Survival

graidawg · Post by **graidawg** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:32 am

ok Now I really want to move to NV guns seem to be fairly freely available, land is reasonably cheap (in places) Burning Man, a gliding club and civil war reenactment group and the offer of getting to shoot pretty much anything I want by a gunsmith. All i need is a job, that i think i can work on . . . . and people who are able to discuss 'just in case' plans without sounding like nuts. Well to me anyway

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:38 am

Bay Bridge Sue wrote: I'm thinking of converting a Vespa Api (kind of like a 3 wheel submini pickup - famous in rural Italy) to electric - I know where there is one that's just sitting... would make a HELL of an around town scooter, like a Cushman Meter-maid mobile pick-up on steroids.[/b]

I have a very large 24v motor off a very old mobility scooter.. Going to make some thng soon..

There is a 1000 watt bicycle I have been drooling at for some time.. He wants 1200 dollars for it.. Claims 20mph if your peddeling also.. Charge distance is 30plus miles if you peddel..

Guy in Germmy has apeddel motor cycle dose 60.. Want 45 thu..

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:01 pm

I'm a bit confused by all the excitement over electric vehicles. Where does everyone think the majority of electricity comes from and how is it a more green mode of transportation?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:18 pm

Trishntek wrote:I'm a bit confused by all the excitement over electric vehicles. Where does everyone think the majority of electricity comes from and how is it a more green mode of transportation?

I have a generater that runs 5 hours on a gallon of gas..

A computer teck and family friend is sending a project to the playa with me..
It will show there is electricity in the air.. And how to catch it..

In hard times it could give me enough to make a trip now and then. Say thirty fourty mile..

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:26 pm

What I'm getting at is BHO wants a million electric cars on the road by 2015 or some such thing. How is that green when our greatest source of electricity is fossil fuel?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:32 pm

NO problema !!! BHO has the solution to this too;
http://www.climatedepot.com/r/9799/Obam ... t-Closures

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:45 pm

unjonharley wrote: I have a very large 24v motor off a very old mobility scooter.. Going to make some thng soon..

There is a 1000 watt bicycle I have been drooling at for some time.. He wants 1200 dollars for it.. Claims 20mph if your peddeling also.. Charge distance is 30plus miles if you peddel..

Guy in Germmy has apeddel motor cycle dose 60.. Want 45 thu..

What kind of bike?
What type batteries?

1000 watts has the potential to go faster than the standard limit.
You might want to consider a geared frive.
Far more efficiency and speed potential.
My bike is 250 watts geared.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:09 pm

gyre wrote:
unjonharley wrote: I have a very large 24v motor off a very old mobility scooter.. Going to make some thng soon..

There is a 1000 watt bicycle I have been drooling at for some time.. He wants 1200 dollars for it.. Claims 20mph if your peddeling also.. Charge distance is 30plus miles if you peddel..

Guy in Germmy has apeddel motor cycle dose 60.. Want 45 thu..
What kind of bike?
What type batteries?

1000 watts has the potential to go faster than the standard limit.
You might want to consider a geared frive.
Far more efficiency and speed potential.
My bike is 250 watts geared.

This bike was in a shop where they repair mobility scooters.. The guy is mostly full of shit.. He claimed it would do 20mph for up to 30 mile if you are peddelig..

I have all the parts to build a 250watt friction drive.. Motor,controler. batteries. power pulleys, motor & drive frame and 20 inch step through bike.. I'm in $60.00 so far. Other parts from my scrap pile will make a 24x24inch bike trailer to go with the bike..

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:38 pm

Just in case y'all are feeling inventive, there is another system for electric drive. Remember the electric clock in your old '65 Chevy. The motor ran for a few seconds and wound up a big spring. This system has the motor only running for a short time. It would be especially good for around town.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:14 am

The 'while you're pedaling' thing is pretty meaningless, though it is sometimes true.
If you can find out the brand and model, maybe I can find more info.

The forums often have personal experience with range.
For 30 miles, an additional battery pack is normally needed.
Most bikes are made for short distances in dense cities.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:37 am

gyre wrote:The 'while you're pedaling' thing is pretty meaningless, though it is sometimes true.
If you can find out the brand and model, maybe I can find more info.

The forums often have personal experience with range.
For 30 miles, an additional battery pack is normally needed.
Most bikes are made for short distances in dense cities.

The shop is a 80 plus mile round trip.. I only go up that way 2-3 times a year.
I'll see what there is on the net.. In the mean time.. Part of my day to day driving is to take a (electric) personal transporter to a accessable shopping area, Do my shopping and return home.. Saves mant mpg.. Plug into an inverter in the van for some recharge..

