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[Sail Man]

What Israel did today was nothing like they went through in WW2.

May I introduce you to the Ustashe?



http://www.thenagain.info/webchron/east ... he.CP.html

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Ustashe

[Sail Man]

Actually Hamas did abide by the cease fire.


I posted these facts days ago.

So, was it then the Gaza Boys Club that was launching the rockets into Israel? And why wasnt Hamas able to stop these rocket launches?

[DVD Burner]

Dont see what Israel is doing today has to do with WWII except for the fact that they are the Nazi's these days.

[DVD Burner]

Actually Hamas did abide by the cease fire.


I posted these facts days ago.

So, was it then the Gaza Boys Club that was launching the rockets into Israel? And why wasnt Hamas able to stop these rocket launches?

The bottle rockets were in retaliation to Israels first strikes.

Didn't you keep up with the news?

Israel lied and said Hamas was "setting up rocket launchers".

Israel does a lot of lie-ing these days.

Here's another fact, Hamas has been the only ones to keep the peace in Gaza over the past year. Fatah has never been able to accomplish that.

Here's another fact, Hamas was VOTED INTO OFFICE BY THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE.

Makes no difference who does not like it. It's the way democracy works and is.

[Sail Man]

Dont see what Israel is doing today has to do with WWII except for the fact that they are the Nazi's these days.

Israel was and is continuing to fight for it's survival. I an not Jewish but I do support them.

Nazi's? I say cast your eyes towards Darfur, and look what the Janjaweed at the behest of the Sudanese Gov't is doing to the people there. Is that not genocide on a far greater scale then the tit for tat between Israel and Hamas/Islamic Jihad et al.

[DVD Burner]

Israel was and is continuing to fight for it's survival.

Israel is nothing more than a bunch of wanna be thugs just like George Bush and Cheney.


They are creating their own problems.
Not to mention all the land they are stealing from the Palestinians over there.

It's neither here nor there anyway, Israel will cease to exist soon.

[Sail Man]

Actually Hamas did abide by the cease fire.


I posted these facts days ago.

So, was it then the Gaza Boys Club that was launching the rockets into Israel? And why wasnt Hamas able to stop these rocket launches?

The bottle rockets were in retaliation to Israels first strikes.

Bottle rockets don't kill. Like the news I read today reported.

[DVD Burner]

So, was it then the Gaza Boys Club that was launching the rockets into Israel? And why wasnt Hamas able to stop these rocket launches?

The bottle rockets were in retaliation to Israels first strikes.

Bottle rockets don't kill. Like the news I read today reported.

So you are denying that Israel struck first?

[Sail Man]

Israel was and is continuing to fight for it's survival.

Israel is nothing more than a bunch of wanna be thugs just like George Bush and Cheney.


They are creating their own problems.
Not to mention all the land they are stealing from the Palestinians over there.

It's neither here nor there anyway, Israel will cease to exist soon.

Like the rest of the middle east.

You really sound like your ready to go off and join the jihad. You obviously have a deep seated hatred for the Jewish nation. It's too bad your not as concerned about the arab militia slaughter of innocent civilians in Darfur. Maybe your tan comes from the tanning booth instead?

[DVD Burner]

Is Israel reprising the Lebanon war in Gaza?

Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:54am GMT

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews ... D420081229

By Dan Williams - Analysis

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's Gaza offensive, with its unprecedented toll on Palestinian lives and infrastructure, aims to pummel Hamas Islamists into a truce on terms more favourable to the Jewish state's long-term diplomatic goals.

Israeli officials have likened the aerial onslaught launched throughout the Gaza Strip on Saturday to the opening strategy of the 2006 Lebanese war, where a border ambush by Hezbollah guerrillas triggered a devastating surprise bombing campaign.

The fact Israeli troops and tanks then poured into Lebanon, gaining ground and pressuring the international community into imposing a cease-fire, suggests what might come next for Gaza if Hamas does not halt cross-border rocket attacks.

"There are definite similarities to what we are seeing now and the execution of the war in Lebanon," said Yigal Palmor, a spokesman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry.

Worried foreign powers have urged the resumption of an Egyptian-brokered truce which Hamas, chafing at an ongoing Gaza blockade, called off on December 19. The Israelis have other plans.

