What's a Palin

[dr.placebo]

Thanks for the endorsements (I think).

Now that Colin Powell has endorsed Obama, I thought that I'd add the following list (which appears to be accurate, although the amount of vetting I've done only slightly exceeds what McCain did regarding Palin):

http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/3341

And, just to shake you up a bit:

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[Simon of the Playa]

A NEGRO?

PRESIDENT?


what IS this world coming to?

this must certainly be one of the end-time signs...

now excuse me, i have to go out and wait for the rapture so i can score all of those cars that will be empty right after Jesus shows up.


i have my eye on this toyota, right down the block.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

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so now you know how 50% of American voted Bush in twice. With the Neanderthal Vote!

Did anyone see SNL last night and Palin. She refused to do a rap skit at the end of the show. She thought it was inappropriate, but we know why. She's too stupid to remember the lines.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/ ... ap/773781/

I think the show was one of SNL worst!

AIIZ

[Elderberry]

Ya, I posted up another one of those youtube clips from voters in Ohio. It's really scary/sad/disappointing that there are so many 'Neanderthals' still surviving in parts of this country.

I think Palin's 'refusal' to do the skit was planned and part of the script.

JK

[Apollonaris Zeus]

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... 1/81019004

"COLUMBUS, Ohio -- After watching "Saturday Night Live" make fun of her from afar, Sarah Palin witnessed it first hand as Tina Fey engaged in fiction by depicting her at the news conference the Republican vice presidential nominee has yet to hold.
Later, Palin came on stage during the Weekend Update mock news segment and bobbed to the beat as cast member Amy Poehler performed a rap song the Alaska governor decided was too hardcore for her to perform personally"

[theCryptofishist]

Rucklehaus, huh.

[goathead]

Ya, I posted up another one of those youtube clips from voters in Ohio. It's really scary/sad/disappointing that there are so many 'Neanderthals' still surviving in parts of this country.
JK

Or even on the ePlaya.

[betrdanevr]

Ya, I posted up another one of those youtube clips from voters in Ohio. It's really scary/sad/disappointing that there are so many 'Neanderthals' still surviving in parts of this country.

I think Palin's 'refusal' to do the skit was planned and part of the script.

JK

Whatever . . . . it's a totally hilarious spot. I have to admit that it shows that Sarah has a good sense of humor (despite the fact that Obama's gonna win.)

Click here for "Palin Rap:" http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... D=44877778

[DVD Burner]

Ya, I posted up another one of those youtube clips from voters in Ohio. It's really scary/sad/disappointing that there are so many 'Neanderthals' still surviving in parts of this country.
JK

Or even on the ePlaya.

Nope, not as many Neanderthals are on eplaya as there used to be.
They all went to that 3rd rock from the playa site.

[goathead]

Ya, I posted up another one of those youtube clips from voters in Ohio. It's really scary/sad/disappointing that there are so many 'Neanderthals' still surviving in parts of this country.
JK

Or even on the ePlaya.

Nope, not as many Neanderthals are on eplaya as there used to be.
They all went to that 3rd rock from the playa site.

Wonder if this has anything to do with the theme?

[Simon of the Playa]

ACORN SCHMACORN.....whatever. Voter REGISTRATION Fraud is a red Herring, that BOTH sides eat.

actual VOTING FRAUD is anecdotal in it's evidence, and almost non-existent

much ado about nothing, the typical republican wedge issue. Now caught in their own Traps....maybe they should call Joe the Plumber.

Ontario police arrest man in voter fraud case.


Mark Jacoby, who owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state laws with his own registration, authorities say.
By Evan Halper, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
October 20, 2008
SACRAMENTO -- The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario over the weekend on suspicion of voter registration fraud.

State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that all signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California. His firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM, collects petition signatures and registers voters in California and other states.



* Voters say they were duped into registering as Republicans


Jacoby's arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department late Saturday came after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by people employed by YPM. The voters said YPM workers tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters.

The firm was paid $7 to $12 for every Californian it registered as a member of the GOP.

Dan Goldfine, an attorney for Jacoby, on Sunday denied any wrongdoing by his client and called the charges "baseless."

