Rod]

So... how many dogs have you shot then?

[forty_eight]

Make America's Government Astronomical

#MAGA
#buildthatwaste

[Aurelia]

Naturally!