GEORGE W BUSH is so good .....

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:12 pm

Another new Bush & Shoe game.

Go figure!

http://www.sockandawe.com/

Hey, I dont go and look for these, they get sent to me.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:43 pm

Father offers daughter to shoe-thrower

Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:12pm ES

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... UH20081217

CAIRO (Reuters) - An Egyptian man said on Wednesday he was offering his 20-year-old daughter in marriage to Iraqi journalist Muntazer al-Zaidi, who threw his shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush in Baghdad on Sunday,

The daughter, Amal Saad Gumaa, said she agreed with the idea. "This is something that would honor me. I would like to live in Iraq, especially if I were attached to this hero," she told Reuters by telephone.

Her father, Saad Gumaa, said he had called Dergham, Zaidi's brother, to tell him of the offer. "I find nothing more valuable than my daughter to offer to him, and I am prepared to provide her with everything needed for marriage," he added.

Zaidi's gesture has struck a chord across the Arab world, where President Bush is widely despised for invading Iraq in 2003 and for his support for Israel.

Amal is a student in the media faculty at Minya University in central Egypt.

Zaidi's response to the proposal was not immediately clear.

(Reporting by Mohamed Abdellah, Writing by Jonathan Wright)

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:05 am

Let's hear it for women's rights!

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:13 am

joel the ornery wrote:Let's hear it for women's rights!

funny how the "champions" forget those things..........huh?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:35 am

Mind you, dudes already married.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:36 am

wrong page, again...........

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:48 am

muslims are allowed 4 wives, i believe ... plus mistresses ... the saudi princes have hundreds ...

from what i've read ... more than one wife is necessary so she does not see herself as the man's equal ... but two is no good, because they'll compete with each other and get jealous ... three won't work, because two will gang up against one ... so you need four, so they can be a real, little community...

i think i got this from T.E. Lawrence, so it may be dated, but i have read this other places as well. and yes, of course i know muslims with only one wife!!! i have no idea what the norm is ... i just find these cultural bits interesting ...

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:10 am

Which other countries came to the rescue of 'women's rights' in this country? As littleflower said, it is a cultural thing in their culture. If it is going to be changed, what makes us think it is our 'right and responsibility' to go into another country and try and change their culture by force? We're having a hard enough time just trying to manage and cope with the cultural changes in our own country.

JK

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:21 am

I myself dont have a problem with having several wives.

Shit, I have several girlfriends and we all work out pretty well.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:27 am

jkisha wrote:Which other countries came to the rescue of 'women's rights' in this country? As littleflower said, it is a cultural thing in their culture. If it is going to be changed, what makes us think it is our 'right and responsibility' to go into another country and try and change their culture by force? We're having a hard enough time just trying to manage and cope with the cultural changes in our own country.

JK

no one comes to this countries aid, or rescue.

I agree,, but, might also submit we've gone to change cultures, and, arguably with reason, "right and responsibility", when, the culture of a particular society is genocide, or the like..........Balkans, maybe WWII, potentially darfur?

so, perhaps the argument isn't should we, just, where do we draw the line?

I'd say out cultural problems, as much as anything, have to do with the fact we have so many cultures in one country...........that has always allowed for conflict........

for right or wrong, IIRC, the thinking of immigration in the 19 century, and Ellis Island, etc, was to leave the culture of your homeland, there, and, become "Americans"........learn the language, live here, live this culture.........even changed names.....given by "the authorities" when they got here. it happened to my ggf.........at Ellis Island.

just some thoughts.

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:28 am

jkisha wrote:Which other countries came to the rescue of 'women's rights' in this country? As littleflower said, it is a cultural thing in their culture. If it is going to be changed, what makes us think it is our 'right and responsibility' to go into another country and try and change their culture by force? We're having a hard enough time just trying to manage and cope with the cultural changes in our own country.

JK

what a strange post, jk .... has anyone here suggested that they change their culture? even george bush? i do believe bush wanted to get rid of saddam ... but has he suggested they change their marriage laws? if so, i would like to see a cite. in any case, i sure as hell would not want to be a woman in a traditional islamic society.

i also wonder whether you are as supportive of their cultural treatment of gay people ...