I plane to have (wheel hold) bike rack on the van to carry and recharge the electric bike.. A few switches and conectors could get rid of the inverter..

This is not thread drift.. This is day to servival..

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:52 am

Electricity comes off the solar panels on the roof, tied into the 230V mains (this is Italy, not the US), stored via deep cell. Not the cheapest solution, but it beats having to remain subservient to ENEL.

BTW - I'm rather a fan of 220/234V mains, instead of the US 117 V system. Smaller wiring, less noticable line drop, etc., etc. Of course, you have less amps (that makes a dif for some things like heating elements), but all in all much more efficient/convenient. Esp, as we found, for battery charging... which makes a dif for your reserve capacity deep cycle maintenance.

Of course, to do it here you need to import your stuff... light bulbs, etc... but if you're living off grid ANYWAY, as long as everything matches, you're OK.

That's where the electricity comes from, once you're off-grid.

You can also do what I call the Electric MV Fallback strategy used by some at BRC - put an EU-2000 (or a pair of them) in the vehicle and run your EV charger from there...

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:18 am

We have friends visit in RV's.. I run a 220 line off the back of the dryer.. Then spilt it to 110 at the RV.. I run this power through a #12 extention cord.. Us the same cord for the chair saw, string trimmer, leaf blower. chipper and the mower.... It also makes a great supplie for projects being done in the yard.. OH YA I put a iron stake/ground for the third wire at the 110v conection (an outlet box mounted on a plastic step ) .. You can tell the differance in line drop from one system to the other.. The life of your equipment is improved too..

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:45 pm

My computer got knocked out today, The house power grid took a bump. The complete computer system at the university where me doughter works crashed.. So hows that for one little solor flare??? There are a few remamets on the way in over the next 34-48 hours.

Things that go bump in the night..

My son is a putter tec.. He had to come over and touch this thing to get it to come on line..

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:58 pm

I've put together a small solar array and as many of you know, it is not a cheap investment! Plus, to be able to recharge an electric vehicle after you have used it during the daytime will require an enormous collection of batteries to recharge the vehicle to capacity.

It can be done; I do not deny that. But a million electric vehicles on the road in four years is simply going to overwhelm the grid. And as we are all keenly aware, the current grid is fairly fragile and will not be up to the task within that time frame. It's just a cart-before-the-horse scenario IMO. no pun intended

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:11 pm

The russians started building nuclear powered vehicles and micro generators in the fifties.
We could do that.

That would be a cool cold war artifact for a certain camp.
Red power?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:59 am

So, here might be a small example, of the "worth" of preparedness:

We got about a foot of snow here last night.
the power is out, so, I went out and fired up the propane powered generator (one of two). It runs from it's own tank, but, having a lot of propane stored here, I can hook up and run for days or even weeks, if needed.
I have to break out one of my chainsaws, since a large limb fell out of an oak and is laying across an axillary power line to my shop building.
I will then get on my diesel powered tractor (which is running fuel I partially made from WMO using my centrifuge), to plow the driveway and road, for me, and my neighbors
If I couldn't get to the store, I'd have many days of food here anyway, in my "stash"..

Once I get my solar power array up and working, I'd not even need the generator, except at night, maybe.

Sure, this is no "catastrophe", but, just in general everyday stuff, having things "ready for the big one" (choose your big one), can make life easier at times.
Just maybe, an answer to a query posed by JK (and I'm sure others) related to why some folks do the "EOW" stuff, either as a hobby or "for real".

Dr. Pyro · Post by **Dr. Pyro** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:31 am

Sounds like you could use some company Yggy. I was going to take Barbie up to the snow tomorrow or Sunday. Maybe you and Clyde would like to come out and play?

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:08 am

If preparedness becomes a lifestyle, then you don't worry too much about the big what-ifs, as Yggie rather elequantly put in his small example. Of course, some may see you as an extremist... but they're also the ones who seem to end up sitting on the FEMA cot at the local high school gym.

Personally, I'm not a fan of either High School Gyms or FEMA cots. ;)

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:42 am

Smiling as the true bottom line reveals itself,,,,,

GOOD JOB YGMIR!

edit to add: BBS,,,,, we don't need no fugging FEMA cots! Amen!

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:46 am

I've laid in a good weeks supply of Lone Star.

It's 79 degrees and sunny here at my little ranger station on the Rio Grande...

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:48 am

helitack wrote:I've laid in a good weeks supply of Lone Star.

It's 79 degrees and sunny here at my little ranger station on the Rio Grande...

Sounds like the perfect place for a drug war!

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:49 am

Trishntek wrote:
helitack wrote:I've laid in a good weeks supply of Lone Star.