He said the arrest outside an Ontario hotel, which involved seven squad cars and nine police officers, was part of a "long pattern of harassment against Mr. Jacoby for an entirely valid voter registration effort."

Goldfine said the case that prosecutors are bringing against his client involves charges that are rarely pressed.

Jacoby was released on bail Sunday evening from the West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga, Goldfine said.

After complaints by voters and Democratic Party officials, several agencies launched investigations into Jacoby's activities. They included the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, which issued the warrant for his arrest earlier this month on felony charges of voter registration fraud and perjury.

"We contacted people at the addresses where he registered, and they have no idea who he is," said Dave Demerjian, head deputy of the public integrity unit at the L.A. County district attorney's office.

Goldfine said his client does business in many states, traveling frequently, and his permanent address has been his parents' Los Angeles County home, where he received mail and registered to vote.

Demerjian said his office is continuing to investigate allegations that YPM workers improperly re-registered voters with the GOP.

Several dozen voters recently told The Times that YPM workers said they had to become Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California initiative law. Other voters said they had no idea their registration was being changed.

YPM has been accused of using bait-and-switch tactics across the country. Election officials and lawmakers have launched investigations into the activities of YPM workers in Florida and Massachusetts. In Arizona, the firm was recently a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit.

In a written statement Sunday, the state Republican Party called the charges against Jacoby "politically motivated." The party said the charges do not support accusations from voters and Democratic officials that YPM has been duping voters into joining the GOP.

The statement accused Secretary of State Debra Bowen, who announced the arrest, of "using her office to play politics."

[gyre]

Non-existent?

They caught dead people voting here and people with vacant addresses.
They tried to strike me off once.
I told them they had fifteen minutes to get me back on the rolls and they did it.

We just had a politician sentenced to 20 years for corruption too.
I couldn't be more surprized myself.

[DVD Burner]

Speaking of desperate,

I'm surprised that Bush has not declared a war somewhere or something to put the Martial Law in place.

[Simon of the Playa]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!


i am so blaming you if that happens.

[DVD Burner]

[lurker]

Do you really want chapter and verse or are you just being difficult?

Well, yes. I do. Otherwise there's no proof--it's anecdotal. And, since refusing care is a serious offense, there should be some hard evidence

Most cases I know of, there is no paperwork because they just let you sit for days until you leave.

Ah, so they avoid dloing paperwork so it doesn't show up? No.

If you're there for 'days' there is a record for it. There is no way for it not to show up--bedcount is a vital process at a hospital as rooms are pricey.

They assume that if you are in pain, you're drug seeking.

They assume you're drug seeking if they have a reason to. We got hundreds of calls from people who 'lose' their prescriptions every day. I put 'lose' in quotes because these are the people that refused to alleviate their 'pain' by coming in for clinic dispensed doses--they wanted that scrip.

Too much of this and good patients feel the presence of the drug seelers. In inner-city hospitals it's almost unavoidable.

A friend was rescued from the med waiting room and taken to Methodist by a friend.
Due to the delay, they were rushed into emergency surgery and just saved.

Crappy situation, but that sounds like care recieved--not denied.

You're welcome to a set of my medical records from two visits to Methodist without treatment.

So there ARE records! And you're pursuing this? Or did you just not get the treatment you wanted? That happens. Patient wants one thing, but the professional(the one paying massive malpractice premuims) decides on a different course. Get government out of medicine, support loser pays, and maybe the doctor will listen a bit more. Until then he/she is going to do what they think will fix the problem based on what THEY know, rather than a patients usually poorly informed wishes.

Last visit was for treatment for non-stop pain since last visit and loss of speech and all sensation in my right arm.
Diagnosis was "tired and disheveled". Sent home.

Ah, and now we get to it. It WAS care--it was just care you felt was inadequate. Well, get used to it. That's bureacrat controlled care for you.

MRI says subdural hematoma for over two months.
Paid cash to get an MRI.
Good thing I had the money.
Rushed into icu at Baptist East and neurosurgery the next day.

Good. And good thnat you had the cash for that extra--otherwise jkisha would be telling you to go die already and stop being a drain on the State's resources--there are Useful Citizens who need care.

