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[FIGJAM]

Minxy, take a stelth bike ride.

Get far enough down the block and strip.

Let your freak flag fly baby!!!

[graidawg]

LOL I'm sure you couldn't have that broom handle stuck further up your butt than I did before going to BM.
My worst trait was (sometimes still is) being judgmental. BM has helped me with being more accepting of others and consequently in some strange way, that has caused me to worry less about what others think about me.

Heh, I struggle with being judgmental, also, but I think my main issue I want to squash is insecurity. Lack of confidence, happiness and acceptance in my own skin. Burning Man has both helped me a great deal with this but weirdly has also inhibited me greatly as well. Conflicting!

When I went alone I felt MUCH more open and free. I got naked and rode around because I didn't know anyone and didn't care if anyone thought I was unattractive. I wore crazy, body revealing stuff. It was liberating. If someone didn't like it they could not look /shrugs. I felt complete permission to wear what I wanted, do what I wanted, get naked and do dust angels if I wanted...etc.

Now I camp with my fiance's group of friends and sadly I feel a lot of inhibition there. I wish I didn't. These people are important, life long friends to Will so I feel a purely personal pressure to not do anything that will cause them to gossip and talk shit behind my back as everything that happens at the burn is also discussed back in defaultia. I objectively realize if they are going to do that it's THEIR shit and has nothing to do with me, but it makes me uncomfortable.

Maybe sneek it up on them little by little or less and less hehe hey it's a whole week, by then end of the burn ya might have them naked

this is my plan on myself to sneak up on my inhibitions then in a surprise assault suddnely they find themselves naked and hugging someone, who they dont know and have no plans to have sex with - of course this is greatly helped by the wonderful people on here who apart from everyone are far far uglier than me (also nobody is fatter) and for that matter anyone is more charming.

oh and on the tattoo front do what you want and think is pretty, jusr do it big and bold.

[Minxy]

Maybe sneek it up on them little by little or less and less hehe hey it's a whole week, by then end of the burn ya might have them naked

Ha! Oh many of them get partially or fully nude. It's not that. It's that they are (mostly) in shape, slender, athletic...etc etc. I'm not. Short, fat, not a health fanatic (although I try to lean towards healthy where I can), I'm not a skinny and look cute in booty shorts and topless type.

Every year I've camped with them I just get really tired of listening to some of them talk shit about other people walking by who were overweight and they were making comments about them being partially unclothed/fully naked. I've not directly heard them say anything about me to my face or nearby but I've heard comments of "I can't believe she's wearing that...ugh," in regards to my outfit, etc. Snickers. Sideways looks to each other if I come out half clothed...smirks, rolls of eyes.

Anyway, not here to talk bad about my camp, lol. This is MY perception of what I've seen and heard. It's my perception that makes me uncomfortable. What I "should" do is not worry about anyone's opinion and be happy with myself no matter what I'm wearing (or not). It's difficult for me because these are my fiance's lifelong friends and therefore makes me uncomfortable. If they were random folks I didn't know, I wouldn't give a shit.

Sorry to ramble about my own demons, that wasn't exactly my intent today! Just fell into it.

We're in the LOUNGE, yo! I need to shut up! Someone pour me a drink, dammit!

[Elderberry]

LOL I'm sure you couldn't have that broom handle stuck further up your butt than I did before going to BM.
My worst trait was (sometimes still is) being judgmental. BM has helped me with being more accepting of others and consequently in some strange way, that has caused me to worry less about what others think about me.

Heh, I struggle with being judgmental, also, but I think my main issue I want to squash is insecurity. Lack of confidence, happiness and acceptance in my own skin. Burning Man has both helped me a great deal with this but weirdly has also inhibited me greatly as well. Conflicting!

When I went alone I felt MUCH more open and free. I got naked and rode around because I didn't know anyone and didn't care if anyone thought I was unattractive. I wore crazy, body revealing stuff. It was liberating. If someone didn't like it they could not look /shrugs. I felt complete permission to wear what I wanted, do what I wanted, get naked and do dust angels if I wanted...etc.