It's 79 degrees and sunny here at my little ranger station on the Rio Grande...
Sounds like the perfect place for a drug war!

Well, shit happens, thats why we carry guns down here. HUH?

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:54 am

helitack wrote:
Trishntek wrote:
helitack wrote:I've laid in a good weeks supply of Lone Star.

It's 79 degrees and sunny here at my little ranger station on the Rio Grande...
Sounds like the perfect place for a drug war!
Well, shit happens, thats why we carry guns down here. HUH?

ummmm I carry mine either in my brief case or pants pocket,,,, you mean you carry yours in Mr. Stinky?

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:59 am

ygmir wrote:So, here might be a small example, of the "worth" of preparedness:

We got about a foot of snow here last night.
the power is out, so, I went out and fired up the propane powered generator (one of two). It runs from it's own tank, but, having a lot of propane stored here, I can hook up and run for days or even weeks, if needed.
I have to break out one of my chainsaws, since a large limb fell out of an oak and is laying across an axillary power line to my shop building.
I will then get on my diesel powered tractor (which is running fuel I partially made from WMO using my centrifuge), to plow the driveway and road, for me, and my neighbors
If I couldn't get to the store, I'd have many days of food here anyway, in my "stash"..

Once I get my solar power array up and working, I'd not even need the generator, except at night, maybe.

Sure, this is no "catastrophe", but, just in general everyday stuff, having things "ready for the big one" (choose your big one), can make life easier at times.
Just maybe, an answer to a query posed by JK (and I'm sure others) related to why some folks do the "EOW" stuff, either as a hobby or "for real".

I commend you.

I think somehow intent and meaning gets blurred on eplaya. Just to clarify, I see no problem in preparedness in that context. I actually find it smart and admirable.

My skepticism comes in when the motivation for preparedness is primarily to defend ones self from the government coming to take away their rights and freedoms, or white power militias preparing to defend themselves from who knows what.

JK

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:00 am

Trishntek wrote:
helitack wrote:
Trishntek wrote: Sounds like the perfect place for a drug war!
Well, shit happens, thats why we carry guns down here. HUH?
ummmm I carry mine either in my brief case or pants pocket,,,, you mean you carry yours in Mr. Stinky?

Mr Stinky is an outgoing tube only. Pistols are in holsters rifles in the dash rack.

Trishntek · Post by **Trishntek** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:14 am

Jk,,,, I can see where you might get that impression. But I think you will find most of us are more likely acting INDEPENDENTLY from relying on GOV to be of any help when SHTF. Chaos in a society full of spoiled brats, as exemplified by what is going on in Wisconsin today, gives me pause to realize how many people have not paid their own way. When faced with the realities of paying for their own health insurance and pensions, they throw hissy fits without regard for the reality at hand.

And now we have BHO's political strong-arm http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel ... h-etc.aspx bussing protesters to Madison to bolster the chaos. Does that not make you wonder how far we are from a total breakdown of society?

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:22 am

Trishntek wrote:Jk,,,, I can see where you might get that impression. But I think you will find most of us are more likely acting INDEPENDENTLY from relying on GOV to be of any help when SHTF. Chaos in a society full of spoiled brats, as exemplified by what is going on in Wisconsin today, gives me pause to realize how many people have not paid their own way. When faced with the realities of paying for their own health insurance and pensions, they throw hissy fits without regard for the reality at hand.

And now we have BHO's political strong-arm http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel ... h-etc.aspx bussing protesters to Madison to bolster the chaos. Does that not make you wonder how far we are from a total breakdown of society?

Boy, am I glad I got the fuck out of Californ...ooops, I mean Clusterfuckistan when I did...

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:29 am

Trishntek wrote:Jk,,,, I can see where you might get that impression. But I think you will find most of us are more likely acting INDEPENDENTLY from relying on GOV to be of any help when SHTF. Chaos in a society full of spoiled brats, as exemplified by what is going on in Wisconsin today, gives me pause to realize how many people have not paid their own way. When faced with the realities of paying for their own health insurance and pensions, they throw hissy fits without regard for the reality at hand.

And now we have BHO's political strong-arm http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel ... h-etc.aspx bussing protesters to Madison to bolster the chaos. Does that not make you wonder how far we are from a total breakdown of society?

It's always a matter of degree.

But I am confused by your second paragraph. What is your position on the situation in Wisconsin?

JK

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:34 am

No shit, amigo. Thinking about doing the jump myself.

I'm still trying to figure out why there were a metric shitload of TSA officers waiting for our train when it got into Sacramento this AM. 1 or 2 for each door... and a couple standing by the walkway to the train. Gotta love this place.

BTW... speaking of gun racks... I gotta try this out...