my mind begins to hum...

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat May 31, 2008 1:58 pm

options?

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat May 31, 2008 2:01 pm

The term "emergent" was coined by the pioneer psychologist G. H. Lewes, who wrote:

"Every resultant is either a sum or a difference of the co-operant forces; their sum, when their directions are the same -- their difference, when their directions are contrary. Further, every resultant is clearly traceable in its components, because these are homogeneous and commensurable. It is otherwise with emergents, when, instead of adding measurable motion to measurable motion, or things of one kind to other individuals of their kind, there is a co-operation of things of unlike kinds. The emergent is unlike its components insofar as these are incommensurable, and it cannot be reduced to their sum or their difference." (Lewes 1875, p. 412)(Blitz 1992)

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sat May 31, 2008 2:05 pm

Regarding strong emergence, Mark A. Bedau observes:

"Although strong emergence is logically possible, it is uncomfortably like magic. How does an irreducible but supervenient downward causal power arise, since by definition it cannot be due to the aggregation of the micro-level potentialities? Such causal powers would be quite unlike anything within our scientific ken. This not only indicates how they will discomfort reasonable forms of materialism. Their mysteriousness will only heighten the traditional worry that emergence entails illegitimately getting something from nothing."(Bedau 1997)

a lifestyle isn't something placed infront, behind oneself

it's a through

it's not the sum of it's parts... though it's impossible to perceive without them

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat May 31, 2008 2:28 pm

is it not obvious that atoms operate independant of the paradigm of x-y-z-reductionism of space?

this is your world... your body... the air, the stars, the waves, your junk, her junk, his junk

all of it

based on something that does anything but reaffirm x-y-z space

and hints at something else...

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sat May 31, 2008 2:35 pm

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sat May 31, 2008 2:37 pm

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat May 31, 2008 2:46 pm

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat May 31, 2008 2:48 pm

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat May 31, 2008 2:49 pm

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat May 31, 2008 3:53 pm

How does an irreducible but supervenient downward causal power arise, since by definition it cannot be due to the aggregation of the micro-level potentialities? Such causal powers would be quite unlike anything within our scientific ken.

bullshit. what's more microlevel than DNA?

question is, what's written can be read and written to be read, that shows connection to the helix?

every relevant advancement of life has been fully grounded in design

environmentally "knowledgeable" design

trees are aware of areodynamics

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat May 31, 2008 4:01 pm

Emergent processes or behaviours can be seen in many places, such as traffic patterns, cities, political systems of governance, cabal and market-dominant minority phenomena in politics and economics, organizational phenomena in computer simulations and cellular automata.

yet there's difference...

types of structures...

life creates self-renewing structure

they've begun a journey of ever building in the same place

laying road over and over

flora dedicated energy to creating atmosphere, tiny packets of self-generating information, and sometimes food for unarguably known and adapted to fellow life forms

accept dreamers as dreaming, pleasant or ill according to their inclination, and the world seems a place of silent, patient hope

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat May 31, 2008 4:12 pm

life is full of sudden transfiguration

unless your a psychologist

then it's rare

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:05 pm

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:07 pm

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:09 pm

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:17 pm

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:18 pm

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:44 pm

protean sac skin
held aloft; calcium; thick
curved... and curved again

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:54 pm

illusion, dellusion, preclusion...

temper temper

3 days, 3 hours, 3 minutes and counting

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:57 pm

the earth sings a language of it's own

shall we see if it hears me here?

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:34 pm

working... always working, the little critters:codependant:not like a zoo

in a zoo it's all "pits and pasties"

paste and caulk, caulk and dry

microphage... torrential microphage

or the ever marching army-shine-red

blood... the reason for you, the reason for me

ever-busy

working... working

and when a craving for new equipment,
something nice to work and continue the effort that is you

like little toolbox's from hand to tongue
complex hydrocarbons

protein

mmm... fat

when that craving comes, and all the little workers gather around and look at what you've brought them

will they see a pile of marshmellow hammers to work with?

screws that don't fit and blades that are stuck together in scrap?

what've the next day or the one after that?

do they have a glimmer of hope?

or, in the endless dedication, shall they resign to pick up the marshmellow hammers and go to work on you?

but hey, it's just a choice... you make it for them

perhaps merely the endurance to make it from one doorway to the next will suffice

hunger pangs of an intellect...

there's got to be more to know.

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:59 am

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:12 pm

nothing's more useless than vainworry

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:15 pm

and one's understanding of the universe is something to be coy with...

you can only let it out in snippetts

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:37 pm

expression in zerogravity, t'would cause acceleration, nes pas?

and my, my.... many are the manhours consumed by researching what's "cool"

what of dating yourself?

you're placing yourself

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:08 pm

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:24 pm

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:59 pm

"Artistic inspiration may provide a special category of the ecstatic vision:
traditionally in such cases the semi-divine Muses may transmit the visioning to their loyal followers.

Visions generally have more clarity than dreams,
but traditionally fewer psychological connotations.
The psychological mechanism to engender visionary perception and trance phenomena
is focussed intention and attention."

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:55 pm

mayavin wrote:psychological connotations

Psychology (from Greek: ÏˆÏ…Ï‡Î®, psychÄ“, "soul", "self" or "mind"; and Î»ÏŒÎ³Î¿Ï‚, logos, "speech" lit. "to talk about the psyche")

Connotation is a subjective cultural and/or emotional coloration in addition to the explicit or denotative meaning of any specific word or phrase in a language, i.e. emotional association with a word.

like, oooo, i love my words
or
FUck yOU WOrds