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Re: Busted Buddy

Post by Dustbuddy » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:28 pm

spectabillis wrote:
HughMungus wrote:
Rockdad wrote:Lets have a moderator look at today's IP's and make the call before you can phony up the evidence!
OK let's do that. eplaya at burningman
just to clear things up a bit, there are some posts that allow moderators to do ip lookups, but i usually dont disclose them. why? respecting certain rights to privacy.
Implying that Kinetic was, as per my suspicions, completely full of shit, which is about the same conclusion I'm coming to, about you.

Hugh has asked you to check those IP addresses. I have demanded that you do so. This being the case, the privacy issue has evaporated, as I pointed out before you even posted that rationalization.

You've posted recently, implying that you are reading this, so the "mods haven't had time to know about this" excuse won't hold water. You, yourself, have admitted that you don't need Spanky's help, so scratch Kinetic's excuse. This leaves you with no excuses at all, and no reason for me to wait one fucking second longer.

RIGHT NOW, Spec. I and Hugh are being libeled. The facts are there for you to see, and you're cleared to look. As a mod on the board, you have a duty to do just that. No more bullshit and no more excuses. You act RIGHT NOW and do what you damned well know you should have done a long way back, or I do, and tough crap about any inconvenience that finds its way to your door, or to the doors of your fellow staff members. You will have nobody to blame but yourself.

TIME'S UP.

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Re: Busted Buddy

Post by HughMungus » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:46 pm

spectabillis wrote:
HughMungus wrote:
Rockdad wrote:Lets have a moderator look at today's IP's and make the call before you can phony up the evidence!
OK let's do that. eplaya at burningman
just to clear things up a bit, there are some posts that allow moderators to do ip lookups, but i usually dont disclose them. why? respecting certain rights to privacy. even when pm'ing people over conflicts i rarely tell if i know they are a sock or not.

there has not been policy discussion on it, never been an issue.

but going back to my point, its better if people just keep conflicts in the topic that started them rather than go and create a whole new one and spread it around. honestly, if you think most people enjoy this shit - well... they dont. the best thing is to take it to private messages, but it seems even that is unreasonable request for some people.

just seems childish.
Yeah Rockdad, stop being childish.
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Re: Busted Buddy

Post by spectabillis » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:55 pm

You are more than welcome to contact any and all staff members concerning the operations of this board, its moderators, or its admins at any time. In fact, I encourage it.

But I missed where someone asked a moderator for an ipaddr lookup, certainly no one pm'd me on it. If its that serious an issue, why not?

And no, I did not say I needed or did not need Spanky's help for ipaddr lookups, you can read my post again if you misunderstood. I said there are certain posts where moderators can.

And I guess I will repeat this again - its much better for people to take personal differences to private messages. Its bad enough in the topics, but much, much worse to spread it around by going and creating a whole new topic for it.

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Post by Kinetic IV » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:17 pm

Dustbuddy:
The 12 Mile BBS I run is a phpBB board so much of what I wrote about phpBB and what moderators and admins can do comes from my experience with that board along with 4 others that I have either moderator or admin priviledges on. That being said so much for being full of shit, have you setup and run a phpBB BBS lately? I doubt it. At least I can speak from experience.

By the way do you think you could lay off the personal attacks and saying people are full of shit?
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Re: Busted Buddy

Post by Dustbuddy » Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:30 pm

spectabillis wrote:You are more than welcome to contact any and all staff members concerning the operations of this board, its moderators, or its admins at any time. In fact, I encourage it.

But I missed where someone asked a moderator for an ipaddr lookup, certainly no one pm'd me on it. If its that serious an issue, why not?

Give me a fucking break. You've posted to this thread and continue posting to this thread. We know you're seeing the posts on it, including the ones in which both Hugh and I told you that we wanted you to check those IP addresses. Yet now we're expect to believe that you're incapably of understanding the nature of the request of the request or the demand, because you saw it in a post on ePlaya instead of in a private message? Are you totally motherfucking serious? That has got to be the most feeble goddamned excuse I've ever seen out of any moderator, anywhere, ever. Fine, we've established that you are one sorry excuse for a man, and I am done trying to reach your non-existent conscience or work within the framework of a set of rules you're clearly making up as you go along.

