Kerry wins First Debate hands down

glam_daddy · Post by **glam_daddy** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:50 pm

I am astounded that anyone could have seen that as a strong bush performance.

seriously....

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:06 pm

Simply Joel wrote:i am left with the impression, people saw what they wanted to see during the debate and came up with conclusions to support what they wanted.

simply an observation on my part.

Hmmmmm, I was thinking the same thing, curious...

And I'm still not leaning in either direction, dammitt. But then, choosing a candidate is our responsibility. An act that should not be easily manipulated or taken lightly. This isn't easy...

People, gather your own facts and come to your own conclusions. In other words, read, take an educated stance.

OK, I will stop.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:08 pm

bullD wrote:People, gather your own facts and come to your own conclusions. In other words, read, take an educated stance.

And ignore the dog-and-pony show called 'debate'

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:09 pm

calicowboy925 wrote:Just like the leftist tax and spend liberal bullshit....

You must be kidding?

A II Z

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:22 pm

Cheney / Edward's debate? Please. Edward's will trounce Chneney.

while Dick has the charisma of a dead garden slug, don't count him out. He's a very bright and wiley fella.

as per hearing what you want to hear. I did not see the debate, I listened to it on the radio (I am not into that moral absolutism shit; I have a tV). Kerry was never my candidate. I have no love for Bush. I will say I was embarassed for the guy. He just seemed so overwhelmed at time. At one point Bush's pause was so long as he tried to gather his thoughts that I chnaged stations thinking I had lost reception.

Feel free to have your opinions on the various policies and stances of either candidate or their repsective policies but to call that debate a victory for Bush is just disingenuous. Even the master himself, Rove, seemed at bit shaken.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:24 pm

holy edit function batman

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:18 pm

glamdaddy posted:

A nice 5 minute compilation of Bush making an ass of himself

http://www.pleasurecaptains.com/favor/howsmall.html

oh, shit...! that is just sad...ouch!

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:39 pm

tisha2 wrote:glamdaddy posted:
A nice 5 minute compilation of Bush making an ass of himself

http://www.pleasurecaptains.com/favor/howsmall.html
oh, shit...! that is just sad...ouch!

I couldn't watch more than 2 minutes. Clockwork Orange torture?

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:54 pm

Hey, Buckethead (she said, about to head wildly off-topic), what happened to your signature? It goes through my head to a little tune every time I see you, and I just realized it's gone! and this new pic...i can't quite figure out what i'm looking at...

KellY · Post by **KellY** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:12 pm

Simply Joel wrote:i am left with the impression, people saw what they wanted to see during the debate and came up with conclusions to support what they wanted.

simply an observation on my part.

Well, if that's true, that would indicate that %70-%80 of mainstream media viewers, and %39 of FauxNews watchers, were rooting for Kerry to win.

Like Stuart, I heard it on radio. Bush sounded BAD. Petulant, slow, and endlessly repetitive. I think he might have taken the "stay on message" method a bit too far this time. I think his worst moment was when he answered Kerry's proposals to improve homeland security (God, I hate that phrase) by saying they were too expensive.

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:56 pm

tisha2 wrote:Hey, Buckethead (she said, about to head wildly off-topic), what happened to your signature? It goes through my head to a little tune every time I see you, and I just realized it's gone! and this new pic...i can't quite figure out what i'm looking at...

Oh, how 'bout I tell you about it later over a beer?

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:30 pm

Even Bush is better than having a democrat in office. No matter how dumb he sounds.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:33 pm

The preceeding message was brought to you by an art car owner/operator who spent last night prancing around the BAR thread in a dress. And 'ladies night' was the night before...

Now back to your regularly scheduled tripe.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:57 pm

thanks Sensei

KellY · Post by **KellY** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:03 pm

Sensei wrote:The preceeding message was brought to you by an art car owner/operator who spent last night prancing around the BAR thread in a dress.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Blind partisanship is bad enough in and of itself. No need to drag fashion choices into it.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:08 pm

KellY wrote:Blind partisanship is bad enough in and of itself. No need to drag fashion choices into it.

