HOW CHICKENSHIT IS JOHN McCAIN?

[lurker]

They call it a political "campaign" because it's like fighting a war. You don't suspend it unless you have your hand on a white towel. Another strategic blunder on his part.

Sometimes you stop fighting because the enemy can't hurt you anymore. Know what I mean? You're confident that they no longer can do anything to threaten you.

Do you make any sense even to yourself????????????????????

I'm done with you on this.

And no, jkisha, I don't make sense to myself--why do you think I'm babbling here.

And I gotta know--did you stamp your foot when you wrote 'I'm done with you on this.'? And, if so, was it in a perfumed, silken slipper? Because that's the image I got. Weird, huh? It was like I saw you, face all screwed up, pouting, saying 'hmmph, lurker pointed out the inconsistency in my thinking--in a way that makes my brain hurt to read---meany!' >stamp< 'I'm done with you on this!'

Crazy, huh? And I still get this image of you pouting, chubby cheeks all red....curiouser and curiouser.

Maybe I need to eat something.....

[Ugly Dougly]

I just got it. It's a "trial balloon".

They want to see if they can get away with suspending the election for an emergency.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

This may be the only time I will defend McCain. I was a grunt in Vietnam and we were flown into the jungles in helicopters (combat assaults they were called). Let me tell you, it was pretty scary coming in and the pilots were in as much jeopardy as were the troops they were carrying. At least when you were on the ground you could find cover.

Additionally, it is my understanding that McCain could have been released earlier but asked if everyone would be released; upon the answer being no, he decided to stay as a prisoner with his men.

Helicopters yes, but a bomber not that much. The Vietnams didn't have an airforce to speak of. Anti-jet canons was what they shot down McCAin with.

As far as what I know, and I make this point about McCain stubbornness to change, is that all that he had to do to stop his torture was to denounce America's war effort. A simple act.

Soldiers today are told to do so if they fear that they may be tortured as long as no secrets are given out.

Where Will McCains stubbornness lead America into. another war perhaps like his position on the recent Russia/ Georgia war. We might have been involved in that war to this moment.

the Jungle is by far more dangerous, then 10,000 feet in the air as any sniper would know. You do! Yes, if you're not the first one shot you can jump into a bush. Hopefully another sniper isn't behind you.

AIIZ

[ZaphodBurner]

"We know he didn't do it because he's afraid because Sen. McCain wanted more debates," [Bill] Clinton said, adding that he was "encouraged" by the joint statement from McCain and Sen. Barack Obama.

"You can put it off a few days the problem is it's hard to reschedule those things," Clinton said, "I presume he did that in good faith since I know he wanted -- I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country and so I don't think we ought to overly parse that."

In other breaking news, a politician used the word "parse" in a sentence...

[Eric]

And, y'know, I feel a lot better if the person who's gonna be handling this financial crisis as the next president takes, I dunno, an interest? Y'know?

You mean someone like a candidate who actually called his associates on the Senate & House banking committees when the problem broke, not just yesterday? A candidate who has been speaking about this coming (and now here) problem for, oh, say the last 18 month at least, and the one who has kept the same position the entire time, not one who suddenly changed their record of the past 25 years as being a strong deregulator, and who spent the week flailing around for a position like someone having a seizure?

And honestly, a president doesn't get to just deal with one thing at a time. If McCain is unable to hold a debate while the committees that HE DOESN"T SIT ON work this out, I certainly don't want him in the Oval Office when he really does need to make a well reasoned decision.

Just saying......

[Apollonaris Zeus]

and very well said!

[ygmir]

I just got it. It's a "trial balloon".

They want to see if they can get away with suspending the election for an emergency.

I gotta say, UD, you have some great conspiracy ideas.
I have friends on the left and right that are way into all sorts of conspiracies, both as convinced of the ultra-capabilities of the "others" to pull these far fetched, super complicated, schemes off.......and for us all to just fall in line, or, not notice at all.

I find a lot of them plausible, don't get me wrong.

I just like a lot of yours, since, they come from the "left", IMHO, and, it seems that side lacks somewhat in sheer volume of conspiracy nuts.......

Of course, I can easily be wrong about that last part.......it's just my perception.

One problem I see with most of the conspiracy theories is, that, it requires some pretty darn brilliant people, and usually a lot of them, combined with very good secret keeping ( prodigious use of the "cone of silence", I'm sure), as well as bottomless budgets.