If anybody was still seriously harboring the thought that Rockdad's sockpuppet accusation might be anything other than a cheap attempt to sling a little mud at somebody and hope that it will stick, payback for my having exposed an act of fraud on his part, I point you in the direction of this post which I just placed on Usenet, in alt.burningman among other groups:


Conspiracy theorists and ePlaya sockpuppet accusations


As I said I would, I've linked to the "Original Copy" page for this post in the Googlegroups (formerly Dejanews) archives. I was in rare luck, in this regard - while posts sometimes take hours to appear in those archives, this one appeared within seconds. Note this line in the post

NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.182.172.94

That's my primary ISP. Google does not mask that, which is why I set up a Google account for dealing with this bullcrap. Going to the Arin IP lookup page located at http://www.arin.net/whois/, and entering this IP address, we get this result: NetSource Communications, Inc.

Clicking on the link next to Netsource communications, we come to this page, where we find the listing


OrgName: NetSource Communications, Inc.
OrgID: NSCM
Address: 1665 Quincy Ave. Suite 147
City: Naperville
StateProv: IL
PostalCode: 60540
Country: US


putting me in Northern Illinois, a long, long, long way from HughMungus' hometown of Reno, Nevada. As Netsource will confirm, they have no out-of-area dial-ins, putting me somewhere in the general area of DuPage County, Illinois.

Accept the facts or don't, either way, they are inescapable. I couldn't possibly be HughMungus - and yet we have Rockdad "revealing" that he had snapshots of pages proving something that all can now see isn't true, if they're honest enough to look. How did he do that? Use your brains, kids. He edited some HTML. He faked the evidence, committing yet another act of fraud in an attempt to smear somebody who caught him in an earlier act of fraud. Shout out to the nearest mod - yes or no, is that an acceptable thing for one user to do to another? What on earth is a "personal attack", if something that nakedly sleazy doesn't qualify?

At this point, Spec, having already seen how little in the way of character you actually have, I'm mainly asking you this for laughs, but what the Hell? Let's see if you're actually capable of doing the right thing, EVER. My guess is that you aren't. Having just witnessed the logical contortions you went through to rationalise your choice to avoid speaking up on behalf of somebody you had a personal dispute with (HughMungus) when you were asked to do nothing more than look at a pair of IP addresses and tell people what you saw, "sitting on the evidence" as the saying goes, I'd say that my skepticism is on solid ground, on this point. But you're always free to surprise me.

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Post by Kinetic IV » Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:04 pm

I think the best thing for me to do is apologize for anything and everything, slights perceived and unperceived, and back out. There was a time I'd fire off the cannons and start an online war over stuff like this....I don't see the point in getting involved anymore. I wash my hands of this and will watch the discussion from the sidelines as a curious bystander.

I will say that last entry was interesting....Chicagoland is like my second home but I don't see many people from up there on here. I wish that would change and they would do more promotion of the events they put together. The group I've met from up there is a very talented and creative bunch.

And with that hopefully I can move on from this ruckus.
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Post by HughMungus » Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:07 pm

Kinetic IV wrote:I think the best thing for me to do is apologize for anything and everything, slights perceived and unperceived, and back out. There was a time I'd fire off the cannons and start an online war over stuff like this....I don't see the point in getting involved anymore. I wash my hands of this and will watch the discussion from the sidelines as a curious bystander.

I will say that last entry was interesting....Chicagoland is like my second home but I don't see many people from up there on here. I wish that would change and they would do more promotion of the events they put together. The group I've met from up there is a very talented and creative bunch.

And with that hopefully I can move on from this ruckus.
Like I told someone else today, it'll all blow over.

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Post by Kinetic IV » Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:09 pm

Yeah it will blow over but it sure stinks to high heaven before it does.