Now I camp with my fiance's group of friends and sadly I feel a lot of inhibition there. I wish I didn't. These people are important, life long friends to Will so I feel a purely personal pressure to not do anything that will cause them to gossip and talk shit behind my back as everything that happens at the burn is also discussed back in defaultia. I objectively realize if they are going to do that it's THEIR shit and has nothing to do with me, but it makes me uncomfortable.

Will you please read the sentence I highlighted SEVERAL TIMES OVER and then tell me that there might not be something wrong with the use of the words "Friends" and "Fiance"; it sounds like your those "friends" are not friends, and there are a lot of undiscussed issues between you and your fiance if you have to worry about what he thinks of you being you. Don't mean to be an armchair therapist, but that sentence is troubling to me.

[Minxy]

Oh, I agree with you, in part, Jkisha. Notice I didn't call them "my" friends.

I've considered camping somewhere else but I do love camping with Will and he's camped with them for 10 years (I think) so it's a pros and cons thing. I don't want to ask him to move camp because that's his favorite thing he looks forward to all year to go camp with his friends at Burning Man. He is fully supportive, accepting and wonderful to me and if I insisted we move camp spots he would do it. He's got my back. And, actually, it's the women who are the issue (for me); the men seem much more the accepting, non-judgmental what I consider "typical" burner mentality, if there is such a thing. I choose to stay there even though it's not my ideal camp group. It's mostly fine even though I feel inhibited. I just go away from camp to get my freedom flag flying.

I'm not worried what my fiance thinks of me. He and I work fantastically well together. I already know what he thinks of me. He gently disagrees with my view of their judgmental-ism and thinks I'm over-reacting, which is possible...as I mentioned, insecurity issues a bit. Love is blind and these are his beloved friends, you see. He's never heard them say anything negative but then, he's not usually around. He is off on his bike like a rocket off to explore much of the day. I'm not great in the heat so I stick around camp much more during the day and I hear the commentary.

I shouldn't give a rats ass what his friends think or say. That's my own emotional gunk to change and process. That's my whole point.

LOL I'm sure you couldn't have that broom handle stuck further up your butt than I did before going to BM.
My worst trait was (sometimes still is) being judgmental. BM has helped me with being more accepting of others and consequently in some strange way, that has caused me to worry less about what others think about me.

Heh, I struggle with being judgmental, also, but I think my main issue I want to squash is insecurity. Lack of confidence, happiness and acceptance in my own skin. Burning Man has both helped me a great deal with this but weirdly has also inhibited me greatly as well. Conflicting!

When I went alone I felt MUCH more open and free. I got naked and rode around because I didn't know anyone and didn't care if anyone thought I was unattractive. I wore crazy, body revealing stuff. It was liberating. If someone didn't like it they could not look /shrugs. I felt complete permission to wear what I wanted, do what I wanted, get naked and do dust angels if I wanted...etc.

Now I camp with my fiance's group of friends and sadly I feel a lot of inhibition there. I wish I didn't. These people are important, life long friends to Will so I feel a purely personal pressure to not do anything that will cause them to gossip and talk shit behind my back as everything that happens at the burn is also discussed back in defaultia. I objectively realize if they are going to do that it's THEIR shit and has nothing to do with me, but it makes me uncomfortable.

Will you please read the sentence I highlighted SEVERAL TIMES OVER and then tell me that there might not be something wrong with the use of the words "Friends" and "Fiance"; it sounds like your those "friends" are not friends, and there are a lot of undiscussed issues between you and your fiance if you have to worry about what he thinks of you being you. Don't mean to be an armchair therapist, but that sentence is troubling to me.

[FIGJAM]

SNAP! I would take the opportunity to teach those veterans a lesson in radical inclusion.

The very second anyone makes a comment about someone walking by, leap to your feet and disrobe as quickly as possible and ask "Would you make that same comment too me?"

