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Post by Elderberry » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:54 pm

cowboyangel wrote:and Benjamin keeps building illegal settlements. Tough talk mr Obama, with no balls to go up against the Israeli lobby will ring true for what it is...pure unadulterated cowardice. How long can you go on fooling the American public with rhetoric Mr Obama, when great deeds are what's required?
I can't say that I don't agree with you; though at this point I'm all right with giving him a pass on some of these things. (With the assumption that he will get to these thing in time and assuming also that many of the things he promised will only be partially achieved because of the necessity to compromise.)

Don't forget, I'm someone with a horse in this race too. He hasn't done a thing he promised for gay marriage, doma, don't ask, don't tell; all of which effect me personally.

But, compared to the last 8 years, I'm happy as a pig in shit with him.

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Post by ygmir » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:03 am

jkisha wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:and Benjamin keeps building illegal settlements. Tough talk mr Obama, with no balls to go up against the Israeli lobby will ring true for what it is...pure unadulterated cowardice. How long can you go on fooling the American public with rhetoric Mr Obama, when great deeds are what's required?
I can't say that I don't agree with you; though at this point I'm all right with giving him a pass on some of these things. (With the assumption that he will get to these thing in time and assuming also that many of the things he promised will only be partially achieved because of the necessity to compromise.)

Don't forget, I'm someone with a horse in this race too. He hasn't done a thing he promised for gay marriage, doma, don't ask, don't tell; all of which effect me personally.

But, compared to the last 8 years, I'm happy as a pig in shit with him.

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well said, JK:

one of the things about all politicians, that really bugs me, highlighted in red above: Not just the messiah, but, all of 'em:

why the heck promise something you know you'll not do, or be able to do?.......they make all these great promises, knowing full well they'll not happen, and, people somehow think they will? or, know they won't but just like to hear a candidate say it?

I'd sure like to see someone "call it like it is"...........

Candidate:

"well, I'd like to see this happen, but, unless congress and I can agree, which is unlikely, it probably won't".............

Just sort of a thorn to me..........
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:55 am

jkisha wrote: I can't say that I don't agree with you...
That's his copy-and-paste that you're not agreeing with, BTW. ;)

I think that Obama is wise to hold his gay liberation card close to his chest during his second 100 days. He saw what happened when Clinton made that his 1st priority. Obama is earning points that he can cash in later.

Whether he made some sort of deal with the Jewish lobby is in question; he's canny enough not to chide Israel like this without preparation.

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Post by Elderberry » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:34 pm

ygmir wrote:
well said, JK:

one of the things about all politicians, that really bugs me, highlighted in red above: Not just the messiah, but, all of 'em:

why the heck promise something you know you'll not do, or be able to do?.......they make all these great promises, knowing full well they'll not happen, and, people somehow think they will? or, know they won't but just like to hear a candidate say it?

I'd sure like to see someone "call it like it is"...........

Candidate:

"well, I'd like to see this happen, but, unless congress and I can agree, which is unlikely, it probably won't".............

Just sort of a thorn to me..........
It's called "Democracy", and it actually makes sense if you think about how much you have to push on the pendulum to get it to move. I think they need to promise all that they would like to achieve. To promise less is to certainly fail in achieving anything at all.

I think the intelligent portion of the electorate realize this and the rest just latch on to candidates promises at face value.

At the risk of being chastised for blindly following Obama again; I'm going to say that I think this man has been more honest and open in what he is doing than any other president in my 60+ years of recollection. That's not to say he is perfect, or that he has not done things that I don't totally agree with; but he has not done anything that, even if I don't agree with, I can't reconcile.

It's hard to judge a President on a day to day basis; but when all is said and done, I don't think I will be very disappointed in what he achieves or where he takes our country. (Especially considering what the alternative could have been.)

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Post by Elderberry » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:41 pm

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jkisha wrote: I can't say that I don't agree with you...
That's his copy-and-paste that you're not agreeing with, BTW. ;)

I think that Obama is wise to hold his gay liberation card close to his chest during his second 100 days. He saw what happened when Clinton made that his 1st priority. Obama is earning points that he can cash in later.

Whether he made some sort of deal with the Jewish lobby is in question; he's canny enough not to chide Israel like this without preparation.
I thought I was agreeing with him. (I CAN'T say that I DON'T) which I think means that I do, no?

Regarding the Jewish lobby--my 'opinion' is that he has not made any side deal with the Jewish lobby. In his speech to the Muslim world, he SPECIFICALLY said that there would not be any behind the scenes promises like this.

