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Post by MikeVDS » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:23 am

From wide reading , the consensus of opinion seems to be that the Dems don't want to impeach Bush. They want him to crash and burn so badly that the dems will have a cake-walk in 08.
I cannot tell you the opinions of each Democrat in congress, but I see little reason to impeach Bush at this point either. Even if it succeeded, we get Cheney? It's politically pointless if it were even possible.
Assuming that the Dems sweep in 08,,,, what will they do? What can they do? The Medicare drug plan is a complete budget buster. Will the Dems institute universal health coverage? How will they fund it?
What will they do about what? The budget? Yeah it's a disaster and has been for my entire life. The Clinton years had us getting back on track, so if we see more of that, I guess it's not so bad. Universal health coverage along the lines of other nations that typically get referenced costs less than our current medicare plan. Will socialized healthcare politically work? Will people accept the restrictions that other nations accept? I don't know. It will be a fight and it's better and cheaper than our current system.

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Post by Finnegan » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:24 am

I agree that the Dems appear completely uninterested in saving this country. They are content to run out the clock and ‘win’ big in ‘08.

My persistent question to these pathetic Congresspeople is, “What, exactly would it take for you to make a principled stand?â€
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Post by Finnegan » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:27 am

Even if it succeeded, we get Cheney?
HR 333 targets Cheney first. Urge your ‘leaders’ to support this.
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Post by Archantael » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:17 pm

[quote="Finnegan"]My persistent question to these pathetic Congresspeople is, “What, exactly would it take for you to make a principled stand?â€

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Post by EvilDustBooger » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:36 pm

Yep.
And unfortunately in national politics, the turds tend to float up to the top of the punchbowl.
So you get what you pay for.

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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:54 pm

Politics is for suckers.





did I say that already?

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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:56 pm

MikeVDS wrote: I cannot tell you the opinions of each Democrat in congress, but I see little reason to impeach Bush at this point either. Even if it succeeded, we get Cheney? It's politically pointless if it were even possible.
TREASON is what the charge should be but no one gets that.

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Post by Finnegan » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:09 pm

Yeah, so instead, we’ll just let them slide, and in a few years, they’ll name an airport after him.

Nuhnemburg style trials and death sentences. That’s what I’m talking about. But I’m not bitter or anything..
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Post by can't sit still » Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:39 pm

Bush said that the constitution was just a goddamed piece of paper. Gonzalez said it was an impediment. OK, so principles and morals are inconvenient. Where does that leave society?
Shall we descend into an ignorant theocracy devoid of principles? While we're at it, should we throw in unrestrained greed? Toss in unrestrained spying and forced compliance; http://tech.netscape.com/story/2007/04/ ... y-cameras/
Serve up a platter of indoctrination, drugging, intimidation and coercion. Will there be any joy left in life? Will there be any way to keep a lid on it. NO!!
What's the average "joy quotient" in the average person's life? We so despise returning from the desert to the default world because 7 days in an alkaline hell is preferable to normal time spent in our consumerist vision of paradise.
In the name of consume and control, GOV would quash the spirit down to the tiniest corner of the the mind. GOV much prefers sheeple.
An unshackeled human spirit is as much of a danger as a working constitution.
Bush and his ilk would gladly drive humanity of a cliff as long as he could be at the wheel.
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Post by Green Wood » Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:24 pm

mdmf007 wrote: That was also in 1830 - whan a man was a man at 15, and dead by 30. marriage by 14 was as common as marriage by your mid twenties now.
Hate to say this but people died in their thirties before we had greek and roman dentists and during the dark ages when they lost that knowledge.

Joey Smith was an old cogger when he married that 14 year old girl. He had a dozens of brides at that time.

He's a pedo fur sure
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Post by Green Wood » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:41 am

What really is fucked up about Old Joe is that he sometimes forced other Mormons into giving up their wifes so that they could marry Joe Blow!

I wouldn't trust Mitt anymore and he has changed his stance on issues just to win the Republican primary vote if he won that he would again change his position.
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Post by EvilDustBooger » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:02 am

In sheep`s clothing...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blume ... 57826.html

Do YOU believe ?

These folks are for REAL?

Fucking UN-believable !

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Post by Finnegan » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:33 am

Yep, they’re not kidding around. Ask them about the Red Cow. There is actually a rancher (or several) in Texas trying to produce red cows just to ship to Israel.

I don’t mind fanatics when they stay in their caves..
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Post by Green Wood » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:16 am

EvilDustBooger wrote:In sheep`s clothing...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blume ... 57826.html

Do YOU believe ?