By the way I hope you are at the meet and greet. I'd like to meet you and put a face behind the name. And hopefully this year Tisha will be tending bar again and I can get there before she closes up shop.
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Re: Busted Buddy

Post by spectabillis » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:24 am

Dustbuddy wrote:... Give me a fucking break.... Are you totally motherfucking serious? That has got to be the most feeble goddamned excuse ... we've established that you are one sorry excuse for a man... your non-existent conscience ...
Conscience? Who's the person throwing insults, negative remarks, and innuendo's? Seriously, just knock it off with that already, please.

No, I still have not read each and every word of each and every comment in this topic.

And no, I did not say I needed or did not need Spanky's help for ipaddr lookups.

And no again, I have never seen any explicit request to look up an ipaddr until these last few posts.

And I ask, again, if it was so serious why did you not PM me, another moderator, and admin, or email someone?

And once again, you are more than welcome to contact any and all staff members concerning any of this. I dont think their reaction is going to be much different from everyone else's you see here - unfortunately I dont think anyone else even wants to answer you. But you can always try, please do.

How ironic, I was the only person who was willing to try and look how you get treated. What a great community, thanks Dustbuddy!

And I will repeat this, yet again - its best for people to take personal differences to private messages. Its bad enough that everyone else on the board has to put up with this shit in the topics they try to have some sort of discussion in, but its much worse to spread it around by going and creating a whole new topic for it..
But you're always free to surprise me.
Ok, as far as I can tell you are not HughM. The only socks I see under your account are ... Traveller, Observer, and Dustbuddy.

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Re: Busted Buddy

Post by Rockdad » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:48 am

spectabillis wrote: Ok, as far as I can tell you are not HughM. The only socks I see under your account are ... Traveller, Observer, and Dustbuddy.

ROTFL Busted Buddy!
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Man I saw that coming I suspected traveller too. and funny thing I tried to get on his board to offer rides from Reno to BM and he locked me out of his rideshare forum weeks ago before dustbuddy existed for no reason before I posted anything, but I was using same screen name this was around the time HughM got chastised for making demands about eplaya ridesharing board looking back it was just a ploy to spam the rideshare board they made.
So that is another reason why I also suspect there is a connection between dustbuddy, HughM, traveller and Dr. Cliff posters and the rest of the I hate BM crew.

As far as all that other new Google account/Usenet crap it proves nothing just smoke and mirrors. At most it suggests it took over thirty hours to get somebody to post a Usenet message for them or set up a IP spoof!

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."- Arthur Schopenhaues

I also suspect a new female persona warming up is involved that will go unnamed for now!
rockdad from another thread wrote:If you’re not Hugh you are his twin! Or a relative All this anger! And threats! And Lies just like Hugh!
nasty hostile attitude that had caused me to put Hugh on ignore! And then you are proven to be a nit picker that can not get off a simple concept and continue the discussion just like Hugh!
You say your putting me on ignore how very funny just like Hugh would like to do except I beat him to it months ago!
Your use of terms, wordage, attitude, nit picking, hostility, etc
That's all folks the fat lady just sung!.
Move along now nothing to see here just a bloody corpse....

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TTo those who sent me PM's in regards to this I know that I said I would ignore from now on but this was to good to pass up!


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Post by Dustbuddy » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:51 am

spectabillis wrote:
Dustbuddy wrote:... Give me a fucking break.... Are you totally motherfucking serious? That has got to be the most feeble goddamned excuse ... we've established that you are one sorry excuse for a man... your non-existent conscience ...
Conscience? Who's the person throwing insults, negative remarks, and innuendo's?

Those would be "innuendos"; "innuendo's" would imply the use of the possessive, "innuendos" is plural.

Either way, hardly, and look who's talking. When I say something, I say it directly, such as now, when I say that you are unfit to be a moderator on this or any other board. Every insult I threw was provoked, every negative remark backed up with verified fact. The only moral standard under which these could be viewed to be objectionable is that which you bring to everything you do: that of abject cowardice.


Seriously, just knock it off with that already, please.


Knock what off? Telling the truth when you can't cope?


No, I still have not read each and every word of each and every comment in this topic.