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:20 am

Did anyone else hear they blew up the shoes?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:34 pm

Iraqi judge says shoe-throwing reporter was beaten

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA â€“ 2 hours ago

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD955UAQG0

BAGHDAD (AP) â€” A judge announced a probe Friday into the beating and bruising of an Iraqi journalist's face moments after he hurled his shoes at President George W. Bush, and said investigators destroyed the shoes in their search for explosives.

The statement to The Associated Press by Dhia al-Kinani, the investigating judge, was the first official word that Muntadhar al-Zeidi was hurt after his outburst at a news conference by Bush and Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. According to the judge, al-Zeidi suffered a bruised face and eyes.

Al-Zeidi has been in custody since the Sunday attack and hasn't been seen since by relatives or a lawyer.

One of his brothers, Uday, alleged Friday that the isolation indicates he was abused.

"Until now, neither an attorney nor anyone from his family has seen him and this is clear evidence that Muntadhar was under intense torture," he said at a demonstration by about 20 family members just outside the Green Zone. "The investigation process is now under way in mysterious circumstances."

Al-Zeidi was wrestled to the ground seconds after throwing his shoes, and the judge said videotape of the scuffle would be studied carefully.

The journalist "was beaten in the news conference and we will watch the tape and write an official letter asking for the names of those who assaulted him," the judge said. He said al-Zeidi could choose not to pursue charges related to the beating; he did not say why he decided to open an investigation.

Al-Zeidi wasn't the only person who ended up with a bruised eye. White House press secretary Dana Perino suffered an eye injury when she was hit in the face with a microphone during the melee.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Friday that the treatment of al-Zeidi was a matter for Iraqi authorities to deal with.

"Certainly, nobody wants anybody to be mistreated while they're in custody," he said. "I can't attest to these allegations, however."

Al-Zeidi's case has become a rallying point among opponents of the U.S. invasion and military presence in Iraq. A Saudi reportedly offered $10 million for just one of the shoes and an Iranian cleric suggested they should become museum pieces.

The judge, however, said investigators destroyed the shoes trying to determine if they contained explosives. He did not say whether they found any.

Despite widespread sympathy for al-Zeidi among Iraqis, al-Kinani said the case cannot be dropped â€” though he noted that neither Bush nor al-Maliki has sought charges. Al-Maliki was standing next to Bush at the time of the attack.

"This case was filed because of an article in the law concerning the protection of the respect of sovereignty," he said. The journalist is expected to face charges of insulting a foreign leader. A conviction could bring a sentence of two years in prison.

The judge also confirmed that al-Zeidi had written a letter of apology to al-Maliki. A spokesman for al-Maliki had said Thursday that al-Zeidi asked for a pardon in the letter. But al-Zeidi's brother Dhargham told the AP that he suspected the letter was a fake.

The prime minister can recommend to Iraq's president that a pardon be granted, but the judge said such a pardon can be issued only after a conviction. There have been no indications whether or not al-Maliki is likely to recommend a pardon.

The judge said the al-Zeidi investigation would be completed and sent to the criminal court on Sunday, after which a court date would be set within seven to 10 days.

Thousands of Iraqis demonstrated again Friday for al-Zeidi's release.

At Friday prayers in Baghdad's Shiite stronghold Sadr City, cleric Mohanad al-Moussawi told worshippers that "al-Zeidi's life must be protected and he must be immediately, immediately, immediately released."

Sadr City protesters also laid down two American flags, hit them with shoes and burned them to protest his detention. And in southern city of Kufa, hundreds raised shoes in support of al-Zeidi and also protested what they said was the arrest by American forces of an official of Momahoudin, a militia led by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr that was disbanded and turned into a social welfare group. The U.S. military would not comment on the alleged arrest.

In London, about 50 protesters shook their shoes at the U.S. Embassy in a show of support for al-Zeidi.

In the West Bank village of Bilin, Palestinians hurled shoes rather than the usual rocks at Israeli soldiers in the weekly Friday protest against the Israeli separation barrier, which slices through their fields.

And the head of a large West Bank family offered one of its eligible females as a bride for al-Zeidi. Ahmad Salim Judeh, 75, said his 500-member clan had raised $30,000 for al-Zeidi's legal defense.