These folks are for REAL?

Fucking UN-believable !
Now that's what Muslim Extremes should be attacking here in the US people like John Hagee and his Mega-Church!

That I wouldn't mind
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Post by EvilDustBooger » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:03 am

These fuckers vote early and often.
Where did all the Bush Admin. Power come from?
The Voters.
I`m crapping my pants over here.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:15 pm

Jesus loves you so much he's going to kill everyone who doesn't follow ME and YOU!

And then there are Republicans:

Counsel Sought to Investigate Attorney General’s Testimony
By DAVID STOUT
Published: July 26, 2007
WASHINGTON, July 26 — Four Senate Democrats sought today to raise the controversy over Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales to a new level as they called for the appointment of a special counsel to investigate whether Mr. Gonzales perjured himself before Congress.

The senators, all members of the Judiciary Committee, urged Solicitor General Paul D. Clement in a letter to name an independent counsel from outside the Justice Department. “It has become apparent that the attorney general has provided at a minimum half-truths and misleading statements,â€

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FBI chief seems to contradict Gonzales

Post by DVD Burner » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:44 am

FBI chief seems to contradict Gonzales


http://www.latimes.com/news/printeditio ... -frontpage



Robert Mueller tells a House panel that he had had reservations about a wiretapping program, undercutting the attorney general's testimony.
By Richard B. Schmitt, Times Staff Writer
July 27, 2007

WASHINGTON — The director of the FBI told a congressional committee Thursday that he had had reservations about the Bush administration's terrorism surveillance program — a statement that appears to contradict sworn testimony last year by Atty. Gen. Alberto R. Gonzales that the warrantless eavesdropping had generated no serious disagreement among high-level officials.

Testifying before the House Judiciary Committee, Robert S. Mueller III also undercut statements Gonzales offered this week to lawmakers about a controversial hospital visit to the bedside of then-Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft in March 2004.

Mueller's disclosures come amid what until now has been a highly partisan debate on Capitol Hill over Gonzales' tenure at the Justice Department and his reputation for honesty.

The testimony by the career Justice Department official — who has headed the FBI for six years — came just hours after Senate Democrats called on the department to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate whether Gonzales had perjured himself before congressional committees. Mueller's testimony, some observers said, would make it difficult for the department not to take some action on that request.

Democrats also raised the stakes in their investigation of the politically charged dismissals last year of eight U.S. attorneys. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) issued subpoenas to Bush political strategist Karl Rove and White House deputy political affairs director J. Scott Jennings. The two are expected to resist the order to testify Aug. 2, which probably would touch off an effort to hold them in contempt of Congress.

The White House continued to defend Gonzales on Thursday, and denied Mueller had contradicted the attorney general's testimony. Presidential spokesman Tony Snow said lawmakers were manipulating the testimony of Gonzales and Mueller, who he said were limited in what they could say publicly about classified intelligence-gathering programs.

"This is the latest in a long line of artful distortions by people who have spent the last six months hurling allegations at the attorney general. The FBI director didn't contradict the testimony," Snow said. "There are attempts in Congress to create a public discussion of classified programs. That's inappropriate. The president … maintains full confidence in the attorney general."

In December 2005 — after a description of the wiretapping program appeared in the media — Bush acknowledged that shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, the National Security Agency began conducting electronic surveillance of communications between people in the United States and terrorism suspects overseas without seeking the approval of a special intelligence court. The program was controversial because such surveillance historically has been monitored by that court.

Two months later, after reports that some administration officials were concerned about the legality of the program, Gonzales began to publicly draw a distinction between what Bush called the Terrorist Surveillance Program, or TSP, and other "operational" activities that remained classified. He asserted that there was no internal administration dispute "about the program that the president has confirmed."

But his statements came into question. Former Deputy Atty. Gen. James B. Comey, appearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee in May, disclosed in dramatic fashion how he and other Justice Department officials — including Mueller — had a disagreement with the White House over intelligence-gathering in March 2004. That dispute culminated in an unusual meeting of senior administration officials by Ashcroft's bed in a Washington intensive care unit, where the attorney general was recovering from gallbladder surgery the day before.

Comey, who had been designated acting attorney general while Ashcroft was ill, was concerned about the legality of the intelligence program and had refused to sign off on its continuation. That decision, he said, led then-White House Counsel Gonzales, accompanied by then-White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr., to attempt to persuade a weakened Ashcroft to countermand Comey's action; Ashcroft refused.

Comey declined to say during his testimony whether the program in dispute was the warrantless surveillance that Bush had announced. But lawmakers believed that was the case, and they contended Gonzales was essentially splitting hairs in testifying that there was no disagreement over the program.

