Effective Online Communication

ramen · Post by **ramen** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:26 pm

I wonder if there's some kind of visual cue on the new eplaya that tends to create hostile, territorial-aggressive type responses. Each posting is placed in its own little visual box separate from all others. Very unburner-like. Each post in its own cubicle.
It also tends to break up the flow of communication, instead of scrolling smoothly down the page the postings are kind of fenced in.

antron · Post by **antron** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:28 pm

ramen wrote:I wonder if there's some kind of visual cue on the new eplaya that tends to create hostile, territorial-aggressive type responses.

i dunno. i don't think it's the font or text boxes or colors. on my screen there are these words that appear from time to time that seem to cause the flare-ups.

girlie · Post by **girlie** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 2:31 am

>I wonder if there's some kind of visual cue on the new eplaya that tends to create hostile, territorial-aggressive type responses.

I agree with antron that at the core it is people creating any hostile
posts you see, not technology. However i've definitely been finding that
my frustration with the overall thread hierarchy here rises noticeably
during any prolonged browsing of the forums. I now only read through
the threads in short spurts or i begin to feel snappy.

>instead of scrolling smoothly down the page the postings are kind of fenced in

Aside from the philosophical symbolism i think you are definitely on
to something about the boxes and lines separating text. They seem to
make it more difficult for the eyes to track down the page.

nymphgonebad · Post by **nymphgonebad** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:29 am

Spokes wrote:Two groks in two days. WTF?

oh really? you seem to be groking quite a bit yourself there.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:42 am

princess strych-9 wrote:
Spokes wrote:Two groks in two days. WTF?
oh really? you seem to be groking quite a bit yourself there.

Or is he just trying to spell groping and missing the correct key?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 8:51 pm

Daddy says the thread's drifting again. More milk, please.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:21 pm

> I wonder if there's some kind of visual cue on the new eplaya that tends to create hostile, territorial-aggressive type responses. Each posting is placed in its own little visual box separate from all others. Very unburner-like. Each post in its own cubicle. It also tends to break up the flow of communication, instead of scrolling smoothly down the page the postings are kind of fenced in.

IE get the fuck out of my camp, hippie.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:32 pm

> sorry. can't let the masses see behind the scenes.

Haven't checked email or lists since I've been back up here. Frankly, I wouldn't know how to explain the whole scene to anybody who wouldn't already know exactly what I was talking about. Jeesh.

ramen · Post by **ramen** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:13 am

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:49 am

You name yourself after a hippie lunch snack.

Your avatar is a monkey.

Do you wear a black vinyl Utilikilt, by any chance?

ramen · Post by **ramen** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 12:55 am

Love me, love my avatar!

Sorry, no, I don't have a black Utilikit, but I'm sure I'd look simply marvelous in one.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 2:26 am

> ...don't have a black Utilikit, but I'm sure I'd look simply marvelous in one.

Cha-ching!!!

nymphgonebad · Post by **nymphgonebad** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 4:17 am

speaking of which, starting sometime tommorrow ( i may have jury duty in the am ) i will be having a constume and finery get together. i have an elna and a serger, tons of fabric, plus assorted accoutrements. everyone is welcome to come; we'll be making music, making merry, making love.

where" 6608 cutting blvd
el cerrito, ca 94530
h-510-233-2914
c-415-596-4874

when: extact time tba - sometime on monday the 29th.

not only can you make a utilikilt, but i happen to have some balck shiny pvc material that's screaming your name......

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:55 am

I think an official BM internet radio station would be an effective way for the burner community to keep in touch with what is going on. I'm in the midwest and its rare that I hear about anything. The only time I ever feel like I am a burner is when I'm on the playa.

Has Larry thought about setting up a BM Internet radio station.

Kinetic · Post by **Kinetic** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 7:29 am

chengwahkuo wrote:I think an official BM internet radio station would be an effective way for the burner community to keep in touch with what is going on. I'm in the midwest and its rare that I hear about anything. The only time I ever feel like I am a burner is when I'm on the playa.

Has Larry thought about setting up a BM Internet radio station.

