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Post by Elderberry » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:34 am

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jkisha wrote:I guess you can't trust IQ scores. I wonder who took the tests for him? I have never met the man, but I have heard him speak for the last 8 years--he is not the brightest bulb in the lamp.

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are you suggesting that eloquence is the only possible indicator of intelligence ???? ie, that it is not possible to be intelligent AND a lousy public speaker?

conversely ... does every smooth-talking politician necessarily have a serious, deeply thoughtful mind?
No, I'm not talking about eloquence at all--that would be far beyond the capabilities of GWB. I'm just talking about being able to put a coherent sentence or a thought together. And yes, I would consider that an indicator of intelligence.

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Post by littleflower » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:45 am

jkisha wrote:No, I'm not talking about eloquence at all--that would be far beyond the capabilities of GWB. I'm just talking about being able to put a coherent sentence or a thought together. And yes, I would consider that an indicator of intelligence.

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you do not know the man. speaking in person is very, very different from speaking in front of the press ... knowing that they will take phrases out of context and spin them however they want ...

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Post by Elderberry » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:13 am

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jkisha wrote:No, I'm not talking about eloquence at all--that would be far beyond the capabilities of GWB. I'm just talking about being able to put a coherent sentence or a thought together. And yes, I would consider that an indicator of intelligence.

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you do not know the man. speaking in person is very, very different from speaking in front of the press ... knowing that they will take phrases out of context and spin them however they want ...
What are you talking about??????

I'm not talking about 'sound bites'. I'm talking about listening to him speak--not only give speeches (which he has trouble even reading), but entire press conferences. Nothing can be taken out of context. He is not a bright bulb and certainly not an inspiring leader--except to the 'christian thinking' sort.

I really doubt that this is debatable to any person that has their hearing and a high-school education.

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Post by littleflower » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:58 pm

i agree that he is a lousy leader and lousy public speaker.

i am a bit more cautious in applying the term "stupid", though.

certainly, his education is superior to mine ... i went UC, not ivy league ... an MBA from harvard is no little thing ...

so where did you go to school?

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Post by Elderberry » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:27 pm

littleflower wrote: an MBA from harvard is no little thing ...

so where did you go to school?
It is when your daddy paid for it.

Cleveland Institute of Music and Case-Western Reserve; why?

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Post by dr.placebo » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:18 pm

W is characterized as being a bit dim partly because he has an antagonistic relationship with the English language, and partly because he makes some really idiotic decisions (the invasion of Iraq simply being the worst, not a unique case).

I don't think that his education record is all that good or all that relevant. There are people I've met, without regard to political persuasion, who have worse education and have far better minds, as well as the reverse.

W should be judged in totality. His words AND his actions are those of a shallow and incurious man, completely out of his depth.

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Post by littleflower » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:36 pm

dr.placebo wrote:W is characterized as being a bit dim partly because he has an antagonistic relationship with the English language, and partly because he makes some really idiotic decisions (the invasion of Iraq simply being the worst, not a unique case).

I don't think that his education record is all that good or all that relevant. There are people I've met, without regard to political persuasion, who have worse education and have far better minds, as well as the reverse.

W should be judged in totality. His words AND his actions are those of a shallow and incurious man, completely out of his depth.
there are, of course, some very intelligent people who would disagree with your assessment, dr. but i will not argue with your opinion ...

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Post by Elderberry » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:01 pm

littleflower wrote: there are, of course, some very intelligent people who would disagree with your assessment, dr. but i will not argue with your opinion ...
Somehow I doubt that.

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Post by Elderberry » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:49 pm

funny stuff.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:13 pm

littleflower wrote:i agree that he is a lousy leader and lousy public speaker.

i am a bit more cautious in applying the term "stupid", though.

certainly, his education is superior to mine ... i went UC, not ivy league ... an MBA from harvard is no little thing ...

so where did you go to school?
GWB IQ has been published and it below the bell curve.

He's a fucking idiot and it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out, but you would have to be above the curve to do so.

I guess you're not!

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PS- his dad is about 10 points higher- he too wasn't the brightest bulb on campus either!

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Post by can't sit still » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:21 pm

Well, looking forward; "Theres going to be a crisis which will come along on the 21st, 22nd of January which we don't even know about right now!" -Colin Powell
http://www.rense.com/general83/crisis.htm Never boring 8)
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Post by littleflower » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:21 pm

you are correct, i am an idiot. the only thing i know for sure is that there is one helluva lot of stuff i do not know. oh, and my name. but those are two things several people around here do not know.

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Post by littleflower » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:37 pm

gotta bump this ... spiritual warfare ... thanks for the laugh, doc!

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Post by dr.placebo » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:36 am

I know that I've been a liberal pest on several of the politics threads here, but I wanted to depart from citations and countercitations and put a more human face on the contest. I found this recently on poltico.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ ... ml?showall). The part that got me was:
For me the most moving moment came when the family in front of me, comprising probably 4 generations of voters (including an 18 year old girl voting for her first time and a 90-something hunched-over grandmother), got their turn to vote. When the old woman left the voting booth she made it about halfway to the door before collapsing in a nearby chair, where she began weeping uncontrollably. When we rushed over to help we realized that she wasn't in trouble at all but she had not truly believed, until she left the booth, that she would ever live long enough to cast a vote for an African-American for president.
I care about the outcome of this election, but I will never be able to care as much as that woman.

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Post by lurker » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:06 am

GWB IQ has been published and it below the bell curve.
It have? Where it been publish? Lowenstein Institute?