In his appearance before the Senate panel, Comey testified that he, Ashcroft and Mueller believed the problems to be so severe that they were prepared to resign unless changes were made. Because the program was classified and run by another agency, Mueller had never discussed the issue publicly — until his appearance before the House committee Thursday.

"Can you confirm that you had some serious reservations about the warrantless wiretapping program?" Rep. Melvin Watt (D-N.C.) asked the director.

"Yes," Mueller said.

He acknowledged that he was not in Ashcroft's hospital room at the time of the confrontation. But he said that, at Comey's request, he had ordered the FBI agents serving as Ashcroft's security detail to make sure that Gonzales did not try to remove Comey from the room.

The FBI director told the committee Thursday that he had arrived shortly after the visitors left and that he spoke with the ailing attorney general.

"Did you have an understanding that that the conversation was on TSP?" Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas) asked.

"I had an understanding the discussion was on an NSA program, yes," Mueller answered.

Jackson persisted: "We use 'TSP,' we use 'warrantless wiretapping' — so would I be comfortable in saying that those were the items that were part of the discussion?"

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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:46 am

Joel and his followers, and his leaders have nothing to hide right?
Even those on 3playa that are followers of Bush have nothing to hide right?
What say yall?

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:28 pm

Many wish that Albert was kept in his can! The war will still be raging and this issue of the fired Attorneys, illegal wiretapping program, high deficits, illegal immigration, the stock markets going down, morgage rates, home sales, the poor dollar exchange rate are all signs of a really bad election year for the repubs. Lots of bad news that will be highly exploitable in the coming election.

Other good news: Mitt Romney is leading Ghouliani. Republicans are too busy looking for a moral man to represent their immoral lives and will give away the presidency to do so. That is fine with me. I and the Dems are more worried about Ghouliani in the national race where his poll numbers are above the Dems. Too bad he won't even get a chance to use them. Iowa is just a corn husker state with limited issues concerning the nation. Just give free money for not producing a thing in the farm bill and they're happy campers.

I am also hoping that Cheney's new pacemaker with have a malfunction sometime overnight!

All wishes should come true RIGHT!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:17 pm

Killer Catches- Oh they got a big fish on the line:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/31/washi ... Q4YTB27p6A

Alaska Home of Senator Is Raided by U.S. Agents

By PHILIP SHENON
Published: July 31, 2007
WASHINGTON, July 30 — The Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Internal Revenue Service raided the Alaska home of Senator Ted Stevens on Monday in search of evidence about his relationship to a businessman who oversaw a remodeling project that almost doubled the size of the senator’s house, federal law enforcement officials said.

The decision to raid the home suggests that the corruption investigation focused on Mr. Stevens, a long-serving Republican and former chairman, has taken on new urgency.


Oh Boy, OOHH Boy! OOOOH! Booooooy!!!!

Ted Stevens hooked, fillated and baked!

This guy was instrumental in opening the Tongrass. America's once largest pristine Temperate Rainforest to logging!!!!

I'm so Glad, I'm so Glad, I'm Glad, I'm Glad, I'm Glad!

Almost as good as if GWB was shot for treason!!!!!

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Post by Finnegan » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:35 pm

But! But.. Now who will safeguard our series' of tubes?! The interwebs are doomed!
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Post by Toolmaker » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:07 am

DVD Burner wrote:What say yall?
ReReElect Bush.
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:39 pm

Schedule of Events, 2008 Democratic Convention7:00 pm ~ Opening flag burning

7:15 pm ~ Pledge of Allegiance to the U. N.

7:20 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

7:25 pm ~ Nonreligious prayer and worship with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton

7:45 pm ~ Ceremonial tree hugging

7:55 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

8:00 pm ~ "How I Invented the Internet" - Al Gore

8:15 pm ~ "Gay Wedding Planning"- Barney Frank presiding

8:35 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

8:40 pm ~ "Our Troops are War Criminals" - John Kerry

9.00 pm ~ Memorial service for Saddam and his sons - Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon

10:00 pm ~ "Answering Machine Etiquette" - Alec Baldwin

11:00 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

11:05 pm ~ Collection for the Osama Bin Laden kidney transplant fund - Barbra Streisand

11:15 pm ~ "Free the Freedom Fighters from Guantanamo Bay" -­ Sean Penn

11:30 pm ~ "Oval Office Affairs" - William Jefferson Clinton

11:45 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

11:50 pm ~ "How George Bush Brought Down the World Trade Towers" - Howard Dean

12:15 am ~ "Truth in Broadcasting Award" - Presented to Dan Rather by Michael Moore