You saw the post that you just responded to, didn't you? You've read enough, and what you didn't read, you freely chose to ignore. Don't make excuses for yourself. You own your own choices, and they were contemptible ones without exception.


And no, I did not say I needed or did not need Spanky's help for ipaddr lookups.


When did I say you did? Or do you now wish to confuse me with Kinetic, the same way Rockdad wanted to confuse me with HughMungus?


And no again, I have never seen any explicit request to look up an ipaddr until these last few posts.


Right.


And I ask, again, if it was so serious why did you not PM me, another moderator, and admin, or email someone?


And I tell you, again, that is one weak excuse and an insult to almost everybody's intelligence. You respond to posts, but we're supposed to believe that you are incapable of seeing what you just responded to, because it wasn't a PM? What would explain this strange neurological condition of yours?


And once again, you are more than welcome to contact any and all staff members concerning any of this. I dont think their reaction is going to be much different from everyone else's you see here


On this, I'm inclined to agree with you. What is pathetic is that you see this as a source of moral validation, when all it really is, is a sign of Groupthink run out of control..

- unfortunately I dont think anyone else even wants to answer you.


Moot point, now, don't you think? I was accused of something, and the accusation was proved to be without merit, no thanks to you. If my primary ISP is left in peace, then I will have all that I could have asked for in a resolution in this matter, except for the comfort of knowing that I had not had to put the good people at Netsource at risk for an unpleasant experience, and the happy thought that the improvement in ePlaya's culture had been more than an act. The reality now stands exposed for all to see.


But you can always try, please do.

How ironic, I was the only person who was willing to try and look how you get treated.


Try to do what? As I was being defamed, in what way did you try to help me before I helped myself?


What a great community, thanks Dustbuddy!


Thank yourself. You guys have been trying to build community without morality, and that doesn't work. Yes, morality, and that doesn't mean a warm, fuzzy feelinbg that gets applied to anybody and everybody, regardless of how they act. That is a vision of right and wrong you should have outgrown before your third birthday party. Morality includes responsibility, and that concept means nothing if nobody ever gets held responsible for anything. Sometime that means that we do unpleasant things to others for no better reason than the fact that they deserve it.


And I will repeat this, yet again - its best for people to take personal differences to private messages.


A private rebuttal to a public defamation?



Its bad enough that everyone else on the board has to put up with this shit


Small reminder, Spec, because you seem to want people to forget this: I was in the right. It isn't debatable. I said that I was wrongly accused of being Hugh's sock puppet and I proved it. Right now, you're at war with the truth.


in the topics they try to have some sort of discussion in, but its much worse to spread it around by going and creating a whole new topic for it..

Even by the warped standards of so-called "Netiquette", you're wrong. Creating a new thread when a new topic arises has been SOP on the Internet since the days when the Internet was little more than Usenet and a few gopher sites. Sock puppet accusations and the 9-11 Conspiracy theory are clearly two entirely different topics, so in fact, splitting this topic off was established procedure. Note that I even put the new thread in the correct forum.


But you're always free to surprise me.
Ok, as far as I can tell you are not HughM.

How gracious of you to finally admit it. Does the expression "it was like pulling teeth" mean anything to you?


The only socks I see under your account are ... Traveller, Observer, and Dustbuddy.



*Groan* More sock puppet accusations, from the very person who refused my earlier demand to confirm that I was posting from a Midwestern ISP on the basis that he wanted to protect my privacy, back when I was debunking the first one.

Screw it, I am not going through this again. I'll get put through Hell getting past the new smear, and you guys will just come up with another one, and another one, until I get too tired to keep doing this. Why bother, especially when nothing positive is coming out of the experience? I'm out of here.

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Re: Busted Buddy

Post by spectabillis » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:43 am

Rockdad wrote:Sometimes you get what you beg for!
you are not really helping matters. i realize you felt the need to defend yourself against a topic that was directed at you, but you are also taking this too far.

