What's a Palin

[gyre]

* The emails to Ivy Frye, a Palin aide who's mentioned in the earlier email stories specifically wondering how best to hide her correspondence with the governor.
* The attached contact list (below) features an email address for husband Todd Palin that is legit. As well as an apparently genuine phone number for Bristol Palin and an address for Beth Leschper, Palin's deputy communications director.
* The email from Amy McCorkell, a known associate of Palin's from Wasilla who might have the governor's personal email address.
* Emails to and from Lt Governor Sean Parnell about a local radio talk host.
* Calls to the phone number listed for Bristol Palin apparently go to her voicemail.
* The public profile for the gov.palin address dates its last update to April of this year—well before she became McCain's running mate. So if it's a hoax, it's a hoax that began long before anyone outside of Alaska cared about Palin.
* We haven't seen these family photos before. Have we?
* The previously accessible public profiles for gov.sarah@yahoo and gov.palin@yahoo were both deleted at the same time.

So you approve of hacking some ones private e-mail account?
That should be right up there with warrant less wiretaps.

It's all over the interweb at this point, not in a secret vault I found.
I thought it might be of some interest.

[Das Bus]

I find it amusing that the same people who are all up in arms over wiretapping, think it's ok to break into someone's email account and post it all over the internet.

[gyre]

Has this group complained about wiretapping?
All I know is that they became known for exposing scientology.

[Das Bus]

I used the word 'people' in general terms. And many in this group fall into that catagory.

[ygmir]

* The emails to Ivy Frye, a Palin aide who's mentioned in the earlier email stories specifically wondering how best to hide her correspondence with the governor.
* The attached contact list (below) features an email address for husband Todd Palin that is legit. As well as an apparently genuine phone number for Bristol Palin and an address for Beth Leschper, Palin's deputy communications director.
* The email from Amy McCorkell, a known associate of Palin's from Wasilla who might have the governor's personal email address.
* Emails to and from Lt Governor Sean Parnell about a local radio talk host.
* Calls to the phone number listed for Bristol Palin apparently go to her voicemail.
* The public profile for the gov.palin address dates its last update to April of this year—well before she became McCain's running mate. So if it's a hoax, it's a hoax that began long before anyone outside of Alaska cared about Palin.
* We haven't seen these family photos before. Have we?
* The previously accessible public profiles for gov.sarah@yahoo and gov.palin@yahoo were both deleted at the same time.

So you approve of hacking some ones private e-mail account?
That should be right up there with warrant less wiretaps.

good point there.....and, I don't like the patriot act, NSA, etc at all. But, I also hear people decrying it as you state above, and at the same time lapping this up and using it, even if it's stolen and such.....

geeze, there goes that nutty double standard again..........

Somewhat disappointing that the info from her email would be posted here..........not surprising, but, disappointing......

[gyre]

Can't see a difference between hackers and the government using limitless power to access everyone's information?

Kind of hard to criticize hackers that grew up with 100% of the usa aware of government spying.
Implying that republicans are A-OK with this is a good example of the party viewpoint.

It's like being a republican and complaining about street crime, while kids grew up watching magazine covers of arbitrage and crooked deals with government contracts.
Sort of let's the air out of the tires of the old moral arguments, eh?

Who have you even complained to about the illegal government spying, including the stepped up illegal activity under Bush that violated even the Patriot Act?
I consider my email to be public material until our laws change.
I don't like it and the government could change it so we can protect privacy, but it hasn't happened.

I don't know anything about hacking myself.
I suggest you contact the people in question and tell them that the republican party considers privacy sacred.

[Das Bus]

Can't see a difference between hackers and the government using limitless power to access everyone's information?

Kind of hard to criticize hackers that grew up with 100% of the usa aware of government spying.
Implying that republicans are A-OK with this is a good example of the party viewpoint.

It's like being a republican and complaining about street crime, while kids grew up watching magazine covers of arbitrage and crooked deals with government contracts.
Sort of let's the air out of the tires of the old moral arguments, eh?

Who have you even complained to about the illegal government spying, including the stepped up illegal activity under Bush that violated even the Patriot Act?
I consider my email to be public material until our laws change.
I don't like it and the government could change it so we can protect privacy, but it hasn't happened.

I don't know anything about hacking myself.
I suggest you contact the people in question and tell them that the republican party considers privacy sacred.

