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[theCryptofishist]

Might credit the fleabaggers for burying local elections in the news. No news would tend to favor the career politicos. Conspiracy?

How, does the teaparty bury things in the news?

@JK:
I don't think the comparison between the subway and the high speed train is valid.
different creatures, IMO.

and, the billions to be spent on it now (it is projected to go way over budget), for a route that will not do anyone any good (Manteca to Bakersfield? huh?) seems just a waste.
Even L.A. to S.F., seems it'd never catch up on costs......it's not like people would use it daily to commute.
And, you know, as it was being built, there'd be a ton of law suits, from environmentalists, and indians (because, somehow, somewhere, it'd go across sacred land), and a host of others..........And, then, being it's in PRC, once finished a previously unknown earthquake fault would be found, and,it'd be shut down, have to get a huge retrofit, or, have to drive at 25 mph for safety, and, not be "high speed" anyway.

yeah, I know.....cynical me..........

Like I said, I can't really argue this, as I know nothing about it. I was surprised at the route you said they would build first. But personally speaking, I know if it were high speed and went to San Francisco I would use it. And I know the LA/Vegas route would be busy as well, probably busier.

Merced to Fresno and Fresno to Bakersfield would be the first two segments built. In part because it's going to take a lot longer and be costlier to buy land around the Bay Area, Los Angeles and San Diego.
And jk, there's at least one Los Angeles to Vegas high speed rail in the works.

[ygmir]

Merced to Fresno and Fresno to Bakersfield would be the first two segments built. In part because it's going to take a lot longer and be costlier to buy land around the Bay Area, Los Angeles and San Diego.
And jk, there's at least one Los Angeles to Vegas high speed rail in the works.

Thanks for the clarification, Fishy.

I just can't see ridership, though, on those two segments, being anywhere near worth it.
Who commutes those, and how much? Of course, I guess there's always the vacation traffic.......

yeah, isn't the L.A./L.V. route some thing Reid (D, NV) and Boxer (D, CA ) came up with?
Almost seems a "make work" project. I still can't imagine, them being cost efficient, let alone pay for themselves, or, save resources/environmental damage.
Good idea, if you've got lots of extra money, or, in crowded, small countries.

[Sola Gangsta]

oh please, what an idiot.

it would be an FBI mole you maroon, CIA has no operations inside or on american soil.

get your infiltration straight, please.

That's cold war era thinking Simon. The blurring of agencies started about 10 years ago with the introduction of homeland security. I'm not going to name off all agencies involved in our shadow govt but it should be obvious to most people that we have been turning in a fascist direction for some time now.

-1 for thinking pedantism = intelligence

[Ugly Dougly]

Merced to Fresno and Fresno to Bakersfield would be the first two segments built. In part because it's going to take a lot longer and be costlier to buy land around the Bay Area, Los Angeles and San Diego.
And jk, there's at least one Los Angeles to Vegas high speed rail in the works.

Thanks for the clarification, Fishy.

I just can't see ridership, though, on those two segments, being anywhere near worth it.
Who commutes those, and how much? Of course, I guess there's always the vacation traffic.......

yeah, isn't the L.A./L.V. route some thing Reid D, NV) and Boxer (D, CA )( came up with?
Almost seems a "make work" project. I still can't imagine, them being cost efficient, let alone pay for themselves, or, save resources/environmental damage.
Good idea, if you've got lots of extra money, or, in crowded, small countries.

Making a point about the Democrats, Ygmir?
"Make work" programs are credited with helping to get us out of the Great Depression. Plus we have lots of crumbling infrastructure (remember that collapsing bridge in Minnesota) that can only wait so long for stingy politicians to take action.

"California's population is projected to reach almost 60 million people by 2050, adding over 25 million since the 2000 decennial census..."
http://www.dof.ca.gov/html/demograp/rep ... e_7-07.pdf

[ygmir]

Merced to Fresno and Fresno to Bakersfield would be the first two segments built. In part because it's going to take a lot longer and be costlier to buy land around the Bay Area, Los Angeles and San Diego.
And jk, there's at least one Los Angeles to Vegas high speed rail in the works.

Thanks for the clarification, Fishy.

I just can't see ridership, though, on those two segments, being anywhere near worth it.
Who commutes those, and how much? Of course, I guess there's always the vacation traffic.......

yeah, isn't the L.A./L.V. route some thing Reid D, NV) and Boxer (D, CA )( came up with?
Almost seems a "make work" project. I still can't imagine, them being cost efficient, let alone pay for themselves, or, save resources/environmental damage.
Good idea, if you've got lots of extra money, or, in crowded, small countries.

