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Post by can't sit still » Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:11 pm

. The banks created "money" at a blinding speed. They thought that they could pass all the exposure to investors. It didn't happen that way. The banks created a big part of this mess and they're taking it in the shorts.
Warren Buffet came out and said that this is poetic justice.
The pols are really spooked because there is nothing that they can do to actually stop the train.
American ingenuity has been inventing labor saving devices for the last 50 years,,,, and trying to keep full employment at the same time. :?: Then, they got rid of those stinky manufacturing jobs. Then, they shipped out the high paying jobs. Then, they sent the capital to provide infrastructure centered in cheap labor markets.
Then, they goosed the economy so that they could suck in 80% of the world's savings. We've been pretty sucessful at hosing the rest of the world.
BUT, when all is said and done, the US has been hollowed out. We have no savings and we got rid of the good jobs. At the bottom of everything, the price of a house has to reflect the wages in the area. The wages are gone and the price of a house will never return to the highs of a couple of years ago.
Most everybody knows this. there are still millions of foreclosures to come. When people see that the prices won't come back, they won't continue to pay 400K for a 200K house.
Housing graphs http://goofyblog.net/historic-household ... me-prices/

More nice graphs,,, price of a house in gold; http://investmenttools.com/median_and_a ... the_us.htm

There used to be a negative attitude attached to someone who had a BK. Now a BK is just like a divorce,,, everyone has had one.
People are just too stressed out and they don't feel that it is worth it to kill themselves for a house.
Nothing that the pols do will keep people in a house that is worth half of what they agreed to pay for it. The banks have only had 7 months of this. It will continue for at least another 2 years. They can't possibly bleed capital for another 2 years.
There are $450 trillion of derrivatives looking for a safe haven. It's melting away like a popsicle left in the sun.
Gold has gone up 20% a year for the last few years. The International Monetary Fund is selling it's gold for paper so that it can get a return on investment. With that kind of desperation, the politicos are looking rather panicked. I expect to see some interesting antics from pols everywhere. Unfortunately, war is the usual escape and diversion offered in this kind of situation.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:17 pm

Sorry Can't Sit Still. You make a good point, but I need to post this first.
DVD Burner wrote:That looks like it is going to be intense.


Thanks for posting.

I look forward to seeing it.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=18952113

It explains why I believe that the soldiers were as much a victim as those they terrorized. The Government knows what goes on when they give the power of torture to people without guidelines. The Dark Side is an easy step away. All power including the extension of the Homeland security act should always have check and balances. This admin, FBI, CIA, DEA, local and state police and the other unknown departments that can spy will forget about our constitutional rights and they will be willing to kill anyone if they can get away with it. They Lie all the time! Add in a judge and prosecutor, you will find no justice. You will have to defend yourself and die for it. Luckily there is something that can get justice if you use it correctly- the internet!

Someone got away with murder and it wasn't these lowly soldiers- it was the Bush Administration!!!!!!

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Post by can't sit still » Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:41 pm

Zeus, that site is a good read. If you read the work of Rupert Sheldrake, you get the idea that we're all connected. The work of Josephson from Cambridge corroborates this. We seem to end up with prevailing attitudes that are "produced" by large groups of people. If you read on the Princeton "egg" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Con ... ss_Project it goes even further.
We seem to be entering a stage where LE seems to think that everyone is against them. There was a vid of a bunch of cops laughing about shooting a woman as she tried to hide behind a cardboard protest sign. LE seems to have taken the attitude that any kind of disagreement with the PTB is an automatic reason for stonning. It's happening all around the country. Considering the suicide rate for GIs, they seem to be suffering from a collective psycoses.
It's a rough time for mental health.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:40 pm

Can't sit still, I do have to say that gold should stay strong if the feds don't start dumping it to pay for the economy.

I do think that the "Turn that House" money might stay in the stock market until after the Stimulus-Meth plan smokes out this summer. Some of it will be going into gold right now. But gold seems flat right now wondering what the feds will do. Until the hosing market sets a real bottom after its drops and you may be right it might be another two years or more, then watch the stocks really drop as their money move out of the stock. I think we are in a limbo on all markets right now where you just see alot of voltility of a few hundred points going up and down.

Lots of money to be made here, but you need to the watch market constantly. I don't have that kind of time looking at the feeds. But it is a bull market of three months of downward movement. Not a place to buy for the long term until after this summer. But still a good place to short.