It sound like some catty bulshit to me and calls for action.

Sorry, but it punch a button with me.

[lucky420]

Oh Minxy,
can't wait to meet you, you curvy little peanut (as opposed to "short, fat, and not a health fanatic"). Celebrate yourself and your curves, sounds like your Will does...I know that sounds easier said than done because I struggle with it too. Fuck the haters (shame on them for thinking they are better). Always remember that as you age, skinny bitches wrinkle first...

[Minxy]

Bahaha, I love you guys.

Figjam: Yes they would probably look me in the face and either say something placating or possibly, if tipsy say something mean. I really shouldn't guess what other folks would say, I spose. It pushes a button with me, too, which is why it came up here I guess! I didn't want to derail our happy lounge with a crabby topic, oy! It just rambled! It totally is catty bullshit. I feel bad now, for speaking badly of some of my campmates, but there it is. I'm honest.

lucky420: HA! Curvy little peanut, I LOVE IT! I'm not being down on myself, just honest. I'm cute and nice and pretty, too! I was just listing the qualities that make me self-conscious in that particular group of people. And yes, Will loves me JUST fine. Bless his heart, he calls me the "perfect woman for him" so I think we're ok there. And bahahaha, skinny bitches wrinkle first...*SNORT* hahaha. So true.

[graidawg]

hey i'm not comfortable with my shape either and i would be happier getting naked round people who wouldnt see me in defaultia, there is a whole world out there we cant influence, they havent even heard of BM so cut her some slack, however at bm if heard anyone say anything negative about anyone i would have words. strong ones

[Elderberry]

Every year I've camped with them I just get really tired of listening to some of them talk shit about other people walking by who were overweight and they were making comments about them being partially unclothed/fully naked. I've not directly heard them say anything about me to my face or nearby but I've heard comments of "I can't believe she's wearing that...ugh," in regards to my outfit, etc. Snickers. Sideways looks to each other if I come out half clothed...smirks, rolls of eyes.

Those people are not burners, they are posers, and you are allowing them to devalue your burn. You need to set them straight. Just tell them you refuse to listen to their snide remarks and if they continue to behave in such a despicable manner you will not be camping with them next year. Then hand them a copy of the 10 principles. The more I read on this topic, I'm not sure if I should more angry with them for their rude behavior or disappointed with you for not calling them on it.

Does this make ME judgmental?

[MyDearFriend]

Oh Minxy,
can't wait to meet you, you curvy little peanut (as opposed to "short, fat, and not a health fanatic"). Celebrate yourself and your curves, sounds like your Will does...I know that sounds easier said than done because I struggle with it too. Fuck the haters (shame on them for thinking they are better). Always remember that as you age, skinny bitches wrinkle first...

Yep yep yep, any plastic surgeon will tell you that after 40 you have to choose between your face and your butt.

"Happy" beats "pretty" any day, anyway, so if you are not happy camping there with Casanova and his krewe, come chill with me at BDC. I have a way-too-long monkey hut and a hammock and a garden sprayer... and will put a wet bandanna on your forehead for ya, so you won't have to look at my poochy 53 year old tummy.

GD, what the heck do you mean by this:

the wonderful people on here who apart from everyone are far far uglier than me (also nobody is fatter) and for that matter anyone is more charming.

[graidawg]

Oh Minxy,
can't wait to meet you, you curvy little peanut (as opposed to "short, fat, and not a health fanatic"). Celebrate yourself and your curves, sounds like your Will does...I know that sounds easier said than done because I struggle with it too. Fuck the haters (shame on them for thinking they are better). Always remember that as you age, skinny bitches wrinkle first...

Yep yep yep, any plastic surgeon will tell you that after 40 you have to choose between your face and your butt.

"Happy" beats "pretty" any day, anyway, so if you are not happy camping there with Casanova and his krewe, come chill with me at BDC. I have a way-too-long monkey hut and a hammock and a garden sprayer... and will put a wet bandanna on your forehead for ya, so you won't have to look at my poochy 53 year old tummy.