12:25 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

12:30 am ~ Satellite address by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

12:45 am ~ Nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton by Nancy Pelosi

1:00 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

1:05 am ~ Coronation of Hillary Rodham Clinton

1:30 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast

1:35 am ~ Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home
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Post by Archantael » Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:03 am

Here we go further down the slippery slope...the Drudge Report is carrying a Wall Street Journal story saying that the restraints on the use of spy satellites to monitor US citizens domestically have been lifted. In a year or so your local Police may be able to retire their surveillance vans, instead they can sit in a comfy air conditioned office chowing down on Krispy Kremes while watching your every move on an LCD screen.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB ... l?mod=blog

U.S. to Expand
Domestic Use
Of Spy Satellites
By ROBERT BLOCK
August 15, 2007; Page A1

The U.S.'s top intelligence official has greatly expanded the range of federal and local authorities who can get access to information from the nation's vast network of spy satellites in the U.S.

The decision, made three months ago by Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell, places for the first time some of the U.S.'s most powerful intelligence-gathering tools at the disposal of domestic security officials. The move was authorized in a May 25 memo sent to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff asking his department to facilitate access to the spy network on behalf of civilian agencies and law enforcement.

QUESTION OF THE DAY


• Vote: How well does the U.S. balance security and liberty?Until now, only a handful of federal civilian agencies, such as the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the U.S. Geological Survey, have had access to the most basic spy-satellite imagery, and only for the purpose of scientific and environmental study.

According to officials, one of the department's first objectives will be to use the network to enhance border security, determine how best to secure critical infrastructure and help emergency responders after natural disasters. Sometime next year, officials will examine how the satellites can aid federal and local law-enforcement agencies, covering both criminal and civil law. The department is still working on determining how it will engage law enforcement officials and what kind of support it will give them.

Access to the high-tech surveillance tools would, for the first time, allow Homeland Security and law-enforcement officials to see real-time, high-resolution images and data, which would allow them, for example, to identify smuggler staging areas, a gang safehouse, or possibly even a building being used by would-be terrorists to manufacture chemical weapons.

Overseas -- the traditional realm of spy satellites -- the system was used to monitor tank movements during the Cold War. Today, it's used to monitor suspected terrorist hideouts, smuggling routes for weapons in Iraq, nuclear tests and the movement of nuclear materials, as well as to make detailed maps for U.S. soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Plans to provide DHS with significantly expanded access have been on the drawing board for over two years. The idea was first talked about as a possibility by the Central Intelligence Agency after 9/11 as a way to help better secure the country. "It is an idea whose time has arrived," says Charles Allen, the DHS's chief intelligence officer, who will be in charge of the new program. DHS officials say the program has been granted a budget by Congress and has the approval of the relevant committees in both chambers.

Wiretap Legislation

Coming on the back of legislation that upgraded the administration's ability to wiretap terrorist suspects without warrants, the development is likely to heat up debate about the balance between civil liberties and national security.


Access to the satellite surveillance will be controlled by a new Homeland Security branch -- the National Applications Office -- which will be up and running in October. Homeland Security officials say the new office will build on the efforts of its predecessor, the Civil Applications Committee. Under the direction of the Geological Survey, the Civil Applications Committee vets requests from civilian agencies wanting spy data for environmental or scientific study. The Geological Survey has been one of the biggest domestic users of spy-satellite information, to make topographic maps.

Unlike electronic eavesdropping, which is subject to legislative and some judicial control, this use of spy satellites is largely uncharted territory. Although the courts have permitted warrantless aerial searches of private property by law-enforcement aircraft, there are no cases involving the use of satellite technology.

In recent years, some military experts have questioned whether domestic use of such satellites would violate the Posse Comitatus Act. The act bars the military from engaging in law-enforcement activity inside the U.S., and the satellites were predominantly built for and owned by the Defense Department.

According to Pentagon officials, the government has in the past been able to supply information from spy satellites to federal law-enforcement agencies, but that was done on a case-by-case basis and only with special permission from the president.

Even the architects of the current move are unclear about the legal boundaries. A 2005 study commissioned by the U.S. intelligence community, which recommended granting access to the spy satellites for Homeland Security, noted: "There is little if any policy, guidance or procedures regarding the collection, exploitation and dissemination of domestic MASINT." MASINT stands for Measurement and Signatures Intelligence, a particular kind of information collected by spy satellites which would for the first time become available to civilian agencies.