I don't speak for the Republican Party or any other. Only for myself. I consider both acts an invasion of privacy.

[goathead]

It's all over the interweb at this point, not in a secret vault I found.
I thought it might be of some interest.

I thought you didn't like thieves?

[ygmir]

Can't see a difference between hackers and the government using limitless power to access everyone's information?

well, no, spying and stealing are just that, I don't see how it's ok for either to do......


Kind of hard to criticize hackers that grew up with 100% of the usa aware of government spying.

nope, easy to criticize them. I bet they know it's not ok. I just think they feel it's ok since it a republican they're doing it to.......



Implying that republicans are A-OK with this is a good example of the party viewpoint.

I'm no republican, and, also, made no such implication. I don't think it's ok.


It's like being a republican and complaining about street crime, while kids grew up watching magazine covers of arbitrage and crooked deals with government contracts.
Sort of let's the air out of the tires of the old moral arguments, eh?


wow, interesting logic and analogy. do you mean seeing a shady headline in a magazine makes it ok to commit, usually violent, street crime?
I think criminals know right from wrong, they just choose not to care. With few exceptions relating to mental issues.


Who have you even complained to about the illegal government spying, including the stepped up illegal activity under Bush that violated even the Patriot Act?

If I thought anyone would care or act, I'd complain all right. I don't think so it'd matter, though.
I'm against it, and, do my best to stay below the radar.....



I consider my email to be public material until our laws change.
I don't like it and the government could change it so we can protect privacy, but it hasn't happened.



So, do you admit it's wrong to hack/break in/ steal this info? And, if so, how can you justify printing it in public?
the "oh, someone else would do it, so, why not me" excuse?
How about: " it's not illegal, IMHO, so, even if it's wrong, I'll do it"......
and so on for rationalizing poor behavior and judgment. Pointing out that someone else does it still doesn't make it ok......
seems there's a parable in there somewhere......
Seems it'd be more honest to just say something like: " I hate the republicans and will lie, cheat, steal or whatever to defeat them, because, the ends do justify the means".....
at least it'd be up front and open........



I don't know anything about hacking myself.
I suggest you contact the people in question and tell them that the republican party considers privacy sacred.

I'm not so good with computer stuff, so, please excuse my responses being within your quote, I made them blue, though........

[littleflower]

double post

[littleflower]

gyre, how would you feel if it had been, say, michelle obama's email? and someone listed it here? i say someone, because it sure as hell would not have been me.

i think everyone here, EVERYONE, would be pissed.

this sort of thing will haunt the democrats, IMO.

[goathead]

Can't see a difference between hackers and the government using limitless power to access everyone's information?

Ones theft, the other is an abuse of power, both are wrong.

Kind of hard to criticize hackers that grew up with 100% of the usa aware of government spying.

Nope it's real easy to criticize them, they are fucking thieves.

Implying that republicans are A-OK with this is a good example of the party viewpoint.

Where did I even imply in the least that I thought it was OK?
It's an abuse of power.

It's like being a republican and complaining about street crime, while kids grew up watching magazine covers of arbitrage and crooked deals with government contracts. Sort of let's the air out of the tires of the old moral arguments, eh?

I will have to take your word for it.

Who have you even complained to about the illegal government spying, including the stepped up illegal activity under Bush that violated even the Patriot Act?

I have no problem at all saying Bush has fucked up.

I consider my email to be public material until our laws change.I don't like it and the government could change it so we can protect privacy, but it hasn't happened.

I consider my email to be private, hacking into it is not that different then stealing my mail.

I don't know anything about hacking myself.
I suggest you contact the people in question and tell them that the republican party considers privacy sacred.

It would not matter to me who's account got hacked, I would still consider it theft. If the fucking government does it with out a warrant it is no better.

[gyre]

Hey, don't read it.
It's already public.
I didn't make it public.

As far as it being stealing, with no internet privacy, I'm not sure anything like this can be stolen.
Maybe more effective hackers would force laws about privacy?
That's what it took to begin protecting credit info, and they aren't nearly there yet.

Powerful financial interests, in addition to the government, don't want these laws enacted.
Google keeps massive files on search engine users.
Do they have a right to this information?