That's what usually throws me off, but, I do love the mental challenge of thinking of them.........

anyway, just thought I'd acknowledge your innovative thinking......

[moesy]

I received this in my emailbox today I have not confirmed accuracy....

"With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing Federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually critical election year. "

"Let's look at the educational background of the candidates and see what they bring to the job: "


Obama:
Occidental College - Two years.
Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude


Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)


vs.


McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899 (meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class)

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

"Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most influential nation in the world? "

[ygmir]

I received this in my emailbox today I have not confirmed accuracy....

"With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing Federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually critical election year. "

"Let's look at the educational background of the candidates and see what they bring to the job: "


Obama:
Occidental College - Two years.
Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude


Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)


vs.


McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899 (meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class)

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

"Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most influential nation in the world? "

Wow,
insightful and informative.........

Now,
I finally know who to vote for, and, why.........

[lurker]

Eric, there's a difference between 'talking' and 'doing'.

As I pointed out to jkisha, Bush gets excoriated for NOT rushing back to DC to deal with the crisis on 9/11. McCain gets excoriated FOR rushing back to DC to deal with the crisis. Obama gets lauded for saying 'call me if you need me'.

Like I said before, you guys have to make up your minds.

Either Bush was right to do what he did because, as Obama says, a President has to be able to multi-task, or Bush was wsrong to do what he did because a great crisis was hitting the nation.

And if Bush was wrong, then Obama was wrong because we're in, as Obama says, the greatest financial crisis since the great depression.

Or, will the justification for this blatant hypocracy be that SOME crises aren't as critical as others?

Regarding changing one's tune, there's video and congessional records showing where Bush and McCain stood on this---now, I DID see a feed from Fox News about it, so it'll probably be discounted--but it certainly looks like Bush was saying that we needed to do something about this in April 2001--a little more than 3 months after he got into office. And there's stuff from McCain as well--in 2003 and 2005.

And interspersed with all that is video and congressional record of dems saying that everythings fine--we don't need any more regulation.

Now, all this could be Faux News trying to make their guys look good--but I can't shake the suspicion that Fox doesn't control the congressional record.

And the congressional record seems to be saying that Frank, Dodd, Obama, etc. were on the side of NOT overhauling the regulations.

And, as an aside, did you know that the 700 billion bailout bill that was rejected last night included handing a chunk of cash to ACORN? ACORN? That's just crazy.

[ygmir]

ACORN?
can you help me here........

[lurker]

It stands for Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, Obama worked for them.

They've been tied to quite a number of voter fraud complaints, actions and verdicts.

But the problem with involving them, beyond their partisanship, is that they are a part of the problem, not the solution. They want the weird loans that got us into this to continue.

[betrdanevr]

Lurker, I think your comparison is an absurd one.

As I pointed out to jkisha, Bush gets excoriated for NOT rushing back to DC to deal with the crisis on 9/11. McCain gets excoriated FOR rushing back to DC to deal with the crisis. Obama gets lauded for saying 'call me if you need me'.

For God's sake, the nation was under attack and Bush was and is President. Conspiracy theories aside, he should have been at the helm and not in the classroom.

I don't necessarily fault McCain, and I hear he spent his time on the phone garnering support for the bailout plan (or a modification thereof). Obama was on the phone as well, it's reported. "Call me if you need me" does not quite apply unless you're limiting it to his physical presence in D.C. I don't fault either of the candidates in this, but I think your comparison of Bush and the 9/11 situation to this is a very far stretch.

[ZaphodBurner]

Eric, there's a difference between 'talking' and 'doing'.

As I pointed out to jkisha, Bush gets excoriated for NOT rushing back to DC to deal with the crisis on 9/11.

Bush went to Nebraska and on Air America, Randy Rhodes ridiculed him by saying "Well I guess sometimes you just have to go to Nebraska." That's when I stopped listening to Air America.

Offutt Air Force Base is in Nebraska. That's the headquarters of U.S. Strategic Command. That's where the commander in chief wants to be if the United States is under attack. Whether she was too clueless/arrogant to figure this out before making a snarky comment, or trying to manipulate ignorant listeners by not mentioning the significance of Offutt, she lost my ear.

I'm a little bummed by this election season. A McCain/Obama or Obama/McCain White House could have really kicked ass.