GD, what the heck do you mean by this:

the wonderful people on here who apart from everyone are far far uglier than me (also nobody is fatter) and for that matter anyone is more charming.

yea you are all better looking than me more charming wittier and probably taller. hehe i had to read it thrice. and then i though i had written it wrong

[jella]

OK folks it's Friday up in heyah lets PARTY
Now shake your tushes on the catwalk !

Picks
on the juke..gosh I miss you tube links

[goathead]

Some of you might want to check out some of the henna artist that work in center camp.
I have seen some amazing work they have done.

[jella]

Ooh good call Goathead. I've had regular body painting done there but haven't caught one that does henna ....yet.

[Minxy]

Those people are not burners, they are posers, and you are allowing them to devalue your burn. You need to set them straight. Just tell them you refuse to listen to their snide remarks and if they continue to behave in such a despicable manner you will not be camping with them next year. Then hand them a copy of the 10 principles. The more I read on this topic, I'm not sure if I should more angry with them for their rude behavior or disappointed with you for not calling them on it.

I don't believe they are devaluing my burn, that's all on me. I'd like to be able to embrace the positive aspects of people and experiences and if there is negative aspects either fix it or just acknowledge it and let it go. The fact that I let it bother ME is my problem. Only I can let myself be bothered.

Hey, Jkisha, I hear you. I appreciate your thoughts and you've made me think, something I always appreciate! In my mind, people who sit and cut at other people behind their back are, themselves, insecure and trying to build up their own feeling of self-worth by insulting others. I do call them on it but I also attempt to avoid causing any drama in our group. I've said that I think it's shitty to talk about people that way and that I'm always happy to see people of any shape, size, age, race, gender strutting their stuff and celebrating themselves in a happy burning man way. Their actual looks don't matter to me, I'm just happy to see a fellow human enjoying themselves and their environment in a joyous, not-hurting-others, playful, sexy, silly, kind of way.



And yes, it's FRIDAY!!! PAAARTAYYYY!!!!

I'm madly packing and cooking for our lil camping trip to the playa this weekend. It's like a baby burning man trip!

[goathead]

Check out some of his pictures, one of the most amazing photographers on the playa over the years.

http://playa-dust.com/galleries/72157612763078981.shtml

some of the henna art he has photographed is amazing.

[Elderberry]

Those people are not burners, they are posers, and you are allowing them to devalue your burn. You need to set them straight. Just tell them you refuse to listen to their snide remarks and if they continue to behave in such a despicable manner you will not be camping with them next year. Then hand them a copy of the 10 principles. The more I read on this topic, I'm not sure if I should more angry with them for their rude behavior or disappointed with you for not calling them on it.

Does this make ME judgmental?

I don't believe they are devaluing my burn, that's all on me. I'd like to be able to embrace the positive aspects of people and experiences and if there is negative aspects either fix it or just acknowledge it and let it go. The fact that I let it bother ME is my problem. Only I can let myself be bothered.

Hey, Jkisha, I hear you. I appreciate your thoughts and you've made me think, something I always appreciate! In my mind, people who sit and cut at other people behind their back are, themselves, insecure and trying to build up their own feeling of self-worth by insulting others. I do call them on it but I also attempt to avoid causing any drama in our group. I've said that I think it's shitty to talk about people that way and that I'm always happy to see people of any shape, size, age, race, gender strutting their stuff and celebrating themselves in a happy burning man way. Their actual looks don't matter to me, I'm just happy to see a fellow human enjoying themselves and their environment in a joyous, not-hurting-others, playful, sexy, silly, kind of way.



And yes, it's FRIDAY!!! PAAARTAYYYY!!!!

I'm madly packing and cooking for our lil camping trip to the playa this weekend. It's like a baby burning man trip!

Party sounds good!
I was just coming back to add to my post "Does this make ME judgmental?"