Where are you at in the Midwest? There are several regional groups that you might be interested in that can give you a small taste of the BRC experience even when your miles away. I know that KC and Chicago have groups and there are others scattered about. Give us some details and we might be able to help you out.

As for the radio station, the org is pretty busy as is, my hunch is any radio type efforts would be better handled by us instead of the org. If one of us set something up they might adopt it as an unofficial home and make it the de-facto station of sorts. So if you like the idea, do some research into it and consider making it yourself. You get lots of valuable experiences and you are giving one hell of a gift to the burner community.

Beware of the RIAA though...everytime I find a good Internet Radio station, that ugly royalty rights monster shuts it down. The RIAA sucks.

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 8:08 am

I think an official BM internet radio station would be an effective way for the burner community to keep in touch with what is going on. I'm in the midwest and its rare that I hear about anything. The only time I ever feel like I am a burner is when I'm on the playa.

I've found that the first step towards remedying a situation which you find needs changing or a niche that needs filling is to do it.

So, when are you going to start on this project?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 9:00 am

I've never set up an internet radio station... i think i could do it but I dont think i could be on 24x7... anyone out there willing to be some on-air talent? i would hate to make something and have no listeners... do think that there would be listeners?

PJ · Post by PJ » Mon Oct 06, 2003 9:22 am

chengwahkuo wrote:I think an official BM internet radio station would be an effective way for the burner community to keep in touch with what is going on. I'm in the midwest and its rare that I hear about anything. The only time I ever feel like I am a burner is when I'm on the playa.

When in need of information, I never seek it from a broadcast medium. I can speed-read; I can't speed-listen-to-the-radio. For information I strongly prefer a book or a web site. I mostly use radio for entertainment purposes when performing a repetitive or time-consuming task that requires little thinking or analysis. (Fixing machine, radio is on. Designing machine, no music please. Flying cross-country in nice weather, CD player is on. Driving through a construction zone with fast nighttime bumper-to-bumper traffic, silence please.)

THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN · Post by **THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 9:30 am

PJ wrote:
chengwahkuo wrote:I think an official BM internet radio station would be an effective way for the burner community to keep in touch with what is going on. I'm in the midwest and its rare that I hear about anything. The only time I ever feel like I am a burner is when I'm on the playa.
When in need of information, I never seek it from a broadcast medium. I can speed-read; I can't speed-listen-to-the-radio. For information I strongly prefer a book or a web site. I mostly use radio for entertainment purposes when performing a repetitive or time-consuming task that requires little thinking or analysis. (Fixing machine, radio is on. Designing machine, no music please. Flying cross-country in nice weather, CD player is on. Driving through a construction zone with fast nighttime bumper-to-bumper traffic, silence please.)

Isotopia wrote:
I think an official BM internet radio station would be an effective way for the burner community to keep in touch with what is going on. I'm in the midwest and its rare that I hear about anything. The only time I ever feel like I am a burner is when I'm on the playa.
I've found that the first step towards remedying a situation which you find needs changing or a niche that needs filling is to do it.

So, when are you going to start on this project?

ok so who want's a Burningman internet radio/webcast/multicast/unicast?
i have the equiptment and have been asking this of burningman since 1994.
if you folks want it i will build it. i just cannot run it.

if you guys set up the layout, and web design i have the servers and software. hey so now what?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 9:57 am

I'd vote for a BM radio station, I'd even do a shift or two if I could do them remotely....

THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN · Post by **THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN** » Mon Oct 06, 2003 10:00 am

hey now.
see!
now we're talking. anymore remote vburns?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 6:31 am

i guess no one else is interested in it.....

girlie · Post by **girlie** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:09 am

>> I think an official BM internet radio station would be an effective way for the burner community to keep in touch with what is going on.

I'm not a big radio fan, but i think a year-round burner-run newsletter
could be helpful. A "by the people for the people" kind of thing to
distribute information, publish opinion pieces, run burner/theme camp/art
piece profiles and stories of interest to our community.

Anyone know if something like this has been done before? Any blatent
reasons why something like that wouldn't work?

THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN · Post by **THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:18 am

yep it's been done for a few years now. it's called the "burningman" website.

just funning. i just think that a few things need to be added to the burningman site and chengwahkuo has a point. out of all of the art that burningman has on it's site there is not an offical webcast/broadcast/radiostation.
especially with all the artists that like to listen to all types of music and burners that like to physically listen to internet radio. it would be nice to hear a burner radio.. i myself have a few internet radio stations i like to listen to like "the ministry of sound" run and owned by boy geroge.

burningman can be at the forefront in this field with all the awsome engineers and awsome artists and webdesigners surrounding them. it would be wise to take advantage of it a.s.a.p.

Tiara · Post by **Tiara** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:22 am

Last fall, Dusty Balls (anyone know where he's gone?) set up an internet broadcast of tapes from various playa radio broadcasts from past years. It was wonderful! Nothing quite like fixing dinner in your own kitchen while being reminded about porta potty etiquette and impending dust storms.

I don't know the current status of the project. That internet broadcast channel is no longer available though.

girlie · Post by **girlie** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:31 am

>> yep it's been done for a few years now. it's called the "burningman" website.

Not quite the "by the people for the people" sort of thing i was talking
about. The burning man website and jack rabbit speaks newsletter are
understandabley biased and don't necessarily represent everyone's
burning man experience.

>> burningman can be at the forefront in this field with all the awsome engineers and awsome artists and webdesigners surrounding them. it would be wise to take advantage of it a.s.a.p.

Much of burning man is still run by volunteers. Have you considered
doing some research on what it would take to start this radio station
yourself?

THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN · Post by **THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:37 am

girlie wrote: Much of burning man is still run by volunteers. Have you considered
doing some research on what it would take to start this radio station
yourself?

as chengwahkuo as my witness i have offered all including equiptment for not only the past month but since 1994.

i have no idea what the problem is. but ok by me.
i cant remember the last time i posted but thats not important. what is is getting it started and official.

III · Post by **III** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:39 am

>by the people for the people

girlie, i'm liking this idea. sort of a year round version of piss clear.

questions/problems i kind of have wrapping my brain around it are:
- how much editorial conntrol do you (or whoever publishes it) exercise?
- how do you go about getting a readership? advertise though jrs?
- in attempting to avoid the llc bias, would you necessarily introduce your own?

i think it's an idea worth pursuing. i'd even be willing to help out, i think. but i don't think i have the temprament, or lack of bias myself, to run it on my own effectively.

girlie · Post by **girlie** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:13 am

>> - how much editorial conntrol do you (or whoever publishes it) exercise?

There are standard editorial ethics that provide suitable guidelines for this
sort of thing. I'll do some more research on this. I would imagine that
the editor would need to have some measure of control, if only for quality
control issues.

>> - how do you go about getting a readership? advertise though jrs?

Advertise through JRS, the Regional Lists, print out copies to hand out at
events, etc. I imagine it would be more cost effective to initially just run
it online, and then move to print if there was a budget (or subscriber base)
for it.

>> - in attempting to avoid the llc bias, would you necessarily introduce your own?

I think journalistic ethics would cover this a little, but there'd definitely be
some risk of bias. It would depend upon who the editorial staff was.

>> i think it's an idea worth pursuing. i'd even be willing to help out

I've been brainstorming a lot lately about BMorg/burner communication
issues, and have had it in the back of my mind that i want to start some
sort of project this year with those issues in mind. I’m not a writer or an
editor, but i’m a good manager, and have faith that there are plenty of
skilled folks that could be brought on board for this. Let’s talk about it
some more. If anyone else is interested in discussing the potential of
this speak up – maybe we could get something going.

THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN · Post by **THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:23 am

well chengwahkuo you may be right.

i understand what you mean. still text/journal seems all that most burners want. they dont want music i suppose. so maybe next year the idea will catch on or burningman will perfer to do it without me, but if you need info on how to do it or if and when you get something going and run into compications your welcome to ask info from me.

any platform. and just so you know which i'm talking about, pc, mac, sun and any software you decide to use.

anybody want to flame me that's ok. i'm just sendin info to those who want it and to whom has asked me.

in fact nothing to flame about.

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