They are talking about absolute quiet, rather than the sporadic rocket salvoes which Hamas often used to back up demands for an end to the Gaza embargo or to warn Israel not to attack Palestinians in the occupied West Bank.

"We will not allow a return to the last seven years, the bad years," cabinet secretary Oved Yehezkel told Israel Radio.

For now, the Gaza assault appears to be largely free of the tactical setbacks that dogged Israel during the Lebanon war.

Fewer than half of Gaza's many dead are civilians, Israeli border towns are better prepared for reprisal barrages and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has avoided promising any big victories.

Yet Hamas, which survived several past Israeli assassination sprees against its leaders and whose rule in Gaza has been absolute since it routed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's secular Fatah faction there in 2007, still sounds undeterred.

Immiserated by near-constant fighting and privation, Gazans are hard to cow. By contrast, Lebanon in 2006 had enjoyed years of relative quiet and Hezbollah was vying for political support.

"Even if they hang us and our blood spreads on the streets of Gaza, and even if our bodies are dismembered ... we will not make concessions and we will not retreat," Ismail Haniyeh, who heads Hamas's administration in Gaza, said in televised remarks.

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Israel has brushed off Hamas's insistence that any new truce include lifting the embargo. Israeli officials have, further, hinted at their own new terms -- an end to Hamas's arms smuggling and the freeing of a captive soldier, Gilad Shalit

"Hamas knows our demands, and there's no use to talking about them publicly," said one Israeli defence official. "Until Hamas signals that it's ready to back down, all we can do is continue placing a hefty 'price tag' on its rocket attacks."

Yet Israel's relative reticence on terms may also mask uncertainty over how far this assault will go.

Although its forces have massed on the border, Israel is in no rush for a reoccupation of the congested, poor and deeply hostile Palestinian territory.

That means exhausting a "bank" of Hamas sites that can be bombed by the Israeli air force, although the Lebanon war showed such raids can suddenly push up the civilian casualty toll.

"What do we do when the target bank runs out? And what if we end up with another Kafr Qana?" asked one Israeli diplomat, referring to a village where the killing of dozens of unarmed Lebanese drained foreign support for driving back Hezbollah.

Whereas the Lebanon war ended in a U.N.-brokered cease-fire that beefed up a foreign peacekeeper force in Hezbollah's former heartland, Hamas has ruled out such a presence in Gaza.

According to the defence official, Israel has contingency plans for a sweep to crush Hamas and hand over Gaza to Abbas, who, unlike the Islamists, seeks coexistence with Israel.

But Palmor dismissed such an idea as "fringe idiocy": it would risk depicting Abbas as little more than an Israeli stooge.

"We want quiet, and for Israelis and Palestinians to be able to address their differences through dialogue," Palmor said, outlining a scenario that assumes the political primacy of Hamas can be curtailed.

Egypt, which also borders Gaza, has shown little desire to break with the embargo. Cairo could instead propose that Hamas submit to Abbas, in exchange for which Israel would end the Gaza offensive and ease economic restrictions on the territory.

Pending that, Israel appears to be targeting the Egypt-Gaza frontier as part of its effort to corner Hamas. Hundreds of smuggling tunnels that have allowed Gazans to circumvent the embargo may have been destroyed by Israel's bombing runs.

(Editing by Matthew Tostevin)

[Sail Man]

The bottle rockets were in retaliation to Israels first strikes.

Bottle rockets don't kill. Like the news I read today reported.

So you are denying that Israel struck first?

This tit for tat has been going on for many years now. Who is to say who drew first blood. My opinion is that Gaza militants uncontrolled by the Hamas militia reacting to Israels blockade of Gaza have disregarded the cease fire and continue to fire their "bottle rockets" with impunity. It's also too bad that their "bottle rockets" also killed Palestinian children.

[DVD Burner]

Like the rest of the middle east.

You really sound like your ready to go off and join the jihad. You obviously have a deep seated hatred for the Jewish nation. It's too bad your not as concerned about the arab militia slaughter of innocent civilians in Darfur. Maybe your tan comes from the tanning booth instead?

As I have said and posted many times on eplaya, this is not about Jews. It's about the nut cases that run Israel.

But as usual, the foolish route is chosen if I state anything that says what Israel is doing is wrong and as usual the fool route is to call me racist and or a Jew hater.