All damage occurred after the accident due to lack of treatment.
No one knows why I survived it.
Not supposed to.
They weren't sure of my survival until six months after the surgery.

Where was the lack of treatment? You still haven't shown that. Where was this initial lack of treatment after the accident? It sounds as if you're saying that there was some facility that did not treat you immediately after this accident. Where was that?

[Elderberry]

Speaking of desperate,

I'm surprised that Bush has not declared a war somewhere or something to put the Martial Law in place.

Ya, I've been waiting for the terror level to go up, or a big announcement from europe about an aborted terrorist attack too.

JK

[lurker]

* Voters say they were duped into registering as Republicans

Here's one of those odd claims leveled at Republicans. This is reported as 'fraud'...but is it?

Are the registrants legal citizens? If so, no fraud.

Do they have valid adresses? If so, no fraud.

Do they all WANT to be registered as Republicans? If they don't, it isn't fraud. What? But they don't want to be Republicans! Thaey're being registered as members of a party they don't want to be in and that wil....do absolutely nothing insofar as the vote is concerned.

Party membership is voluntary--they can change it at whim. Being a Democrat or Republican does not mean that you have to vote for either partys candidates. At most, it means that your mail will have more of one partys ads than the others.

Whatever your listed affiliation, you can vote for who you want. See 'Republicans for Obama' and Democrats for McCain'.

So no vote fraud.

But there WAS fraud here--and not just in that guy using an old address to register.

See, the people who were paying this firm were defrauded because the firm falsified the party affiliations. They had to pay extra for each GOP registrant. So there was fraud perpetrated here--against the RNC.

The voters will vote for whoever they want, and the RNC will pay $7 to $12 bucks for legally registering a bunch of Obama voters.

Not quite the same thing as what Palestra.net was talking about--it's vote fraud when the person being registered is not legally able to vote for a variety of reasons. It's vote fraud when votes are cast illegally. It's not vote fraud when they list your party improperly.

[lurker]

Ya, I posted up another one of those youtube clips from voters in Ohio. It's really scary/sad/disappointing that there are so many 'Neanderthals' still surviving in parts of this country.

And yet the Stern clip, with it's 'neanderthal' Obama voters, elicits no remark.....

Don't know the policies, don't know the VP pick......but not a whisper.

[dr.placebo]

The big fraud is voter suppression, not invalid voter registration. Voter suppression works not only by discouraging registration but also in discouraging voter turnout, and in providing inadequate resources at the polls.

Both sides have been guilty of it in local contests, but the Republicans appear eager to turn it into an art form.

http://www.slate.com/id/2202428/

[Ugly Dougly]

Ya, I posted up another one of those youtube clips from voters in Ohio. It's really scary/sad/disappointing that there are so many 'Neanderthals' still surviving in parts of this country.

And yet the Stern clip, with it's 'neanderthal' Obama voters, elicits no remark.....

Don't know the policies, don't know the VP pick......but not a whisper.

Howard Stern? Who watches his crap anymore?

Maybe you have a vid?

[lurker]

The big fraud is voter suppression, not invalid voter registration. Voter suppression works not only by discouraging registration but also in discouraging voter turnout, and in providing inadequate resources at the polls.

There is some truth to this. Voter suppression is a problem. Often simple things can put off a voter. Polls find that one of the most common things that gets voters staying home is when they think there's no point in voting

And we see it, at it's most heinous, all the time. During the primaries, while polls were open, I watched Obama get declared 'winner' with less than 25% of precincts reporting--numerous times. In one case less than 1% had reported. This has a big effect--particularly when coupled with stories of 'long lines' and 'voting machine malfunctions'. Why bother when it appears your candidate has already lost?

And...haven't we heard the same thing said recently about McCain having already lost? Why yes we have--and it's in favor of that same candidate who 'won' a state with less than 1% reporting--the same candidate who colluded in a 'rules change' at the DNC convention that kept the country from seeing exactly how good Hillary did. Imagine that.

That's the most common way in which voters are dissuaded from going to the polls.

Now, registration fraud may not seem too important to Slate, but those party registrations I talked about, the ones that don't matter to the voters actual choice--they do have an effect.