[MisaBlue]

SNAP! I would take the opportunity to teach those veterans a lesson in radical inclusion.

The very second anyone makes a comment about someone walking by, leap to your feet and disrobe as quickly as possible and ask "Would you make that same comment too me?"

It sound like some catty bulshit to me and calls for action.

Sorry, but it punch a button with me.

I love it!


Minxy, there are more of us who are insecure with ours look or shape or whatever...I havent consider myself as beautiful for long time, I was just another fatso from the crowd (partly because some men told me and I believed them, partly because my family was repeating that I should loose some weight).
It just depends on which eyes you use...are you looking at yourself by yours or theirs...are you happy with yourself - then great and keep having that happy feeling and you will lure more people of the same perspective If you are not happy and it can be changed, than change it and not just dream about that (or stop bitching if you do nothing), if it cannot be changed try to make advantage form your disadvantage, because if you really cannot change it you should accept it or you get crazy...
You know, I weight 44 pounds more than few years ago...funny thing is, back then I was not satisfied either and felt fat...however, now, I am actually wearing clothes I would never ever put on because it "would look ridiculous on my unshaped body" ...yes, you can see not the perfect shape, but cmon, it looks good because I feel that way (and I also found the right spots to highlight )
Burn helped me a lot and also people who let me recognized myself as beautiful or even hot...but it was me who had to see it!

Once I spoke about that with my brother. He loves those skinny bitches and can be really rude sometimes when commenting people.
He said to me, if I wasnt his sister he wouldnt looked at me/noticed me, not even with corner of his eye...but he also said that is great, because it would be absolutely boring if we are all the same, and that would be impossible to actually find someone if we all like the same...he also appreciate that many guys love woman with curves because it leaves him with less "enemies" to fight with for the skinny bitches

Wow, this PM lounge really feels you can talk for ages...I should stop ha ha ha...hope it make sense, I know some of the sentences are not really in English ha ha ha...but, just make some effort and try to find the sense in it

[Minxy]

Wow, goathead, those photos are amazing! I literally spend hours drifting off into a happy place when I sit and look at Burning Man photos. It's amazing how the time flies.

Jkisha: Maybe..hehe. None of us are perfect.

[Minxy]

Hey Misa, ya I agree with you completely. I'm working on that attitude, but it DOES have to come from inside yourself!

[goathead]

SNAP! I would take the opportunity to teach those veterans a lesson in radical inclusion.

The very second anyone makes a comment about someone walking by, leap to your feet and disrobe as quickly as possible and ask "Would you make that same comment too me?"

It sound like some catty bulshit to me and calls for action.

Sorry, but it punch a button with me.

I love it!


Minxy, there are more of us who are insecure with ours look or shape or whatever...I havent consider myself as beautiful for long time, I was just another fatso from the crowd (partly because some men told me and I believed them, partly because my family was repeating that I should loose some weight).
It just depends on which eyes you use...are you looking at yourself by yours or theirs...are you happy with yourself - then great and keep having that happy feeling and you will lure more people of the same perspective If you are not happy and it can be changed, than change it and not just dream about that (or stop bitching if you do nothing), if it cannot be changed try to make advantage form your disadvantage, because if you really cannot change it you should accept it or you get crazy...
You know, I weight 44 pounds more than few years ago...funny thing is, back then I was not satisfied either and felt fat...however, now, I am actually wearing clothes I would never ever put on because it "would look ridiculous on my unshaped body" ...yes, you can see not the perfect shape, but cmon, it looks good because I feel that way (and I also found the right spots to highlight )
Burn helped me a lot and also people who let me recognized myself as beautiful or even hot...but it was me who had to see it!