I think he just has the balls to not only realize, but to say openly that the Israelis are as culpable in this as the Palestinians and that he's not going to put up with crap from either side. Something they both needed to hear for a long time.

The short term cost of this will be small if he is able to achieve some sort of peace deal between the two 'states'. ;)

But we'll see. Frankly I was a bit concerned when Rahm Emanuel was appointed as his chief of staff because of his ties to Israel, but I'm not so worried any more.

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Post by ygmir » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:56 pm

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote:
well said, JK:

one of the things about all politicians, that really bugs me, highlighted in red above: Not just the messiah, but, all of 'em:

why the heck promise something you know you'll not do, or be able to do?.......they make all these great promises, knowing full well they'll not happen, and, people somehow think they will? or, know they won't but just like to hear a candidate say it?

I'd sure like to see someone "call it like it is"...........

Candidate:

"well, I'd like to see this happen, but, unless congress and I can agree, which is unlikely, it probably won't".............

Just sort of a thorn to me..........
It's called "Democracy", and it actually makes sense if you think about how much you have to push on the pendulum to get it to move. I think they need to promise all that they would like to achieve. To promise less is to certainly fail in achieving anything at all.

I think the intelligent portion of the electorate realize this and the rest just latch on to candidates promises at face value.

At the risk of being chastised for blindly following Obama again; I'm going to say that I think this man has been more honest and open in what he is doing than any other president in my 60+ years of recollection. That's not to say he is perfect, or that he has not done things that I don't totally agree with; but he has not done anything that, even if I don't agree with, I can't reconcile.

It's hard to judge a President on a day to day basis; but when all is said and done, I don't think I will be very disappointed in what he achieves or where he takes our country. (Especially considering what the alternative could have been.)

JK
I'd submit you use "Democracy" way out of context there.............

It may make sense to promise something you have no idea of delivering on, and/or can't fulfill, but, I don't like it.........

I'd still rather an honest statement, like I illustrated.
I'd rather a promise that has a good chance of reality, even though it be less.......than the hyperbole that now takes place.

That's part of the problem, IMHO:
both sides want to push farther than necessary, in order to achieve a "middle ground". I'd sure like to see them stake said middle ground and shoot for that.......I bet it's closer together than either want to admit.

you say it's hard to judge a president on a day to day basis.........well, chuckle, you were quite willing with the last one........... :roll:

I'm not saying don't do it, just suggesting using the same criteria and methodology for judgment...........
you have, to your credit, eluded to your myopic view when it comes to the messiah and what he does.
good on you for your honesty.
And, as I have stated, that, even though I didn't support him, I hope he does a really good job. We need a good job done there, not just the usual "reach around"..........or cigar party, as the case may be........... :wink:

hard to say, IMHO, what the alternative candidate would have done or achieved...........since, he's not the prez. Wild speculation, at best, IMHO, as to what would have happened............

makes if fun, though.........
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Post by Elderberry » Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:04 pm

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you say it's hard to judge a president on a day to day basis.........well, chuckle, you were quite willing with the last one........... :roll:
OK, you got me on that one. I'll just say then that Obama is doing a good job; period.

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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:35 pm

Yes. A good job enabling big secretive banking to continue on as usual with trillions in junk derivatives in their skeleton closets. enabling extraordinary rendition (we won't torture them but we'll let others more brutal and vicious do it for us), credit card reform? Forget the heart of the legislation, rate reductions, and let the vampires suck out more of the working people. Enable youthful auto bankruptcy czars to funnel union pensions to the big banks to cover their loan loses even as that's illegal. Enable Israel to continue to wage its daily war of genocide against Palestinians, even as you speak words of phony nobility over holocaust sites in Europe. Yes, a good job ensuring the Bush agenda of endless war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Wake up sleeping ones, wake up your pretty little heads and realize the one who sugar coats his words is selling you lies that do not want to die. Ever.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:09 pm

Fuck Obama

why can't he fix everything everywhere right now!

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Post by can't sit still » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:39 pm

Well, he did mention on the campaign trail that he doesn't know anything about economics. That might account for his total fucking lunacy in economic policy as the world goes into economic free fall. His solution was to put the people who caused the crash,,, in charge of fixing the crash. It's called incompetence. :lol:
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:57 pm

So do you think I should have voted for McCain?