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Post by spectabillis » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:05 am

Dustbuddy wrote:
And I ask, again, if it was so serious why did you not PM me, another moderator, and admin, or email someone?
And I tell you, again, that is one weak excuse and an insult to almost everybody's intelligence. You respond to posts, but we're supposed to believe that you are incapable of seeing what you just responded to, because it wasn't a PM? What would explain this strange neurological condition of yours?
No, its a perfectly reasonable question that you still have not answered despite being asked multiple times. If it was that serious to you, and you did not get the attention that you thought it deserved - you should have done so.

You can request Spanky, Emily or whoever to re-check what the ipaddr lookup for your account is. Right now, it shows Dustbuddy, Observer, and Traveller. Your ipaddr range is 65.182.172.###, posting from Olympia Fields, Illinois.

Its good that you finally decided to drop it, I am no longer going to concern myself over this since I have been more than reasonable in trying to address it. Any more issues that you have from now on, please feel free to PM a moderator or admin.

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Fair enough I am done...

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Fair enough I am done...
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Post by PlayaPetal » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:11 am

honestly, if you think most people enjoy this shit - well... they dont. the best thing is to take it to private messages, but it seems even that is unreasonable request for some people.

just seems childish.
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Post by spectabillis » Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:12 pm

PlayaPetal wrote:Spectabillis - Your Brilliant - I hope your advice is taken seriously...
I wish, but somehow doubt it. At least HughM and Rockdad agreed to lower it some.

thanks

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Post by HughMungus » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:50 pm

spectabillis wrote:
PlayaPetal wrote:Spectabillis - Your Brilliant - I hope your advice is taken seriously...
I wish, but somehow doubt it. At least HughM and Rockdad agreed to lower it some.

thanks
Yeah, Rockdad was really causing some problems. Thanks for taking care of it for us.
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Post by spectabillis » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:48 pm

HughMungus wrote:Yeah, Rockdad was really causing some problems. Thanks for taking care of it for us.
*sigh* you all just want to see me die of premature aging, dont ya?

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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:22 am

I cant wait till you all meet each other on the playa.

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Post by HughMungus » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:25 pm

DVD Burner wrote:I cant wait till you all meet each other on the playa.

:lol:
Me neither. I'm doing "Stalker Camp". We're going to follow people around with cameras and take their picture THEN ask their permission.
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Post by ibdave » Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:55 pm

HughMungus wrote:
Me neither. I'm doing "Stalker Camp". We're going to follow people around with cameras and take their picture THEN ask their permission.
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Post by Kinetic IV » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:19 pm

Stalker Camp is my idea. Quit stealing my stuff.
If you don't believe me go search the 3Playa...with all of their trumped up accusations I'm sure you'll find something over there to back it up. I can't fight it so fuck it I might as well run with it.
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Post by HughMungus » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:02 pm

Kinetic IV wrote:Stalker Camp is my idea. Quit stealing my stuff.
If you don't believe me go search the 3Playa...with all of their trumped up accusations I'm sure you'll find something over there to back it up. I can't fight it so fuck it I might as well run with it.
I know you're just one of spectabill's sock puppets. I'm pretty sure you're also cryptofisist and Ranger Genius. I have your IP's and I'm going to find out who you are and why you caused 9/11.
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Post by Kinetic IV » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:13 pm

Mondays suck. That post got me laughing again. Thank you very much!
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Post by HughMungus » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:31 pm

Kinetic IV wrote:Mondays suck. That post got me laughing again. Thank you very much!
Making the world better one post at a time, brother. :D
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Post by PlayaPetal » Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:15 pm

Yeah, Rockdad was really causing some problems. Thanks for taking care of it for us.
I don't agree with this statement.
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Post by Rockdad » Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:29 pm

PlayaPetal wrote:
Yeah, Rockdad was really causing some problems. Thanks for taking care of it for us.
I don't agree with this statement.
Thank you Gorgeous
I just ignore these little nasty snipes of e-moop he leaves all over eplaya but I can not ignore you!

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Post by Observer » Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:25 am

My reply to this crap: here, posted in reponse to Spectabillis' decision to use a camp announcement thread as a vehicle for oblique personal attacks.