See, when polling, party percentages questioned are assigned by seeing what percentage of people are in what party. An influx of people registering in one party will skew the results of polls towards that party. That will lead to polls that have skewed results--and that is why the registration, as Democrats, of people like Mickey Mouse, has a harmful effect even without Mickey showing up to cast a ballot.

Both sides have been guilty of it in local contests, but the Republicans appear eager to turn it into an art form.

Really? Shame that the article you cited offers not one iota of proof of this.

[lurker]

Maybe you have a vid?

I linked the vid.

But don't worry, you don't need to search it out--you'd only figure out some reason why it's invalid and the neanderthal voters would be the ones you think they are now.

Can't have facts getting in the way of the Revolution.

[Elderberry]

Maybe you have a vid?

I linked the vid.

But don't worry, you don't need to search it out--you'd only figure out some reason why it's invalid and the neanderthal voters would be the ones you think they are now.

Can't have facts getting in the way of the Revolution.

none are so blind as those that will not see; and lurker you are the most blind person I know when it comes to facts in this election.

And we see it, at it's most heinous, all the time. During the primaries, while polls were open, I watched Obama get declared 'winner' with less than 25% of precincts reporting--numerous times.

That announcement would do more damage to Obama and help his oponent as this will more often discourage Obama voters from going to the polls--why vote if he's already winning? He doesn't need my vote; so I can just go home and get dinner on the table. Now that is heinous.

JK

[lurker]

Yeah, that's the argument your side always makes. That it would hurt their guy--but voters say something different.

See, when it's reported that they've lost, there's no point--the games over. So why bother?

And I DID point out that the DNC convention roll call vote was halted--because it would show the closeness of the race AND highlight that Hillary got more actual votes--but somehow got fewer delegates.

Of course, you all only have any use for the voters when they vote your way--the rest are...what was it? Neanderthals.

And blind?

Funny, I do engage opposing viewpoints, and I do admit the deficits on the right--as well as pointing out the deficits that you all like to gloss over. But I'm the one that gets called blind.

You parrot talking points. You adhere to positions proved false, and you revel in cheap vulgar shots--before you return to your duckspeak. But I'm the one that gets called blind. Go figure.

[gyre]

Do you really want chapter and verse or are you just being difficult?

Well, yes. I do. Otherwise there's no proof--it's anecdotal. And, since refusing care is a serious offense, there should be some hard evidence

Most cases I know of, there is no paperwork because they just let you sit for days until you leave.

Ah, so they avoid dloing paperwork so it doesn't show up? No.

If you're there for 'days' there is a record for it. There is no way for it not to show up--bedcount is a vital process at a hospital as rooms are pricey.

They assume that if you are in pain, you're drug seeking.

They assume you're drug seeking if they have a reason to. We got hundreds of calls from people who 'lose' their prescriptions every day. I put 'lose' in quotes because these are the people that refused to alleviate their 'pain' by coming in for clinic dispensed doses--they wanted that scrip.

Too much of this and good patients feel the presence of the drug seelers. In inner-city hospitals it's almost unavoidable.

A friend was rescued from the med waiting room and taken to Methodist by a friend.
Due to the delay, they were rushed into emergency surgery and just saved.

Crappy situation, but that sounds like care recieved--not denied.

You're welcome to a set of my medical records from two visits to Methodist without treatment.

So there ARE records! And you're pursuing this? Or did you just not get the treatment you wanted? That happens. Patient wants one thing, but the professional(the one paying massive malpractice premuims) decides on a different course. Get government out of medicine, support loser pays, and maybe the doctor will listen a bit more. Until then he/she is going to do what they think will fix the problem based on what THEY know, rather than a patients usually poorly informed wishes.

Last visit was for treatment for non-stop pain since last visit and loss of speech and all sensation in my right arm.
Diagnosis was "tired and disheveled". Sent home.

Ah, and now we get to it. It WAS care--it was just care you felt was inadequate. Well, get used to it. That's bureacrat controlled care for you.

MRI says subdural hematoma for over two months.
Paid cash to get an MRI.
Good thing I had the money.
Rushed into icu at Baptist East and neurosurgery the next day.