-c

[ygmir]

hey, there's a thought:

both parties get to co-president.
then, since they won't agree on much, nothing will happen, hence, not much will get screwed up!!
Your brilliant!

And, if they did agree on something, it would probably mean it actually maters, probably I say.........

That's another good reason, for keeping congress about split, and, keeping the 2/3 majority for taxes.........

[Elderberry]

Do you make any sense even to yourself????????????????????

I'm done with you on this.

And no, jkisha, I don't make sense to myself--why do you think I'm babbling here.

And I gotta know--did you stamp your foot when you wrote 'I'm done with you on this.'? And, if so, was it in a perfumed, silken slipper? Because that's the image I got. Weird, huh? It was like I saw you, face all screwed up, pouting, saying 'hmmph, lurker pointed out the inconsistency in my thinking--in a way that makes my brain hurt to read---meany!' >stamp< 'I'm done with you on this!'

Crazy, huh? And I still get this image of you pouting, chubby cheeks all red....curiouser and curiouser.

Maybe I need to eat something.....

I DO NOT HAVE CHUBBY CHEEKS!

ROTFLMFAO

Lurker you gave me such a great belly laugh this morning reading this post.

Thanks

JK

[lurker]

For God's sake, the nation was under attack and Bush was and is President. Conspiracy theories aside, he should have been at the helm and not in the classroom.

Ah, so you've opted for--

SOME crises aren't as critical as others

And then this--

Obama was on the phone as well, it's reported. "Call me if you need me" does not quite apply unless you're limiting it to his physical presence in D.C.

How many times has Bush be ripped up one side and down the other because he didn't bring his physical presence to wherever his detractors thought he should be?

I don't fault either of the candidates in this, but I think your comparison of Bush and the 9/11 situation to this is a very far stretch.

But you ARE faulting one of the candidates--you're saying that in THIS particular crisis, it was okay for one of the people who might be implementing this solution to 'phone it in'--a procedure you dislike when the person 'phoning it in' is a Republican.

And I think the 9/11 situation is very appropriate--particularly when you consider that, in point of fact, the President DOESN'T have to be there. That in a situation like 9/11 there are protocols that are followed--and one of them is getting the President to a safe place. That the President carries his 'ultimate' power with him, that his job is structured in a way that he can NEVER truly be said to be 'away' from it. Through the use of phones and intranets, he can do everything he could do in DC ANYWHERE.

But a Senator can't. For a Senator to do his job he HAS to be there. Because, after the talking has died away, there are votes to be made, and you've gotta be there to cast that vote. And that's a Senators job.

So, yes, it's an apt comparison. The person whose job never leaves him is torn apart for not being in DC--and the person whose job IS ONLY in DC is lauded for choosing not to be where his job is.

[lurker]

I'd say I aim to please, jkisha, but I don't aim all that often, so my 'pleasing' is kinda scattershot.

[Ugly Dougly]

Gee, why are you so surprised when any of has a partisan bias? Or are you just dismayed that we don't always have yours?

[lurker]

Actually, I'd be surprised if anyone ever had mine. It's pretty weird.

You gotta understand, when I say

you guys have to make up your minds.

I mean it--not in any partisan way, but simply for the sake of logical consistency.

Be consistent. If somethings bad, it's bad, no matter WHO does it

But you all seem to be saying that similar things, with similar outcomes, are good or bad depending on the thought process behind them--regardless of the similarity of the effect and the outcome.

And that just doesn't make sense.

Here's my take--

Bush/ 9/11--I don't think he had a choice in where he went, but IF he had a choice, then he made a stupid one.

Obama/ financial crisis--I think he made a stupid choice--and coming in when Bush told him to doesn't help. It makes him look like a follower.

McCain/ financial crisis--I think he made the right cjoice--but I think he was being unnecessarily grandiose about it. It LOOKED good--and don't say that it didn't--if it had been Obama who did the exact same thing he'd be getting praised up one side and down the other for having the vision to see that when your country needs you, you drop the politicking and go and help the country. Hell, I'd be among those singing his praises(even though I don't like him).

And here's the worst thing--both Obama and McCain want the same bailout--they've both been talking about reining in the 'culture of greed'. Bush, Reid and Pelosi want it, too.

The fly in the ointment--for ALL of them--is the conservative wing of the Congress--who want something different. McCain may flip-flop to get in line with the conservatives--IF he thinks they can pull it off and IF he thinks what they propose will work.