I'm gong to see the movie, "Taxi ride to the Dark Side" as soon as it gets here. You should check it.

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Post by can't sit still » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:50 pm

Zeus, October 2 1/2 years ago the US sold the last of 4 billion ounces of silver that it had in the vaults. I bought 2 weeks after it was all gone. The 4 B ou. had caused a LONG depression of prices. I bought at $7.50.
The Wilshire index is showing broad declines http://www.wilshire.com/Indexes/IndexComparison.pdf For those who aren't familiar, the Wilshire index is more comprehensive than the DJ.
The pols have great faith in the stimulus package. The economists don't share their optimism. Each time that they've tried to goose the economy lately, It's had a smaller and smaller effect.
The curent problem is that the banks are losing so much money that they aren't loaning to anyone. They're using it to cover losses. The banks aren't letting out any money. The consumer has put his wallet away. The foreign investors are staying away.
The FED went and lowered the interest rate just to save the banks. Fuck the consumer/dollar/ homeowner. When Barnanke lowered the FED rate, the LIBOR rate went up. The LIBOR rate is the one that causes resets in the mortgage rate.
This was a foregone conclusion known to all. If they wanted to help the consumer, they would have left the FED rate alone. So, the MO out of DC is save GoldMan-Sachs, burn the mortgage payers.
Our political system has gone through such a metamorphosis [like our economy], that it is doubtful that it can return to a healthy state.
The PTB don't even try to deceive. They burn the consumer, burn the dollar,,, and don't even try to hide it.
There are so many elections stolen that they don't even bother to try to explain why exit polls are grossly different from voting "results"
GOV has become so distant and insulated that they don't care one bit that they're no longer representing their constituents. The recently seated Dem Congress is a good example.
Britian is the same. They don't even pretend to listen to the populace.
Will this lead to complete totalitarianism? Socialism? GOV is so consumed with building and maintaining Big Brother that it's completely estranged from the populace.
US GOV has siphoned off money from all over the world to keep itself rolling. The world is finite. At what point will GOV cut back? When the need for a cutback becomes apparent, will GOV demand to be unfettered for the greater good? Will it burn the populace to maintain it's power base?
Will north America become another North Korea where everything is sacrificed to keep the military and GOV in power?
Does the example of North Korea show that armed rebellion is no longer feasible? Dunno, Dan
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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:07 pm

New Bill To Allow Police Misconduct Be Hidden From Public


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A new bill proposed at the legislature would allow for police to withhold misconduct reports from the public. Supporters of the bill believe that police misconduct should be kept secret from the public so to not discredit police testimony. Others say that a forthright police unit is essential to the community.

In September, Jared Massey was zapped with a taser by Trooper John Gardner. A video of the incident was recorded from Gardner’s patrol car. Gardner can be seen shocking Massey until he hits the ground while Massey’s wife screams from the side of their SUV.

More than a million people watched the video on “YouTube.â€
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:18 pm

Can't Sit Still, lets not forget the money sucked out of the economy into the vortex of the Iraq war. Someday, we will have to replace all those bombs, guns and bullets. Even the legacy of health care and rebuilding Iraq will linger for decades- or a hundred years if McCain gets in.

DVD, I know all about LEO's without checks and balances.

I too am a victim!

Now I someone had suggested there is a judge, District Attorney, and detective involved with a political motive behind it all!

Someone doesn't like my free speech rights!

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Oh, by the way, they're Republicans!

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Post by can't sit still » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:00 pm

Zeus, This is an essay that I wrote for a blog. One has to keep in mind that money spent on war materials is essentially taken out of ciculation. It makes the home country that much poorer.