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Post by can't sit still » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:22 pm

HO HO HO !!! I would never imply that McCain was competent either. Given McCains military background, I believe that Obama is less likely to get us into WW III. To reduce the deficit, the Pres will have to severely reduce military expenditures or severely reduce domestic expenditures. I believe that McCain would favor the military and Obama would favor the domestic front. McCain would have to produce a war to justify his actions.
We can't have a war unless China pays for it. Russia is too dangerous to pick a fight with. That pretty much leaves the Middle-East. Even though Bush wants a war with Venezuela, that could be executed for $ 29.99. It wouldn't be a good excuse to pour trillions into the offense industries. :D
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Post by ygmir » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:40 pm

can't sit still wrote:HO HO HO !!! I would never imply that McCain was competent either. Given McCains military background, I believe that Obama is less likely to get us into WW III. To reduce the deficit, the Pres will have to severely reduce military expenditures or severely reduce domestic expenditures. I believe that McCain would favor the military and Obama would favor the domestic front. McCain would have to produce a war to justify his actions.
We can't have a war unless China pays for it. Russia is too dangerous to pick a fight with. That pretty much leaves the Middle-East. Even though Bush wants a war with Venezuela, that could be executed for $ 29.99. It wouldn't be a good excuse to pour trillions into the offense industries. :D
I supported neither.

But, it's interesting what you say about WWIII:

IMHO, the military background might be just what would keep us out of it. Again, IMHO, naivete and inexperience are more likely to get us into something like that. The experienced military, for right or wrong, would probably pick a fight that is winnable, or, at least not losable.......

I'm not saying I support that, but, that's one way to look at it.

I agree mccain would have used another, or escalating, war to move money.

is not the "social/domestic" segment of the budget much larger than the military? And, you can't completely gut the military. so, you take as much as you can from each.

If I had to choose between two methods of flushing trillions down a drain:

one being the military industrial complex, with it's "average joe" factory workers, engineers, military families, and all ancillary industry, they employ average taxpayers.......


or

the ivory tower bankers and lawyers.

well,
between them, I know where I'd choose.
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Post by cowboyangel » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:43 pm

Defense spending IS the ultimate currency reserve.
Obama will wait till every American city is like Watts in the 60's. Wait and see. The fools are playing with the dragons tail.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:05 pm

can't sit still wrote:HO HO HO !!! I would never imply that McCain was competent either. Given McCains military background, I believe that Obama is less likely to get us into WW III. To reduce the deficit, the Pres will have to severely reduce military expenditures or severely reduce domestic expenditures. I believe that McCain would favor the military and Obama would favor the domestic front. McCain would have to produce a war to justify his actions.
We can't have a war unless China pays for it. Russia is too dangerous to pick a fight with. That pretty much leaves the Middle-East. Even though Bush wants a war with Venezuela, that could be executed for $ 29.99. It wouldn't be a good excuse to pour trillions into the offense industries. :D
Phew, Oh good, for a second there I thought I had voted for the wrong guy

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Post by ygmir » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:18 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
can't sit still wrote:HO HO HO !!! I would never imply that McCain was competent either. Given McCains military background, I believe that Obama is less likely to get us into WW III. To reduce the deficit, the Pres will have to severely reduce military expenditures or severely reduce domestic expenditures. I believe that McCain would favor the military and Obama would favor the domestic front. McCain would have to produce a war to justify his actions.
We can't have a war unless China pays for it. Russia is too dangerous to pick a fight with. That pretty much leaves the Middle-East. Even though Bush wants a war with Venezuela, that could be executed for $ 29.99. It wouldn't be a good excuse to pour trillions into the offense industries. :D
Phew, Oh good, for a second there I thought I had voted for the wrong guy
who says you didn't?
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Post by Elderberry » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:06 am

can't sit still wrote:Well, he did mention on the campaign trail that he doesn't know anything about economics.
That is NOT correct. It was McCain that said he didn't know anything about economics. At least get the facts right that can easily be verified.

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Post by Elderberry » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:08 am

I often wonder what alternate universe some of you are living in.

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Post by can't sit still » Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:15 am

It's not an alternate universe. It's the effort that it takes to remember and correlate <40> hours a week of reading. McCain said that he doesn't know anything about economics. Obama, on the other hand has never run a business. He has now proven that he doesn't know anything about economics. This is also true for the vast majority of economists so he's not alone. Obama is going to ride his Keynesian horse right off the cliff. and, WE are in his saddlebags. :mrgreen:
Yes, you're correct, bad quote.
You may find this article very informative;
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/maybu ... 52509.html
It talks about the different economic schools of thought. It postulates that Obama is getting advice from advisors who represent different schools and that this is causing confusion.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:37 pm

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Post by cowboyangel » Sun Jun 07, 2009 4:38 pm

This may shed some more light on whose economics Obama is tied to:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=13738

I was kind of up in the air about the Bilderbergers until I read how they treated this Guardian reporter and story he came away with.