Many supporters of al-Zeidi hold Bush personally responsible for the tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians who have lost their lives since the U.S.-led invasion of 2003.

On Friday, a Baghdad police official said seven disembodied heads and two complete corpses were found in a deserted building in Sadr City. The victims appeared to have been killed about two years ago, the officer said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters.

Associated Press writers Jim Heintz and Patrick Quinn in Baghdad and Matthew Lee in Washington contributed to this report.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:39 pm

Imagine, tens of thousands of Iraqi's dead, a guy throws a shoe in frustration and Bush doesn't "know what the guys beef is".

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:50 pm

it is theater at this point.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:33 pm

I understand he left a note because he expected to be killed.
Puts a different perspective on it.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:37 pm

Yea, it's only a couple of tens of thousands of women, children, elderly.......just people in general, dead over a simple little white lie.

No biggie.

Everyone just needs to get the fuck over it.

and this shoe guy needs to toughen up and take the punches.

Or just roll with it.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:26 pm

You know something, I was really worried this past year when I realized Bush was not going to be president much longer and thought, "WTF, No George Bush. What are we all gonna do for jokes".

I got a feeling he is going to be the butt of jokes for a very long time.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:44 pm

DVD Burner wrote:You know something, I was really worried this past year when I realized Bush was not going to be president much longer and thought, "WTF, No George Bush. What are we all gonna do for jokes".

I got a feeling he is going to be the butt of jokes for a very long time.

What jokes? Like did ya hear the one about the economy and the war and how Nato shot down Santa Claus?

klondike_bar · Post by **klondike_bar** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:38 pm

DVD Burner wrote:You know something, I was really worried this past year when I realized Bush was not going to be president much longer and thought, "WTF, No George Bush. What are we all gonna do for jokes".

I got a feeling he is going to be the butt of jokes for a very long time.

well clinton is still given hell every time he comes within 5ft of a woman....:p

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:53 pm

LIES! Clinton is not that hung.

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:11 pm

DVD Burner wrote:LIES! Clinton is not that hung.

I have heard that she is very well hung and that will work as Sec of State

I guess the new news (more poetry) is that the Bush admin is not going to release emails after they leave office as is done normally.

And this is encouraging..

Biden Not Ruling Out Prosecuting Bush Officials For Prisoner Abuse

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2008/12 ... rulin.html

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:30 pm

Oh hey. Now that is good news.

But i bet this is just all talk and no action as usual.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:39 pm

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:30 pm

Iraqi Artist Builds Monument for Shoe-thrower

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Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:47 pm

wedeliver wrote:
Biden Not Ruling Out Prosecuting Bush Officials For Prisoner Abuse

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2008/12 ... rulin.html

Here's how I am now thinking this will play out. Obama has been doing everything that he can do to encourage non-partisan politics--invitations to the GOP for meetings, cocktails, etc.; way more than anything that Bush ever did. And yet, not even ONE Republican voted for his stimulus package. And they have the gaul to now try and proffer a stimulus package of their own--I say gaul because I believe that the majority of people are fed-up with what the Republicans have been putting forth over the last 8 years and have clearly voted for something new.

In the spirit of reconciliation and non-partisanship, Obama has decided that it might not be good to prosecute crimes of the previous administration, HOWEVER when all of his attempts at conciliation have failed, and assuming his public support is still high, I think he will do a complete 180 and investigate and prosecute the hell out of the past administration. And I think that this will, if the timing is right, only boost his popularity and even further weaken the Republicans.

Hell, there might even be a change in the law to allow him to run for a third or fourth term! LOL (well, I don't know about this one, but I'm pretty sure about the rest)

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:33 pm

double post, sorry

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:34 pm

jkisha wrote:
wedeliver wrote:
Biden Not Ruling Out Prosecuting Bush Officials For Prisoner Abuse

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2008/12 ... rulin.html
Here's how I am now thinking this will play out. Obama has been doing everything that he can do to encourage non-partisan politics--invitations to the GOP for meetings, cocktails, etc.; way more than anything that Bush ever did. And yet, not even ONE Republican voted for his stimulus package. And they have the gaul to now try and proffer a stimulus package of their own--I say gaul because I believe that the majority of people are fed-up with what the Republicans have been putting forth over the last 8 years and have clearly voted for something new.