THE FIRST STEP INTO DARKNESS JAN 27, 08

The Viet Nam war has been rehashed ad infinitum. But, what about a historical assesment of how it affected America's economic future? After WWII, we had the Korean war. It was too short to really make a difference.
Viet Nam has a lot of oil off their coast. The US made a big deal about preserving democracy in South Viet Nam. The US public believed the GOV.
The early sixties were a time of openness and relative innocense. Wages were going up and prosperity was here.
The Viet Nam war was politicised and turned into a quagmire. The public became disillusioned and unsupportive. The draft had to be instituted because America didn't have enough people who believed that creeping communism in Asia had anything to do with the safety of America.
Before WW II, America didn't have a defense industry. Roosevelt drug us into WWII to secure markets for American goods. After the war, America was left with a huge military-industrial complex that didn't want to just shuffle off into history.
The munitions industry that supplied ammonia nitrate for explosives had to make ammonia nitrate for fertiliser. Other companies made heavy equipment. This just wasn't enough to make them happy or rich.
Korea showed the Mil-Ind complex that their "salvation" lay in war production. Since a wartime operation of the country tends to concentrate power in the hands of the executive branch, the presidents weren't against war. Since war profiteers make big contributions to lawmakers, congress wasn't against war.
But, what about the common man? The common man would prefer to believe that his government is not engaged in wholesale killing for the sake of profit or conquest.

In Viet Nam, soldiers would repeatedly take an area and then relinquish it. The next week, they would have to take it again. It became obvious that destruction of war supplies was the basis of strategic decisions. When military commanders were hamstrung to prevent them from implementing successful strategies, the profit motive became all too apparent.

Americans became dis-illusioned. We were naked aggressors who killed for profit. We lost our illusions about being the "good guy" on the world stage. It battered our collective psyche to know that we were killing millions. It aggravated us to no end that we couldn't do anything about it. We turned inward and insular. American society became poisoned knowing that our foreign policy was directed to prevent world peace.

We are the masters of war. The Mil-Ind complex that Ike had warned us about had taken control. Pax Americana was a whore for the profits of the war industries and banking.

Before Viet Nam, we had a healthy economy. Since military expendatures are generally blown up in the end, military spending doesn't benefit the economy. Generally speaking, military spending is done from lending , not wealth.
The economy was healthy in the early sixties. The war in Viet Nam made it necessary to creat money to prosecute,,, and drag out the war for maximum profits.
The world economy was healthy in the early sixties. We had the Bretton-Woods agreement that tied all currencies to the US currency,,, and the US currency to gold. We had stability and very low inflation. Viet Nam changed all that.
Because of the massive money creation to finance the war, the US currency fell sharply in value. The French noticed this and demanded gold for payments. There was no way to preserve or redeem the value of the dollar and Nixon was forced to abolish the link between the dollar and gold.

The Viet Nam war , created and prosecuted for the profits of the Mil-Ind complex was directly responsible for the destruction of the world monetary system.
The war profiteers have once [actually several times] again dragged us into a war that makes them lots of money. The main issue is somewhat changed this time. We're dedicated to destroying Israel's enemies at the same time that we send lots of profit to the masters of war. We could buy all the oil in Iraq for far less than the cost of the war.

Like any other cancer, the war industries is more than willing to kill it's host. The same is true for Israel. Survive at any cost, even if the host dies.
The US is now bankrupt. This isn't anything new. But now, our creditors have gotten tired of us creating wars so that we can "protect" them from enemies. They want a better system that is not dictated by groups that profit greatly from endless distruction and killing.

Remember the golden rule; those who have the gold make the rules. The money has shifted from the west to the east. The day will come when our creditors will cut us off. The east will say "dismantle your war machine"
The US may try to emulate North Korea and keep it's empire at the cost of impoverishing it's populace or it might bow out gracefully. Who knows?

The collective US psyche is taking quite a beating. We feel the GOV is our adversary, when it should be our patron. Is it any wonder that we have turned to "me-ism" and escapism?
GOV is supposed to provide stability and continuity. Very few people have any faith that retirement will bring anything but grinding poverty. Social Security and pension funds have been looted by the inflation that was necessary to prosecute wars that would never have happened if they had been required to depend on taxes for funding.

Those in the know realise that no fiat currency will survive in the long run. The Dept. of Agriculture reports that there is <13> food insecurity in the US. Those in the know see that GOV is absolutely pannicked about the economy. They also know that there are DIY euthanasia clinics in Britain. Will they come here?

The US is up against a wall. The Comptroller-General David Walker is trying to tell people that we're broke. The people, and GOV especially, don't want to hear it. Clinton says that we're going to have universal health care. When you hear things like that, you get the feeling that GOV is going to march us right to the edge of the cliff with no hesitation.