I didn't drag fashion choices into it... I dragged the timing of his drag into it.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:14 pm

my parents vote for the deficient one, and somehow I still manage to love them.....I guess, I could find the space in my heart to love the Captain too.....I wonder if his wife thinks like him? I'm sure we would enjoy a drink together....

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:28 pm

cowboyangel wrote:...I guess, I could find the space in my heart to love the Captain too.....I wonder if his wife thinks like him? I'm sure we would enjoy a drink together....

With the Capt. or his wife? Bada-boom.

Sorry, Capt. I'm just Mr. Yuck-Yucks today.

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:31 pm

You're all gonna rip on me, and claim that your own stance is superior...
And that I'm morally inferior because I don't agree with your Democrat bias. Which I don't share. So have at it, I know I'm in the wrong house to favor Republicans here.
*the Captain slips on his Kevlar vest and prepares for the onslaught*

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:33 pm

Sensei wrote: Sorry, Capt. I'm just Mr. Yuck-Yucks today.

Never be sorry about that... I like Mr. Yuck-Yucks!

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:40 pm

oh now Captain I ain't gonna flame ya. We're Burners first, then party affiliations after that, and dooooooon't forgit it........

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:30 pm

Dam right were going to be good to the captain!
If the neo-con's keep there grip on power and move on to the next phase we could all find our selves in home land security reeducation camps and it will be dam good to have a friend like the captain on the outside.

KellY · Post by **KellY** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:36 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:You're all gonna rip on me, and claim that your own stance is superior...
And that I'm morally inferior because I don't agree with your Democrat bias. Which I don't share. So have at it, I know I'm in the wrong house to favor Republicans here.
*the Captain slips on his Kevlar vest and prepares for the onslaught*

Now now Cap, no need to get defensive. Blanket statements like "No matter how much of a lameass dumbfuck he may be, Bush is better than any Democrat" (okay, I'm paraphrasing a bit) are just plain close minded. Let's try and judge folks as indivduals, shall we?

If it makes you feel any better, I'd vote for McCain over a lameass Demo like Joe Lieberman any day.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:44 pm

KellY wrote:
If it makes you feel any better, I'd vote for McCain over a lameass Demo like Joe Lieberman any day.

Ditto.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:21 pm

I'll dig up Goldwater and put his moldy corpse in the White House instead of that twit that's in thar now

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:38 am

cowboyangel wrote:my parents vote for the deficient one, and somehow I still manage to love them.....I guess, I could find the space in my heart to love the Captain too.....I wonder if his wife thinks like him? I'm sure we would enjoy a drink together....

you mean your parents are voting for Nader?

Force · Post by **Force** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:38 am

I'm no Kerry fan, and while I think he's only slightly less dumb than Bush, (and that's really saying something, I'm amazed Bush can muster enough electrical power in his brain to keep his autonomous functions going, let alone talk and walk about, little wonder he's so [sarcasm]eloquent[/sarcasm]) jeezus fribbin poop on a cracker, how can anyone look at the dim light in Bush's eyes and think he's worthy or up to the job of leading America?

Especially when he's shown he's not by leading us into retarded wars like Iraq.

Here's how I keep explaining it to people to put it in really simple terms that they can relate to;

If you had an employee that was robbing you blind, making bad (or corrupt) decisions that would seriously undermine your business and sending your son to a bad neighborhood with instructions to kick in their doors, wouldn't you fire that guy no matter how bad his replacement might be? If only to send the message to your other employees that that kind of wanton dereliction of duty will not be tolerated?

Of course you would.

robbidobbs · Post by **robbidobbs** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:45 am

Damn good point Force.
<clap, clap, clap>

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:52 am

Force wrote:Of course you would.

as much as i would have agreed with you 25 years ago, i must say... "the known is far more desirable than the unknown" even though the "known" isn't performing up to task.

force, you may not like that answer and you are entitled...

entitled to be any noun i choose to label you with...

Force · Post by **Force** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:17 am

Simply Joel wrote:
Force wrote:Of course you would.
as much as i would have agreed with you 25 years ago, i must say... "the known is far more desirable than the unknown" even though the "known" isn't performing up to task.

force, you may not like that answer and you are entitled...

entitled to be any noun i choose to label you with...

The fear of the unknown is a damned weak argument for not fixing something.