According to defense experts, MASINT uses radar, lasers, infrared, electromagnetic data and other technologies to see through cloud cover, forest canopies and even concrete to create images or gather data.

Tracking Weapons

The spy satellites are considered by military experts to be more penetrating than civilian ones: They not only take color, as well as black-and-white photos, but can also use different parts of the light spectrum to track human activities, including, for example, traces left by chemical weapons or heat generated by people in a building.

Mr. Allen, the DHS intelligence chief, said the satellites have the ability to take a "multidimensional" look at ports and critical infrastructure from space to identify vulnerabilities. "There are certain technical abilities that will assist on land borders...to try to identify areas where narcotraficantes or alien smugglers may be moving dangerous people or materials," he said.

The full capabilities of these systems are unknown outside the intelligence community, because they are among the most closely held secrets in government.

Some civil-liberties activists worry that without proper oversight, only those inside the National Application Office will know what is being monitored from space.

"You are talking about enormous power," said Gregory Nojeim, senior counsel and director of the Project on Freedom, Security and Technology for the Center for Democracy and Technology, a nonprofit group advocating privacy rights in the digital age. "Not only is the surveillance they are contemplating intrusive and omnipresent, it's also invisible. And that's what makes this so dangerous."

Mr. Allen, the DHS intelligence chief, says the department is cognizant of the civil-rights and privacy concerns, which is why he plans to take time before providing law-enforcement agencies with access to the data. He says DHS will have a team of lawyers to review requests for access or use of the systems.

"This all has to be vetted through a legal process," he says. "We have to get this right because we don't want civil-rights and civil-liberties advocates to have concerns that this is being misused in ways which were not intended."

DHS's Mr. Allen says that while he can't talk about the program's capabilities in detail, there is a tendency to overestimate its powers. For instance, satellites in orbit are constantly moving and can't settle over an area for long periods of time. The platforms also don't show people in detail. "Contrary to what some people believe you cannot see if somebody needs a haircut from space," he says.

James Devine, a senior adviser to the director of the Geological Survey, who is chairman of the committee now overseeing satellite-access requests, said traditional users of the spy-satellite data in the scientific community are concerned that their needs will be marginalized in favor of security concerns. Mr. Devine said DHS has promised him that won't be the case, and also has promised to include a geological official on a new interagency executive oversight committee that will monitor the activities of the National Applications Office.

Mr. Devine says officials who vetted requests for the scientific community also are worried about the civil-liberties implications when DHS takes over the program. "We took very seriously our mission and made sure that there was no chance of inappropriate usage of the material," Mr. Devine says. He says he hopes oversight of the new DHS program will be "rigorous," but that he doesn't know what would happen in cases of complaints about misuse.


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It looks like it's time to study those Russian anti-spy satellite countermeasures and procedures a little more closely.

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Post by joel the ornery » Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:06 am

i hope they spy on my johnson.

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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:48 pm

joel the ornery wrote:i hope they spy on my johnson.

I dont think there is a magnifying glass powerful enough for that. :lol:
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:54 pm

You people just don't appreciate the brilliance of Clinton. We just ask the Chinese to shoot down the satellites with the tech that he gave them. I'm sure that he planned it that way all along. :mrgreen:
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Post by karlkye » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:27 pm

tax an spend

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Post by Finnegan » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:57 pm

Yeah, except it's now Borrow and Spend. Know anyone who has an interest in Interest, or the relative value of the Dollar to the Euro, let's say? Our kids get to pay this off, if they live so long.

We are pretty much farked, and there's no end to the debt we continue to rack up. Look to our Chinese masters to decide if our economy completely tanks or not. (For those of you keeping score at home, the Chinese are COMMUNIST, and our avowed enemy. And yet, they hold the lion's share of out debt. At any time, they can decide, "You know? We think Euros are a better investment.", and completely pull out of our economy. And then it collapses.)

Got kids? They're already paying for it!

I'm just sayin. Rack up as much debt as possible in the next year or so, cuz it's all FREE until the shit hits the fan. It's gonna hurt real people, but it will hurt the "investor class" even more. And that will be glorious. Anyone remember 1929? Apparently not.

To further this rant:
The only thing that forced the FDR Administration to adopt the FDIC and other economic (sanity) capitulations, was the very real threat of social upheaval and revolution. They were scared shitless that the 'working class' was about to say, Fuck This! Burn the banks and be done with it! There was that sort of feeling in the air, if you can even imagine.

The similarities to the late 1920's in our own decade are fairly striking. A revolution or something equally scary to the investing class, is probably exactly what we need.

Just sayin. Torch is lit.
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