Maybe someone else below bell curve too
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Post by Elderberry » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:58 am

I was surprised and pleased to hear that the RNC Fund raising Committee pulled the funding for all of Congresswomen Bachmann's TV ads for the comments she made on the Chris Matthews show.

This should banish her to oblivion; and good riddance.

Kudos to the RNC, now if they would show the same integrity when it comes to McCain....

Now Bachmann is blaming what she said on Chris Matthews, saying that he 'set her up'. Ya, right. :roll:

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:16 am

can't sit still wrote:Well, looking forward; "Theres going to be a crisis which will come along on the 21st, 22nd of January which we don't even know about right now!" -Colin Powell
http://www.rense.com/general83/crisis.htm Never boring 8)
It was the interviewer who brought up that date. That's shortly after Inauguration Day.
Of course, the transition will be a crisis. Nothing new here. Move along, folks.

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Post by littleflower » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:36 pm

just curious to know what the obama-will-balance-the-budget crowd thinks of this piece:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122480790550265061.html

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Post by dr.placebo » Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:36 pm

Frankly, the spending proposed bothers me as well. At this point there is no one with a national following willing to be rational about economic balance. But we have had enough of tax cuts and lavish spending in the last two Bush terms to convince me that it is unlikely to be worse with the D's. After all, the last time we had a surplus it was with a D president who was also reviled by the R's for being a liberal.

Personally I'm something of a (John Maynard) Keynesian. That means one tries for a balance, but is willing to run a deficit in bad times and run a surplus in good times. To get to a balance one has to pay for what one gets. It is in large part a broad based unwillingness to either pay enough or to spend less, cutting across all party and class lines, that has brought us to this economic meltdown. Well, that plus a general cult of dishonesty and greed.

There is something in cited article from the Cato that strikes me as being inconsistent. The proposed cap-and-trade for carbon emissions is estimated as $100 billion, and the article claims that it will be a "steep tax" on various energy intensive sectors. But that cost is quite low compared to the US energy budget, the GDP, and even the incremental cost of the inevitable oil price spike that will return when the economy recovers. And if the proposed plan is followed the real cost should be much less because there will be expansion in renewable energy production in the US that should start to lower energy costs. I could put people to sleep about energy policy, but it's another example of being willing to pay for what you get. Business-as-usual for energy is not sustainable.

I'm hoping for a pragmatic Obama to emerge. He has shown a great deal of promise and thoughtfulness in running his campaign. What I've seen of McCain does not encourage me, since he's thrown in with the same crowd that has been in power for the last 8 years, and he has shown a distressing tendency towards volatility, and a truly awful choice in his running mate.

I could be wrong, and I'm sure that I'll be disappointed in something over the next 4 years regardless, but that's how I'm placing my bets.

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Post by lurker » Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:37 am

After all, the last time we had a surplus it was with a D president
...and an R Congress.

Gridlock.

Want a surplus? Try Gridlock again. If legislation can only get passed by being okay to both sides all the stupidity that both parties revel in gets killed.

Gridlock.

Vote McCain for the peace of stagnation.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:45 am

Sorry Lurker, I know why you are so bitter....it has become Quite evident to anyone with half a brain (GW does NOT get it, since he is working with only 49.99%) that not only is Barack Obama going to win in a LAND fucking SLIDE but that his coat-tails will be full of DEMOCRATS and many of them FIRST TIMERS replacing republican seats...We WILL have a majority in both houses, and i think you know this....

it is FINISHED, so put the vitriol back in the jar and seal it for another four years, because your point of view is rapidly becoming akin to the McCain campaign, it is irrelevant.


nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.
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Post by lurker » Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:49 am

Well, I guess you're right. The Obama supporters aren't just threatening violence--they're delivering--

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/new ... tail.html#
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:52 am

i had a feeling you would bring up that "story".


i'll bet you 100$ that it vets out to be untrue. It has the taste of "Willie Horton" all over it....it's a plant.

my god, even the "B" that was supposed to be carved in her cheek is BACKWARDS as if done in a mirror....how fucking pathetic.


just like Joe being an actual Plumber with a License.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:54 am

trying to bring out that ole time "birth of a Nation" black man beating/ rapin' on a white woman Hysteria, huh....
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Post by lurker » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:24 am

Did you know that Birth of a Nation is considered the first 'motion picture'--i.e. it had a plot. Up until then most stuff was shorts to illustrate the moving of the moving pictures.

And c'mon, Obama supporters HAVE been threatening violence should Obama not be elected--that sure isn't any 'plant'.

But yes, we will see.

And it's funny how it's a 'Willie Horton' thing--I bet the person that he murdered when he was out on the furlough laughs all the time about that kinda thing.

Rs made that about murder. Ds ignored the corpse in favor of calling Rs racist for noticing that a D let a murdering animal wander around free on 'vacation' from jail.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:26 am

it's garbage and you know it Lurker, stop being coy and cute, it doesnt wear well on you.
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Post by goathead » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:32 am

Simon of the Playa wrote: it is FINISHED, so put the vitriol back in the jar and seal it for another four years
But what fun would that be?
Isn't it part of a healthy breakfast?
With BACON...

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:34 am

As an Accredited Spin Doctor, i suggest you take two Bill Moyers, and call me in the morning.
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Post by goathead » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:51 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:As an Accredited Spin Doctor, i suggest you take two Bill Moyers, and call me in the morning.
I would rather have an apple.

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