Ygmir, when it comes to gang members, no I don't think they know right from wrong.
And I do think when we have crooks being praised by the president that it does permeate all of society.
It is leading by example.

When kids grow up with no real hope of a decent life and see rich crooks, it is a difficult moral point to explain to them.
It is not a mystery that violent crime grew during the days of arbitrage and double dealing.
Do you think children today won't notice how the current financial scandals shake out?
Our country's hypocrisy on drug laws alone is enough to give the lie to everything a child is told.
Gangsters know that white collar criminals hurt more people than they do.
And they know that the court system has nothing at all to do with justice.

I think I should do the right thing because I should.
But my personal morality, good or bad, is not based on anything in society.
I have difficulty explaining this to young children in a society that leads with bad examples.


I have worked as a journalist and as a detective, which involved finding out things that people did not want me to know, from public information.
Sometimes people provided me with information I did not have access to about crimes.
Currently the state here keeps private personal information about criminals, supposedly to protect people from stalkers (translation=rich and powerful people want more privacy).
This is public information which was easily accessible to everyone until recently.
If I could access this by any means I would, because it is now hard for me to track drug dealers and thieves in the area, and it is wrong for it to be unavailable.
And the state here violates it's own public information and press info rules as a matter of course.
Leading by example.

gyre, how would you feel if it had been, say, michelle obama's email? and someone listed it here? i say someone, because it sure as hell would not have been me.

Exactly the same as now, providing it was done by anti-scientology hackers and not paid election saboteurs a la nixon.
I would feel pretty hypocritical to aspire to special outrage beyond what I feel every day already, when it comes to privacy.

I really have no opinion about the Palin email.
Is there anything useful?
I didn't read it.

[Ugly Dougly]

It's as if she climbed out of the car and forget that she didn't have underwear and some paparazzo caught it. I am barely decent enough not to stare.

What was her password "Jesus" or something simple like that?

But she's been attending a very interesting church. Jews are very afraid of her, I understand.

[Toolmaker]

I already posted his previous votes on gun issues. On his website he mentions a desire to bring back the Clinton ban and get rid of carry concealed weapon licenses.

I didn't find this myself.
Can you show me where it is?

At the bottom of the post.. sources cited.. his votes are where his policy was exposed. He has been consistant in voting for restrictions to the 2nd ammendment. But he is a Democrat so what did ya expect from the party that gave us Waco.

Most of these political folk get exposed in their lies with their votes being public. Say one thing do another.. the usual bullshit. This is why I am back on vote strike.. voting Libertarian or Green is just a waste of a vote. Maybe when the economy is totally collapsed people will wake the fuck up and realize that they have just been lying as usual to everyone.

I ALMOST got fooled by Obama.. but after Clinton I learned alot about looking into these fuckers and their votes.

PS: Whats wrong with using Rense as a source if the information is accurate? Not everything on there is about aliens...

[gyre]

I meant where on his webhouse does he say this?

Votes can be useful, but you probably know the current system is more complex than that, with votes traded, sometimes even voting for insane things, knowing they won't pass or be legal if they do.

[ygmir]

Votes can be useful, but you probably know the current system is more complex than that, with votes traded, sometimes even voting for insane things, knowing they won't pass or be legal if they do.

and that is part of why I think most of the countries ill rest on the congressional shoulders, both houses, both parties......

If, we had a "good" congress, the president wouldn't matter anyway.........
they have the real power, the purse............
they can and do make and change laws..........

nothing long term can happen without their consent........

and that is why the lobby and tort reforms always fail......it's their bread and butter.......

nope, not jaded, not me......

[Toolmaker]

I meant where on his webhouse does he say this?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urban ... nforcement

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

Gunshows are not a "loophole" and childproof requirements are sorta silly when dealing with an armed attacker. This just allows for the shitbird to kill you and get another gun for the streets. Such weapons as mentioned are not protected by the second amendment for foreign battlefields yet for the battlefield here at home. Those that do not heed the lesson taught by history will be doomed to be retaught those lessons the hard way.

One would think someone claiming to be an expert in the constitution would be literate enough to understand this.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Its not all that complicated to understand..

Anyone that can't understand the "old way of talkin" can read an in depth explanation of the language here.

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/unabridged.2nd.html

also a good test to take can be found here..

http://www.a-human-right.com/views2.html

Now back to Palin..