Some very peculiar and thought provoking statements appear here, read on.....

The Guardian Covers Bilderberg



The British paper, the Guardian, was the only major mainstream news publication to provide ongoing coverage of the Bilderberg meeting over the weekend. His first columns were satirical and slightly mocking, referring to it as, “A long weekend at a luxury hotel, where the world's elite get to shake hands, clink glasses, fine-tune their global agenda and squabble over who gets the best sun loungers. I'm guessing that Henry Kissinger brings his own, has it helicoptered in and guarded 24/7 by a CIA special ops team.â€
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Post by Elderberry » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:31 pm

What ever happened to the days when they were just referred to as "The Movers and the Shakers"? instead of trying to turn them into some sort of conspiracy theory.

You guys have too much time and not enough money in your hands. Stay off the internet before you go completely insane.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:24 pm

Ultimatum to the rich:

Either spend it or we’ll tax it from you!

Too much money stored in the hands of the rich suck from the life of the working class.

After reading the attendees, I do have to say there were a lot of people that aren't wealthy at all. I mean Prodi. He's a democratic socialist like me. Enforced security. Well this is the age of terrorism and we have here a lot politicians and notibles. real targets.

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Post by cowboyangel » Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:18 pm

jkisha wrote:What ever happened to the days when they were just referred to as "The Movers and the Shakers"? instead of trying to turn them into some sort of conspiracy theory.

You guys have too much time and not enough money in your hands. Stay off the internet before you go completely insane.

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yeah, the old pejorative "conspiracy theory", as if fucking governments don't do it. The meeting happened. High level government, finance and royalty attended. That's a fact. You mean you don't have the slightest interest in what then were talking about or that the meeting was conducted in such anti-democratic secrecy? Wake up dude. Get your head out of the sand and stop watching so much television, because it's apparent that that's where you get a lot of your information from.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:20 pm

This is long and has 2 1/4 million views;

Y'all might learn something.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:55 am

just as I thought. Willy Nelson and Jesse Ventura are behind it all!

Damn Pot Smokers


and yes its a long file, but i love the conspiracy plot theories.

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Post by Elderberry » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:23 pm

cowboyangel wrote:
jkisha wrote:What ever happened to the days when they were just referred to as "The Movers and the Shakers"? instead of trying to turn them into some sort of conspiracy theory.

You guys have too much time and not enough money in your hands. Stay off the internet before you go completely insane.

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yeah, the old pejorative "conspiracy theory", as if fucking governments don't do it. The meeting happened. High level government, finance and royalty attended. That's a fact. You mean you don't have the slightest interest in what then were talking about or that the meeting was conducted in such anti-democratic secrecy? Wake up dude. Get your head out of the sand and stop watching so much television, because it's apparent that that's where you get a lot of your information from.
The meeting always happens...for years now. The guy was a reporter that was being kept out of a meeting that is for invitees only. He would have been treated the same way had he been trying to crash an invitation only party given by any celebrity. But that wouldn't be fodder for you conspiracy theorists. I'd rather get my news from TV than from all those kook conspiracy blogs you spend way too much time reading.

As much as it matters, I subscribe and read over 240 RSS feeds from LEGITIMATE sources. Take a minute to read what Stars and Stripes says about the meeting. (Oh, can't trust the Army either--they are the government--the enemy. I forgot, they are part of the conspiracy.:roll:)

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:16 pm

It is futile to stop them.

Number one has always been in control


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They have discovered our plan and know too much.

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Post by cowboyangel » Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:55 pm

Kisha, you don't read man, the cops sought out the guardian reporter.
The Greek Navy accosted a boat about a mile off shore from the site. Sure they meet every year, does mean we should ask the question as to what they're up to only once for all the years they meet?
Global Research has won awards and is growing by 1000 readers each day. I would call that a healthy site with interesting information, not found in most other places. Are you happy with the economy? How much do you know about derivatives or the way the Fed works? Aren't you a bit interested?

Why do you find our topic so interesting? If you came back with counter arguments you may yourself be a bit more interesting than with standard crap put downs and dismissives.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:40 pm

So you are saying that Obama has been GROOMED for the presidency.

That's a load of shit!

I'm still listening to the video, but I have work to do, but i'm hearing innuendos and associations. I am not hearing positive proof!
I do notice that some of the people on it are just plain lying from reading their body language.

I will still read anything you wish to post but we need proof from someone that seems to be more theatrical then news worthy.

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