Good. And good thnat you had the cash for that extra--otherwise jkisha would be telling you to go die already and stop being a drain on the State's resources--there are Useful Citizens who need care.

All damage occurred after the accident due to lack of treatment.
No one knows why I survived it.
Not supposed to.
They weren't sure of my survival until six months after the surgery.

Where was the lack of treatment? You still haven't shown that. Where was this initial lack of treatment after the accident? It sounds as if you're saying that there was some facility that did not treat you immediately after this accident. Where was that?

The whole dying and suffering permanent brain damage due to lack of care is the complaint.
You don't seem to be paying attention.
No scans.
No x-rays.
Pain medication as treatment for internal bleeding.
When I called many times, they offered refills for pain.
Then I became unable to make calls.

Cash in a doctor's office is all that saved me and got me a scan.
And I had plenty of insurance at the time.

And how is sitting in a waiting room for days treatment?
If you want paperwork, set it up and I'll give you a deposition.

How is my friend dying in a waiting room treatment?
Only a rescue saved her.

ALL people in pain are treated as drug seeking at the Med.
If you don't arrive in an ambulance, I doubt you ever get seen there.
No treatment, no records.

[lurker]

Okay, the first thing I ask is what did YOUR doctor do? You have insurance, who was your primary care doctor? Surely they acted on your behalf.

The whole dying and suffering permanent brain damage due to lack of care is the complaint.
You don't seem to be paying attention.
No scans.
No x-rays.
Pain medication as treatment for internal bleeding.
When I called many times, they offered refills for pain.
Then I became unable to make calls.

Well, you didn't die, so that's good. I'm having a big problem with what looks like the fact that you didn't see your own doctor--did you?

I can't tell you why they did what they did without knowing the case. From what you've said, there was an accident, and you were hurt sometime before going to this hospital in the first place--yes? It looks like they treated what they saw--did they know about this accident? I don't know what they saw, what you told them, what was the cause. So I'm kinda limited here.

Cash in a doctor's office is all that saved me and got me a scan.
And I had plenty of insurance at the time.

If there was an accident, why didn't your primary precsribe the tests? That's SOP.

I'm seeing this weird time lapse between this accident and when you went seeking care--did you not seek care initially?

And how is sitting in a waiting room for days treatment?

ER waiting room? Did you leave before you were seen? Did you sit there for days?

Again, where was YOUR doctor in all of this?

How is my friend dying in a waiting room treatment?
Only a rescue saved her.

Well she didn't die. I don't know her condition either so I can only guess at what happened. I do know that 'hospitals of last resort' are often very busy in their ERs--too many using the ER as a primary care clinic. And triage is no help unless you're bleeding profusely.

ALL people in pain are treated as drug seeking at the Med.

Like I said. Too many junkies trying to get something to tide them over. It hurts real patients

If you don't arrive in an ambulance, I doubt you ever get seen there. No treatment, no records.

If they take your name, there's a record--its the law.

What you see at places like the Med are the future--if we're forced into socialized medicine. The bureacracy will kill 'hospitals of first resort'. Eliminating the government and insurance bureacracies would go far in reducing prices and improving care.

Bt it's hard to make people see that when the other side bandies the word 'free' around.

[gyre]

I've never had a primary care doctor, whatever that is.
That seems to be an hmo approach.

What does a primary care doctor tell you to do when you have a crash?
Go to the er would be my first guess.

The law also regulates closing of ers.
That law is routinely flouted here too, according to the newspaper and state agencies.

[gyre]

I'm seeing this weird time lapse between this accident and when you went seeking care--did you not seek care initially?

I was unconscious for some time, but the ambulance was called immediately, so not such a big time lapse for the first visit.
I had trouble seeking care after a certain point, due to the functional difficulties.

[Elderberry]

I'm seeing this weird time lapse between this accident and when you went seeking care--did you not seek care initially?

I was unconscious for some time, but the ambulance was called immediately, so not such a big time lapse for the first visit.
I had trouble seeking care after a certain point, due to the functional difficulties.

Hey gyre, don't waste your energy. Even though you are relaying a valid personal experience, it does't quite fit with lurker's "view" of the world; so he will never be convinced of the reality.

JK