But he, Bush, Pelosi, Reid, and Obama actually support what the righties are calling the 'socialization' of the financial industry.

[Elderberry]

lurker,

This has to be your best post on this topic yet. I don't especially agree with all of what you said, but it is clearly articulated and non-inflamatory, therefore respected.

Cudos.

JK

[Boijoy]

Lurker.. were only Socializing the losses.

btw.. DEBATE TONIGHT!! I'm gonna need a bong hit for this one.

[ygmir]

Lurker.. were only Socializing the losses.

btw.. DEBATE TONIGHT!! I'm gonna need a bong hit for this one.

why?
do you think it matters what they say?
or, that they'll keep any of the promises they make there?
or,
that the guys with the sticks and strings above won't get them tangled and it'll just look like they're dancing, while the lip syncing gets off time?.........

dang, cynical pill is strong today............

[Boijoy]

yg.. I don't need no stinkin pill to be cynical.. it's comes natural to me. I was thyinking about the entertainment value of the debate. & on a side note.. has anyone else noticed that McBushe's right eye is getting bigger and bigger.. and his left eye is getting smaller?? What is THAT all about?? Is he a Cyborg?

[Simon of the Playa]

Anyone nowadays can run for office..........


Oh wait, I thought this thread was about Chicken John. Embarassed

wow, i WAS talking about Mayor R.


i'm sorry, so sorry to all involved...this was the horrible result of a typo.

see what happens when you play "type with something other than your fingers" game?

all hell breaks loose.

[ygmir]

yg.. I don't need no stinkin pill to be cynical.. it's comes natural to me. I was thyinking about the entertainment value of the debate. & on a side note.. has anyone else noticed that McBushe's right eye is getting bigger and bigger.. and his left eye is getting smaller?? What is THAT all about?? Is he a Cyborg?

Well then..........




have some refreshments..........

lets all watch.......

[unjonharley]

yg.. I don't need no stinkin pill to be cynical.. it's comes natural to me. I was thyinking about the entertainment value of the debate. & on a side note.. has anyone else noticed that McBushe's right eye is getting bigger and bigger.. and his left eye is getting smaller?? What is THAT all about?? Is he a Cyborg?

Well then..........




have some refreshments..........

lets all watch.......

It's the lump on the left side of his face that is growing.. He has had that removed and nuked once. It'ssss backkkk..

[Simon of the Playa]

ok, now if you REALLY wanna make the debates fun try this:

I like to get dry erase markers and draw funny things on the candidates.

sure, you can do the typical mustache, or i like to give john McCain different hairdos. You know, like what would he look like with sideburns and a pompadour...try it, he's not elvis, but...(ps....TRY the early beatles look, TRUST ME)

anyway, you dont have to limit yourself to the candidates, i drew a strap-on on cindy for most of the final night of the GOP convention.

not to leave out the dems, i often give Joe Biden a little red strapless number and pumps, he looks like J Edgar Hoover but taller and not so butt ugly.


i'm only gonna give you a clue about obama, and it involves Billy Dee Williams, but i wont tell you which decade.

i also give katie Couric Perky nipples on an almost daily basis, i know how she feels about her constant losing battle with gravity, and i'm just trying to help her out a bit.

[Elderberry]

just don't forget to use your 'magic drawing screen'

JK

[ygmir]

ok, now if you REALLY wanna make the debates fun try this:

I like to get dry erase markers and draw funny things on the candidates.

sure, you can do the typical mustache, or i like to give john McCain different hairdos. You know, like what would he look like with sideburns and a pompadour...try it, he's not elvis, but...(ps....TRY the early beatles look, TRUST ME)

anyway, you dont have to limit yourself to the candidates, i drew a strap-on on cindy for most of the final night of the GOP convention.

not to leave out the dems, i often give Joe Biden a little red strapless number and pumps, he looks like J Edgar Hoover but taller and not so butt ugly.


i'm only gonna give you a clue about obama, and it involves Billy Dee Williams, but i wont tell you which decade.

i also give katie Couric Perky nipples on an almost daily basis, i know how she feels about her constant losing battle with gravity, and i'm just trying to help her out a bit.

I could see using Obama as Ronal Reagans side kick in a certain set of movies he did..........giggle.........ears..........hahahahaha

Katie Couric literally HATES being referred to as "perky"......you hit it there.....hahhaha

I think Palin in leather.....oh yeah........