I'm pretty sure she likes guns..

PS

[littleflower]

the congress has the purse but the president has a lot of power as well ... as head of the executive branch, he picks the department heads.

as with many things, if it works you get no credit, but if it breaks it's all your fault! i know people in washington who work their butts off for a fraction of what they're worth. public service. looks good on a resume.

but find me a government that has a better system for running such a huge, diverse country. i'm often amazed it works so well. corruption has been around forever ... contrary to popular belief, it was not created by modern day republicans. yes, we can - and should - work to make it better, but there are always people who will figure out how to get around laws, always people who will lie, cheat, steal ... it's part of life.

so cheer up ygmir, toolmaker, et al ... we'll get through it ... i hope

[wonderphil]

I meant where on his webhouse does he say this?

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urban ... nforcement

Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

Gunshows are not a "loophole" and childproof requirements are sorta silly when dealing with an armed attacker. This just allows for the shitbird to kill you and get another gun for the streets. Such weapons as mentioned are not protected by the second amendment for foreign battlefields yet for the battlefield here at home. Those that do not heed the lesson taught by history will be doomed to be retaught those lessons the hard way.

One would think someone claiming to be an expert in the constitution would be literate enough to understand this.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Its not all that complicated to understand..

Anyone that can't understand the "old way of talkin" can read an in depth explanation of the language here.

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/unabridged.2nd.html

also a good test to take can be found here..

http://www.a-human-right.com/views2.html

Now back to Palin..

I'm pretty sure she likes guns..

PS

I was not aware of the Obama voting record in opposition to the second amendment. You exposed this by posting his voting record, Thank you . I completely agree with you in support of the second amendment. We are fortunate to have a majority of the supreme court that upholds the constitution and does not try to rewrite it as they see fit.

[MikeVDS]

I haven't read her e-mail and don't really care, but I personally think it's hilarious. I would hope that a governor wouldn't put anything important and "secret" through yahoo mail. I doubt the president makes high security level calls over unsecured telephone lines nor sends them over MSN. That's just stupid. It's not "right" to invade someones privacy, but if you're in a position of power you damn well better protect yourself better than unencrypted messages over yahoo mail for anything important.

I do think that is better than allowing the government to spy on us. Both should be illegal, but one we're allowing, the other we're at least trying to enforce.

[ygmir]

Quote:
gyre, how would you feel if it had been, say, michelle obama's email? and someone listed it here? i say someone, because it sure as hell would not have been me.

Exactly the same as now, providing it was done by anti-scientology hackers and not paid election saboteurs a la nixon.
I would feel pretty hypocritical to aspire to special outrage beyond what I feel every day already, when it comes to privacy.



Why would it matter who did it? And, do you think it was a random hacker, or a, bought by the DNC, "election saboteur"......?

do you think Nixon was the first, or last? Do you think republicans are the only one doing this?

It's all so one sided......I have no problem with pointing out it's not fair, or nice, or legal, but, geeze, point both ways.........

you act as though all evil and deceit is perpetrated by "the vast right wing conspiracy".......you can't actually believe the left doesn't do the same things.....can you?

[Das Bus]

You are exactly right, ygmir.

It's unfortunate, that in politics, it comes down to who you think is less corrupt or who would do the least damage.

And as someone pointed out earlier, one way to lessen the damage is to not have one party controlling both the White House and Congress.

[ygmir]

I had an old friend, that, would always split his vote.
I thought it was a dumb idea, now, I'm not so sure.......

He said, as you infer, he felt one party should not control both executive and legislative........

I'm coming to agree with that.......

the more gridlock, the less gets done....
the less they do, the less they screw up........

Sam Clemens said something to the effect that the best congress is one on vacation.....or something like that.......
and, he's right, IMHO.

You get a bunch of lawyers, writing and interpreting laws, under the influence of huge money interests, and self interest, and, believing themselves above the law.......

and, you get congress........

I think I like gridlock in congress.......no really.........

[wonderphil]

I haven't read her e-mail and don't really care, but I personally think it's hilarious. I would hope that a governor wouldn't put anything important and "secret" through yahoo mail. I doubt the president makes high security level calls over unsecured telephone lines nor sends them over MSN. That's just stupid. It's not "right" to invade someones privacy, but if you're in a position of power you damn well better protect yourself better than unencrypted messages over yahoo mail for anything important.