In the spirit of reconciliation and non-partisanship, Obama has decided that it might not be good to prosecute crimes of the previous administration, HOWEVER when all of his attempts at conciliation have failed, and assuming his public support is still high, I think he will do a complete 180 and investigate and prosecute the hell out of the past administration. And I think that this will, if the timing is right, only boost his popularity and even further weaken the Republicans.

Hell, there might even be a change in the law to allow him to run for a third or fourth term! LOL (well, I don't know about this one, but I'm pretty sure about the rest)

JK

Is, or, will there be, a statute of limitation?
I ask in reference to any crimes be previous administrations before "W"..........

also, I believe it's a constitutional amendment to limit terms........
those are hard to change.........state ratification, and all.........

and, laws are good when you agree, but, what if someone where there you didn't like?
Would you have proposed that if Nixon were in office, hoping a good liberal would come along and unseat him, at at point?

I'm just sayin, think about the "other edge"...........

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:14 pm

ygmir wrote: Is, or, will there be, a statute of limitation?
I ask in reference to any crimes be previous administrations before "W"..........

I don't think there is a SOL on war crimes, though I could be wrong; but it seems that they are still prosecuting Nazi war crimes to this day when any living offenders are found.

ygmir wrote: also, I believe it's a constitutional amendment to limit terms........
those are hard to change.........state ratification, and all.........

I don't really think this would happen; just a passing thought at that moment.

ygmir wrote:
and, laws are good when you agree, but, what if someone where there you didn't like?
Would you have proposed that if Nixon were in office, hoping a good liberal would come along and unseat him, at at point?

I voted for Nixon.

(this was part of the last question, right? Same answer then.)

ygmir wrote: I'm just sayin, think about the "other edge"...........

There's always the 'other edge'; and I'm not saying that's the way it should be; I'm just saying that if the Republicans keep behaving in a partisan way, I don't think the Dems will put up with it for too much longer--especially since they don't really have to with their numbers now. (And as long as Obama's popularity and aproval ratings remain high.) This is just a prediction I am making based on what I am seeing on the news.

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:31 pm

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote: Is, or, will there be, a statute of limitation?
I ask in reference to any crimes be previous administrations before "W"..........
I don't think there is a SOL on war crimes, though I could be wrong; but it seems that they are still prosecuting Nazi war crimes to this day when any living offenders are found.

ygmir wrote: also, I believe it's a constitutional amendment to limit terms........
those are hard to change.........state ratification, and all.........
I don't really think this would happen; just a passing thought at that moment.

ygmir wrote:
and, laws are good when you agree, but, what if someone where there you didn't like?
Would you have proposed that if Nixon were in office, hoping a good liberal would come along and unseat him, at at point?
I voted for Nixon. (this was part of the last question, right? Same answer then.)

ygmir wrote: I'm just sayin, think about the "other edge"...........
There's always the 'other edge'; and I'm not saying that's the way it should be; I'm just saying that if the Republicans keep behaving in a partisan way, I don't think the Dems will put up with it for too much longer--especially since they don't really have to with their numbers now. (And as long as Obama's popularity and aproval ratings remain high.) This is just a prediction I am making based on what I am seeing on the news.

JK

Would war crimes include Bosnia?............

Also remember that the powers in the house and senate are made to protect the minority party........as oft used to justify dems actions when in that position, and, the same by reps........

interesting how frustrated you seem with partisanship on the reps part.
Do you feel the same when the dems do it? Don't try to tell me they don't..........grin...........or say "they don't do it nearly as bad or as often".......

I understand, being a dem., that you'd accept their partisanship as ok, because, it's "right thinking", but...........partisanship is just that, and, it seems a lot of representatives are elected to be just that.........

I don't like it on either side, to be set in ideology.......sometimes, right is right,and, you should do it............

I've always thought we should vote nationally for house and senate.
We'd tend to vote for people who'll do whats right (insert your own POV here) for the country, and, not just bring home pork to their respective constituents...........
or, vote for the house or senate person from another district.....and, not reciprocal, ie:

CA votes for DE, who votes for WI, and on and on.........again, I think it would focus more on the county as a whole, not special interest as much.......

IMHO, of course........

I also see differing opinions of "right"............