The first step towards darkness was letting the Mil-Ind-bank complex drag us into Viet Nam as a war for profit. The destruction to the American Republic and American psyche was the natural outcome. David Walker has now given up and resigned.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:22 am

can't sit still wrote:
More nice graphs,,, price of a house in gold; http://investmenttools.com/median_and_a ... the_us.htm
We're too poor to build our house out of gold, but we painted it to look like that. (Really.) Does that count?

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Post by can't sit still » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:21 pm

Ugly, if you have painted your house gold,,, it most certainly does count. :lol:

We all know that the internet has huge amounts of info that the powers that be would prefer to keep hidden. Everybody knows that a few countries went offline in the middle-east when 4--9? cables were cut somehow. The Pentagon refers to the net as a weapon that might be used by or against them.
There's always the nagging question of censorship in the back of the mind. You wonder when the filtering is going to start [China style] Thailand? filters so that you can't say any bad about the king.
Truthout says that filtering has started for them.

"Currently, AOL- and Microsoft-related email providers, including Hotmail, are preventing delivery of a range of Truthout communications to thousands of our subscribers. Such communications include Truthout's regular newsletters and notifications to our subscribers from individual workstations of Truthout administrators informing those subscribers that they are affected."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/091307Z.shtml
Is this the beginning of the end for independant journalism or is it just a blip?
There is a lot of agitation to start forming "States Militria" Filtiring the net would put a real crimp in that movement.
Some SOB Rep from New York has re-introduced his universal service bill. He wants everyone between the ages of 18 and 42 to be eligible for draft into GOV service. I'm sure that that idea could be VERY selectively implemented.
Everyone who has ever shown any kind of backbone could be drafted to clean toliets in DC. :( There just doesn't seem to be any limits to the depravity of GOV.
I don't mind good depravity but our deciders seem to only conjure up bad depravity. Dan
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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:21 pm

Kinetic V wrote:Nothing to see here...

All I know is that he makes my point perfectly clear.
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Post by can't sit still » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:44 pm

This is really going to cause a stink;

ILWU to Shut Down West Coast Ports May 1 Demanding End to War in Iraq, Afghanistan
by Internationalist Group ( internationalistgroup [at] msn.com )
Saturday Mar 1st, 2008 4:13 PM
In a major step for the U.S. labor movement, the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) has announced that it will shut down West Coast ports on May 1, to demand an immediate end to the war and occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan and the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the Middle East. This is the first time in decades that an American union has decided to undertake industrial action against a U.S. war. The action announced by the powerful West Coast dock workers union, to stop work to stop the war, should be taken up by unions and labor organizations throughout the United States and internationally. And the purpose of such actions should be not to beg the bourgeois politicians whose hands are covered with blood, having voted for every war budget for six and a half years, but a show of strength of the working people who make this country run, and who can shut it down!
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Post by Rolan Headon » Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:52 pm

Hated the system since the early teens, no before. Every reason I was counter culture in the '60's has gotten worse even as the counter culture counted its money almost immeadiately anyway...but I think to never vote, even in local elections is to rub vaseline on your ass. Pathetic as the choices are, as fast as we charge off the cliffs...they LOVE when we don't vote. Do you think small arms and your Anarchists Cookbook will really change anything? Not talking to anyone in particular here and information is great stuff, when it doesn't block the flow like ice in the stream, as Buddha supposedly warned. Guess I'm just curious what you guys envision to replace democracy (or would actual democracy be of any value. Apologize for jumping in on last page here,and not to say I disagree with indictments offered here and I will be reading back over and oh hell don't even know why I'm tappin here when I'm wanted elsewhere. Wonder what the old Wobblie friends of my old relatives would have thought after all their unionizing of this fuck democracy thinking
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Post by DVD Burner » Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:58 pm

Not my idea but, a true democracy is following the rules of the constitution.


Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, Powell and the bunch were supposed to be charged with TREASON, tried and executed.

That is the law of the land.

it would be nice if Americans could follow their own rules.

But they cant do that because they are a bunch of sheep.
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Post by Rolan Headon » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:42 pm

By the way George Carlin is a true American hero and I don't mean to be cranky and the parallels between Amerika and Rome are obvious to all thoughtful etc, etc and I'm not trying to stir yer position DVD. If I was black I'd be a mad bomber...just to mention one stepped on group.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:53 pm

Color makes not the difference, intelligence and balls do.