Once I spoke about that with my brother. He loves those skinny bitches and can be really rude sometimes when commenting people.
He said to me, if I wasnt his sister he wouldnt looked at me/noticed me, not even with corner of his eye...but he also said that is great, because it would be absolutely boring if we are all the same, and that would be impossible to actually find someone if we all like the same...he also appreciate that many guys love woman with curves because it leaves him with less "enemies" to fight with for the skinny bitches

Wow, this PM lounge really feels you can talk for ages...I should stop ha ha ha...hope it make sense, I know some of the sentences are not really in English ha ha ha...but, just make some effort and try to find the sense in it

The most attractive the smile on the face, and the twinkle in the eyes.

[MisaBlue]

Hey Misa, ya I agree with you completely. I'm working on that attitude, but it DOES have to come from inside yourself!

Yes, it does, and it seems as long way, but sometimes things happen and you just see trough

[Minxy]

Sooo...I've got my cases of beer, bottles of whiskey and tequila and snacks to take out for sharing this weekend on the playa. Almost all packed up.

Too bad we can't take the PM lounge out there in some kinda magical transport machine. Just POOF suddenly we're all at Juplaya!

[Bounce530]

Minxy, pick me up on the way through!

[Minxy]

Minxy, pick me up on the way through!

Are you going, Bounce? I don't remember where ya live.

[Bounce530]

No, unfortunately I have to cover some of my crew at work on Sunday... so, I will not be making it out there.
I live in Paradise, an hour and half north of Sac.
Camp Envy, WOOOOO!

[Dr Jet Sinister]

is it only me who sees off color jokes in most everything?

No.

Minxy, you have a great attitude about the whole thing. I hope you can find a way to make yourself more comfortable in your own camp, whether it's saying something or not. Personally, I hope you make them ride the shame train!
Have fun at Juplaya!

[Minxy]

Aw, bummer, Bounce. Yes, I remember now, Paradise, I'd just forgotten.

Thanks Dr. Jet Sinister! I try. Yep, it's all on me to make myself feel more comfortable. If I blamed everyone else for my feelings then I'd never be able to fix em! I did make them ride the shame train a few times, or attempted to anyway.

And I sure will try to have fun at Juplaya! I'm quite excited to see the playa without BRC on it. I've not gotten to spend any time out there other than Burning Man and I've always wanted to. I'm pretty sure that I will sit and mope under my shade and whine most of the day about how hot it is, but still! Will is already teasing me about it. I send him texts at work, "Willll...it's too hot!" and he LOLs.

Ygmir....I ditto Dr. Jet's comment. No.

is it only me who sees off color jokes in most everything?

No.

Minxy, you have a great attitude about the whole thing. I hope you can find a way to make yourself more comfortable in your own camp, whether it's saying something or not. Personally, I hope you make them ride the shame train!
Have fun at Juplaya!

[Foxfur]

Minxy!
You are incredibly sexy! I'm sorry to hear that some of your campmates are complete fuckin assholes (A bit strong maybe, maybe not). Perhaps they are better than that but not by much. Maybe this year, just for you, wander off and get naked by yourself. As a treat for having worn clothes all year. Or maybe git yer nekkid on @ Juplaya (sunscreen is all you should wear!). Or meet up with a friend from here at the MnG and take a stroll. Nekkid.
I've always had a negative self image problem. My belly is poochy, my skin is really dry, and my mother dresses me funny . When I mowed the lawn nekkid it was a big thing for me. I've walked around in the yard behind the house in the buff before but never out front. Sure I don't have neighbors but I was proud of myself for doing it anyways. It felt so good to set my inhibitions aside and just do it. Was also nice to get sun between my waistline and hemline where the sun usually don't shine . I don't have any expectations of getting goin all nakey-nakey out there, BUT, I'm also leaving my expectations in the sock drawer at home. Who knows? I'd kinda like to just sit in my chair by my trailer totally nude. Maybe have a tarp or use the open door to give a little cover. To be able to just sit and be comfortable with myself would really be cool.
It's not a requirement but if it feels good, DO IT! Any shit talk back on earth post-burn is meaningless static when you're not around. Please try not to let the haters influence your decision. They suck and you don't.
Bye for now, SEXY!

Ff