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Re: Busted Buddy

Post by Traveller » Sat May 20, 2006 7:37 pm

I've briefly returned to another part of this board to point people in the direction of my own backup rideboard, and so I thought I'd better respond to this.

Rockdad wrote:Man I saw that coming I suspected traveller too. and funny thing I tried to get on his board to offer rides from Reno to BM and he locked me out of his rideshare forum weeks ago before dustbuddy existed for no reason before I posted anything,

Absolute, utter, shameless bullcrap. Rockdad came onto the stories section of Travel to Burning Man to post something entitled "The Black Truck Limping Along". Before we go one step further, then, this much is beyond debate - Rockdad is lying. You may argue about whether or not Rockdad's post deserved to be deleted or whether or not Rockdad deserved to be banned, but there is no debating the fact that he did not get banned without having posted, first. Site stats state that several dozen of you visited that post before I deleted it, so more than a few of you know that this is the truth.

Odds are, you also know that Rockdad got what he deserved. I posted a notice about the deletion on the day I carried it out. Contrary to claims made or implied, Rockdad's post had nothing to do with offering rides from Reno to Burning Man. What he wrote was a barely veiled attack on those burners who reported having trouble with the local authorities, suggesting that they were all liars. I did not appreciate seeing my forum used as a springboard for launching attacks against this nutbag's many enemies on this forum, be they imagined or otherwise. I even less appreciated seeing him go onto a section of the board dedicated to one category of creative writing (journaling), and try to disguise what amounted to being a broad flaming of an entire class of people as being a narrative. That sucked. That was completely out of line, and as a moderator, I had every right in the world to show that creep the door.

ePlaya has gained a reputation for being a flamepit. If that's what you folks want, that's fine, and that's your business. But that's not what my little place is about, and when one or more of you tries to coopt my place for your own ill intentioned purposes, that's my business.

Rockdad wrote:but I was using same screen name this was around the time HughM got chastised for making demands about eplaya ridesharing board looking back it was just a ploy to spam the rideshare board they made.

HughMungus is not on my board, and if I find out that he has signed up, I'll ban him too. As far as I'm concerned, he's as big of a pain in the ass as you are, and I wouldn't want to inflict the worthless company of either of you two drama queens on my membership. TTBM is a place where burners can go to get away from people like you.

Rockdad wrote:So that is another reason why I also suspect there is a connection between dustbuddy, HughM, traveller and Dr. Cliff posters and the rest of the I hate BM crew.

Dr. Cliff is located in Lousiana, according to his site, about 1000 miles from my current location. As for how starting a backup rideshare resource makes me a member of the "I hate BM crew", I'll leave that for you to explain to this community and your therapist, assuming that he hasn't already taken out an order of protection against you.

As far as all that other new Google account/Usenet crap it proves nothing just smoke and mirrors.

Translation: Ignore the man behind the curtain.

At most it suggests it took over thirty hours to get somebody to post a Usenet message for them or set up a IP spoof!

It suggests that Dustbuddy was responsible enough to try working with the moderators on this board, before doing something that he knew would greatly disrupt the functioning of ePlaya and every other forum it links to. With greatest reluctance and only after having gotten stonewalled, he did just that. Spambots have wandered Usenet since before the Web existed. Posting an url for ePlaya on Usenet meant that the spambots found their way here, leading to the joy that was Alfredricko, as a matter of direct cause and effect.

It is to Dustbuddy's credit that he worked to avoid that, but I'll go halfway with you on that one. If anybody on this forum ever finds himself in Dustbuddy's situation, he should waste no time trying to reason with the moderators. He should post his defense to Usenet immediately, and if by doing so he disrupts the functioning of ePlaya, too bad. If people here are willing to sink so low that they're willing to use somebody's willingness to try to work through the system as a source of political ammunition against him, then they don't deserve any consideration.

I also suspect a new female persona warming up is involved that will go unnamed for now!

Translation: There's a female user on this forum whose reputation you might want to attack, but you haven't decided whether or not to go there, yet. How beautiful. You're a hell of a guy.

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