Fact is Israel is out and out wrong and will get their ass beat just like last time against Hezbollah.

Idiots never learn.

[Sail Man]

So tell me DVD, how do you propose to get 2 sworn enemies, that have been at each others throat since the age of Christ (not that I'm a religious person mind you) to put down their arms and come to an agreement? They both want the same bit of turf. Are they gonna do rock paper and scissors for it?

[DVD Burner]

This tit for tat has been going on for many years now. Who is to say who drew first blood. My opinion is that Gaza militants uncontrolled by the Hamas militia reacting to Israels blockade of Gaza have disregarded the cease fire and continue to fire their "bottle rockets" with impunity. It's also too bad that their "bottle rockets" also killed Palestinian children.

Again your facts are not.

You really ought to do more reading on the subject.
You're a nice guy, but you really dont know what you are talking about.
This after I have posted the facts here in this thread now for several years on the topic.
You can go as far back as one page to see what I have posted as according to the AP wire.

Hamas launched in retaliation to Israeli air strikes.

It's called self defense.

Please do some research before you press that submit button.

Thanks.

[Sail Man]

As I have said and posted many times on eplaya, this is not about Jews. It's about the nut cases that run Israel.

Nut cases abound. What about Mugabe in Zimbabwe? Chavez in Venezuela? Myanmar? North Korea? China? What about the peeps in those countries, doesn't they're suffering count as well?

[DVD Burner]

So tell me DVD, how do you propose to get 2 sworn enemies, that have been at each others throat since the age of Christ (not that I'm a religious person mind you) to put down their arms and come to an agreement? They both want the same bit of turf. Are they gonna do rock paper and scissors for it?

Again, you need to get your facts straight.

The fact is, before the British gave the land to Israel, everyone in that region got along fine.
It's only since 1947 there has been problems. Mostly caused by Israel and their stealing of Palestinian homes and land.

You should already know this.

[DVD Burner]

As I have said and posted many times on eplaya, this is not about Jews. It's about the nut cases that run Israel.

Nut cases abound. What about Mugabe in Zimbabwe? Chavez in Venezuela? Myanmar? North Korea? China? What about the peeps in those countries, doesn't they're suffering count as well?

Nice attempt at a diversion but we are speaking about the problem Israel is causing around the world.

[Sail Man]

Seems to me that back in the day before the Brits and all the Jewish and the Romans among other were kinda hanging out on the same turf, that Britain helped them move back onto.

But I also wanted to ask you, seeing that your so empathetic towards displaced peeps and all, whats you opinion on what happened to the native americans, the Indian nations that existed here a few years back, that have been placed on the back burners, the rez. I don't hear you espouceing for them as much. Why is that?

[Sail Man]

As I have said and posted many times on eplaya, this is not about Jews. It's about the nut cases that run Israel.

Nut cases abound. What about Mugabe in Zimbabwe? Chavez in Venezuela? Myanmar? North Korea? China? What about the peeps in those countries, doesn't they're suffering count as well?

Nice attempt at a diversion but we are speaking about the problem Israel is causing around the world.

As I asked you before, what is your solution?

[DVD Burner]

Seems to me that back in the day before the Brits and all the Jewish and the Romans among other were kinda hanging out on the same turf, that Britain helped them move back onto.

But I also wanted to ask you, seeing that your so empathetic towards displaced peeps and all, whats you opinion on what happened to the native americans, the Indian nations that existed here a few years back, that have been placed on the back burners, the rez. I don't hear you espouceing for them as much. Why is that?

I guess you are rather new to eplaya.

I'm Shinnecock. You really dont wanna go there.

[DVD Burner]

Nut cases abound. What about Mugabe in Zimbabwe? Chavez in Venezuela? Myanmar? North Korea? China? What about the peeps in those countries, doesn't they're suffering count as well?

Nice attempt at a diversion but we are speaking about the problem Israel is causing around the world.

As I asked you before, what is your solution?

Solution to what? Israel or the diversion you attempted to create?

If It's Israel, that's easy.

[Sail Man]

Seems to me that back in the day before the Brits and all the Jewish and the Romans among other were kinda hanging out on the same turf, that Britain helped them move back onto.