That's the only thing that gets me upset is seeing wimpy Americans that have not the spine to enforce their own laws and/or make new ones so not to face the truth and prefer staying in denial.
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Post by can't sit still » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:19 pm

I see the govenor is in trouble for prostitutes,,, DUUUUUHHHHH. In New York, you can't get involved with prostitutes without the mob knowing about it. Everyone knows that many east coast companies are all funded with mob money. Brown-Ferris Industries is a good example. The Gov started investigating all the financial dirty-dealings that caused the credit meltdown. I guess that the mob didn't want him taking a close look at their books.
Well, if you're going to swim with sharks, you're going to get bit in the ass every now and then. :lol:
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:51 am

I think it's fabulous.

America may have to just start thinking about the freedoms and rights of sex workers.

What do you think?

American politics, i just love it.

Dont you?
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:54 am

I love hangin with sex workers by the way.

I hang with them all the time.

(If only one knew.)

And i am sure there are those that dont believe me.


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Post by can't sit still » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:12 am

Well, Cheney went to Saudi to demand support for the israeli war against Iran. The king told him to take a hike and get the nukes out of Israel. As the US becomes more of a toothless tiger, more people will resist the US hegemon.
We spent ourselves into a hole to buy time to light up Iran,,, for israel. We're too broke to push around the world,,, they might stop extending us credit. This is a turning point.
The Sauds can sell oil anywhere they want. The US can't be picky where they buy oil. The US has run out of time. We desperately needed to subdue Iraq and build a base so that we could intimidate the middle-east. One, for the oil and two to protect israel and burn Iraq. The timetable slipped. Greenspan goosed the economy to buy more time.
We still haven't lit up Iran. Israel is panicked. The european Jewish bankers who own the FED have tried to put off the crash as long as possible. Still no base.
Congress will have to chose between maintaining bases all over the world and preserving America.
Now, with Russia, China and Saudi against a war with Iran, Cheney and Lieberman have their tails between their legs.
Israel is known for desperate measures. There is always the possibility that they will just nuke Iran and let the cards fall where they may. They would expect the US to back them. Israel has no problem with letting the US commit suicide.
Fallon said that there would be no war with Iran whil he was commander of the forces in the middle east. Bush got rid of him and is refusing to let congress talk to him.
Our army is too beat to invade Iran. No matter how you look at it, nukes seem to be the only option for the US or Israel.
Israel is , for all intents and purposes, a theocracy. Theocracies are know for being impractical, immoral, and generally stupid. It's impossible to say that israel won't start a nuclear war.
This turning point with the Sauds may force israel to treat the goyim like humans. It may force them to desperation. Who knows?
The jews are firm believers in the old testament. Examine what the jews did to the British in the 40s and what they've done to the arabs ever since. The bible says "as you sow, so shall you reap"
Of course, this applies to the US as well. Our empire has killed millions everywhere.
Stay tuned for further developments,,,,, Dan
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:11 am

I suggest going on a vacation to a third world country and taking notes; this may be life in the American 21st century.

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:18 am

why did the jewish banker cross the road?







ans: To kill Jesus and enslave the Entire Globe, Duh....
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Post by can't sit still » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:00 pm

Ugly, Goldman-Sachs is now holding about 90 trillion in derrivatives and seem to have a key to the back door to the US treasury. When the dust settles, the dollar will be worthless. It's not hard to picture the US as a third world country. It IS hard to picture the US as a happy third world country, Take your dollars and buy what you can; http://www.newswithviews.com/Robinson/art1.htm
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Post by DVD Burner » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:46 am

Who knows what the deal is with Condi?


She pulled a cool move this week.


I never ever liked her until this week.



I should have not said that huh?

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Post by can't sit still » Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:49 pm

The latest scuttlebut;
"This brings us to the leaked news of the next US attack that is still pending against Iran, scheduled for 4 am on the morning of April 6th that is scheduled to last until 4 pm of that same day. "
http://www.rense.com/general81/apoc.htm
http://www.rense.com/general81/sudden.htm
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:33 am

can't sit still wrote:The latest scuttlebut;
"This brings us to the leaked news of the next US attack that is still pending against Iran, scheduled for 4 am on the morning of April 6th that is scheduled to last until 4 pm of that same day. "
http://www.rense.com/general81/apoc.htm
http://www.rense.com/general81/sudden.htm
Leaked on the first of this month.
But hey, have fun with it.

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