I do think that is better than allowing the government to spy on us. Both should be illegal, but one we're allowing, the other we're at least trying to enforce.

• That anyone would think this is funny or somehow ok make me want to puke. Do you think what was behind Watergate is any different?

There is no excuse for this attitude or posting of private email info on this website. I believe that most of us supports our freedom and privacy. Freedom does not include the right for government or scum bags of any party to spy and hack on our private life / Snail Mail / E mail / Keep your dirty HANDS OFF of our private life's you low life scum bags.

[wonderphil]

Aside from everything else that makes Palin completely unqualified for the office, she has one concrete stance that has totally and completely cemented the deal against her for me.

If your 14 year old daughter were to be raped by your brother, Palin's only remark about it would be "Congratulations on your new neicegrandchild".

do you have a link for that that is not a obvious doctored obama trash talking site ? give me a liberal rag link like the NY Times

thanks in advance for being honest in your reply.

still waiting for your honest reply zzzz

[Das Bus]

Here's a link from an unbiased website:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

You can also check out the other candidates.

[gyre]

Why would it matter who did it? And, do you think it was a random hacker, or a, bought by the DNC, "election saboteur"......?

do you think Nixon was the first, or last? Do you think republicans are the only one doing this?

It's all so one sided......I have no problem with pointing out it's not fair, or nice, or legal, but, geeze, point both ways.........

you act as though all evil and deceit is perpetrated by "the vast right wing conspiracy".......you can't actually believe the left doesn't do the same things.....can you?

Nixon is a great example.
Watergate was a successful coverup.
The public never did find out what it was about.
And they never found out how bad the criminality was.
So
Nixon stolen election
Ford - should have been prosecuted himself
Reagan- stolen election with the help of the Iranians and fraud about R Reagan's state of health, making Nancy Reagan President by coup.
(odd that republicans have issues with Hillary when Nancy was the first female president.)
Bush the sequel- stolen election, stolen trillions, another deregulation depression, trillions stolen

Sure it's just the same.
If democrats have a dirty tricks campaign, they sure suck at it.
Just look at talk radio.
And they aren't getting paid for it well either.
Check the breakdown on donations from special intersts vs individuals.
All those crooks McCain said were separate from him showed up at the convention.
Does he even have a choice?

Only the gullible and the corrupt would vote for the republican party, so they have to engage in dirty tricks.
It's all they have.

I'm not happy with the system or democrats, but it's not like we're left with a lot of choice.

Why would it matter who did it?

How could it not matter?


I clearly missed the republican platform supporting respecting of privacy.
Maybe it was under the 'no right to abortion' part?
Don't hold your breath, folks.
The government doesn't want there to be privacy and the commercial interests have nothing to gain and a lot to lose if there is a privacy right in this country, which by the way, does not exist, and it is not an oversight.
You can expect the republicans to champion a privacy law that protects businesses, but not citizens.
Didn't they already do that though?

There is no right of privacy in this country.
If you don't like it, do something.

Start with basic reading like The Puzzle Palace and Body of Secrets.


On guns, anti-personal defense arguments regarding the constitution have convinced me that the second amendment does not protect handguns.
It does protect our right to have weapons sufficient to resist domination by a military force.
With current weapons, that would include automatic weapons, artillery and rockets adequate to stop helicopters.
I think the Afghanis got Sidewinders, so I would say the second amendment covers everything up to that point.
I deserve as much protection for my freedom as any village dweller in Afghanistan.

[Simon of the Playa]

i cant wait for her kinky sex practices to surface. (actually, in my mind, this makes me less critical of her, but, that's me)


another contradiction the fundagelicals will have to 'cum' to terms with.


it'll be almost as good as the leader of the Evangelicals getting caught buying meth and sex from a gay male prostitute and then trying to deny it when there were AUDIO tapes to prove his Oh so Pious ass wrong.


this time, it'll be video.......beta, no less...

[lurker]

Has this group complained about wiretapping?
All I know is that they became known for exposing scientology.

Anonymous did not do this. Anonymous does not take orders.

David Kernall tried to get Anonymous to 'do' something to Palin when he couldn't find anything to hurt her with in the e-mail.

the internet is not your personal army.

Anonymous does not take orders.