But I also wanted to ask you, seeing that your so empathetic towards displaced peeps and all, whats you opinion on what happened to the native americans, the Indian nations that existed here a few years back, that have been placed on the back burners, the rez. I don't hear you espouceing for them as much. Why is that?

I guess you are rather new to eplaya.

I'm Shinnecock. You really dont wanna go there.

Please. Enlighten me. BTW, my wife is Cherokee.
My blood is French Canadian/Indian.

I have a great deal more empathy and respect for the Native Americans in this land then I do for the Arabs of the Middle East. But I guess that is obvious.

[DVD Burner]

Please. Enlighten me. BTW, my wife is Cherokee.
My blood is French Canadian/Indian.

I have a great deal more empathy and respect for the Native Americans in this land then I do for the Arabs of the Middle East. But I guess that is obvious.

Pretty much all you need to know is what's left on Google. I'm Half Shinnecock. My Mother is full Shinnecock.
There are about 1900 or so of us left.
Our land was mostly turned into a Golf course and the rest is prime real estate in America.

It's called "The Hampton's".

[ygmir]

[Sail Man]

LM Fucking AO

[DVD Burner]

Guess that makes a great second diversion.

[ygmir]

bowing and nodding head in thanks.
to sailman

[DVD Burner]

Attacks on Gaza Spur Anti-Israel Protests Across Region

* DECEMBER 29, 2008

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1230512 ... lenews_wsj

By FARNAZ FASSIHI

BEIRUT, Lebanon -- Widespread demonstrations erupted across the Middle East, from Tehran to Beirut, in response to Israel's second day of bombing against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, sparking worry over wider regional unrest.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued a religious directive, or fatwa, calling on Muslims to stand up and defend Palestinians against Israel. Though Mr. Khamenei didn't spell out exactly what he intended, his comments were seized upon in Iran as the latest rallying cry against Israel.

An Iranian lawmaker, Ali Motahari, told Iran's state news agency IRNA that it was time for Iran and other Arab nations to go to war with Israel.

Over the weekend, images of bloody and maimed victims of the attacks plastered front pages of newspapers and played across Arab satellite channels.

Demonstrations against the attacks were staged in Arab capitals, including Beirut and Amman, Jordan. Protests turned violent in the Palestinian enclave of the West Bank. "I am very upset with what is happening in Gaza. The Israelis have no justification to kill people," said Aziza Sakr, a Lebanese lawyer.

In Damascus, Syria, more than 5,000 people took to the streets burning Israeli and American flags. In Jordan, protesters called for the deportation of Israel's ambassador. In Iran, students staged protests at universities. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood accused Arab leaders, particularly those with close ties to the U.S., of being culpable in Israel's attacks on Gaza.

A crowd of 1,000 protesters gathered outside the office of the United Nations in downtown Beirut, chanting "Death to Israel" and waving Palestinian flags.

Tensions were especially high in Lebanon, where the Shiite political and militant group Hezbollah fought a 34-day war with Israel in 2006.

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah criticized other Arab leaders for failing to show solidarity with Palestinians and warned that Israel may use the standoff with Hamas as an excuse to attack Lebanon. "We are not afraid. We are ready to face any aggression against our territory and dignity," Mr. Nasrallah said. He called for protests Monday in Beirut's Shiite suburb of Dahiyeh and across the Arab world.

Lebanon canceled leave for its troops. The state news agency reported that at least five Israeli warplanes flew low over south Lebanon on Sunday.

Analysts in Beirut said Hezbollah is unlikely to initiate an attack on Israel and drag Lebanon into another war, but they say that rogue militant groups, some from among extremists in the Palestinian camps in the country, might try to launch an attack from Lebanese territories into northern Israel.
—Nada Raad contributed to this article.

[Sail Man]

DVD, it's obviously been a spirited conversation enjoyed by myself, and others. Obviously, we disagree on the Middle East, but I suspect we would agree wholeheartedly on the issues affecting the repression on our blood relatives here in the good ole US of A. But I must be going to bed so this trailer park dwelling peon can go rescue rich white peeps in their McMansions in the suburbs from their bad stock picks.

Toodles.

[DVD Burner]

Watch how fucked up shits gonna get for Israel in the next few days, perhaps hours.

It's gonna get fucked up everywhere.

Tried to tell ya but you dont wanna hear it.