Making a point about the Democrats, Ygmir?
"Make work" programs are credited with helping to get us out of the Great Depression. Plus we have lots of crumbling infrastructure (remember that collapsing bridge in Minnesota) that can only wait so long for stingy politicians to take action.

yeah, exactly U.D.
I'd much rather see the billions, earmarked (pork) for these "high speed trains to nowhere", used for infrastructure repairs. Yup, fixing that stuff, seems way more important, that a pork barrel project.
The make work, from the depression, was also stuff, that paid back, and paid off, no?
Levees, dams, roads, sea ports.............and, all still valid.

and, not making a point about dems, in general, but, about those two, specifically.
IIRC, the negotiations that those projects came from, were "last minute, closed door" deals........

[Nipple]

While in Morocco, Morocco Mole is just called Mole.

Also: Do you see Secret Squirrel? No. Because he fuck*ng talked.

[Ugly Dougly]

So, San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego are "nowhere"? That figures, coming from a country boy.

I think the point is that adding 25 million to the state's population will probably over-burden our existing highway system. So we're followiing the model of advenced countries who are dealing with that kind of density right now, and they are going for high-speed rail in a big way.


And I'd imagine the rail line from LA to LV ought to be paid for by the casinos anyway.

[Sola Gangsta]

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[Sola Gangsta]

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[ygmir]

So, San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego are "nowhere"? That figures, coming from a country boy.

haha, good one. no, but I'd say Merced to Bakersfield is. and,you gotta know, they'll never do the rest, or, it'll be so far in the future, due to no money, that, the original line will have to be replaced or some such. I just think it's money down a hole.

I think the point is that adding 25 million to the state's population will probably over-burden our existing highway system. So we're followiing the model of advenced countries who are dealing with that kind of density right now, and they are going for high-speed rail in a big way.


is there any info, as to the return on investment, these "advanced" countries are getting on it?

again though, I just don't see enough people riding it, to make it worth the money. The only way for it to pay, (if at all) I'm sure, is pretty darn near full trains, every day. And, people are not going to commute on it. even at high speeds, it's not that short a route. And, if it has tons of stops in between, how fast can it be?
Do these high speed trains carry cargo, or, just passengers?
Yeah, adding 25 million will overburden a lot of roads. But, I'd bet, those roads will be within the urban areas, for commuter/felony high speed chase traffic.
I'd see this rail line, replacing I-5 and Hwy 99, maybe 101. and, I don't see that happening. Truck traffic will still use the highways, and folks going to Disneyland, or wherever, will still mostly drive. I'd bet that train will not be a cheap ticket.
I'm not saying, in theory, it's not a good idea. But, I don't think it's practical, and certainly, the money could be better spent elsewhere, on some of the social programs that are getting cut? Education? How far would those billions go, there?
I see it as a luxury, for sure, and "pork barrel" spending, in the same vein as many pet projects of powerful politicians.


And I'd imagine the rail line from LA to LV ought to be paid for by the casinos anyway.
yeah, right, that's gonna happen.........

In the economic circumstance we find ourselves now, and with so many departments being cut, some very worthy and needed, I just don't see how this could be justified.
How, is this any different, than defense spending on new jets or tanks or whatever?
Many would be screaming, if DOD said they wanted a new tank and here's what it costs.
Well, they're built in the U.S., and so, create jobs here just like the train would. and, if the train is not used anywhere near it's capacity, or purpose (which is what I anticipate), what's the difference?
(this analogy for econic purpose, not debate on war and aggression)

[cowboyangel]

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Zuckerberg....yeah another soul-less entry into the ranks of the 1%

Thanks for the vids Sola Gangsta. I gotta live stream at Oakland this Saturday...rain or shine...gonna be interesting.

Everybody...let's not forget that US banks and investment corporations have what some say is an estimated 1.4 QUADRILLION in toxic derivative holdings.
This is what they mean to foster on the embattled American taxpayer, the global economy...that's me and you buds.... That kind of nuclear bomb hanging over the economy will continue to dampen investment in high speed rail, solar..any worthwhile new technology for a new America.

http://thenewamerican.com/economy/marke ... -taxpayers

"The precise amount that banks make trading derivatives isn’t known, but there is anecdotal evidence of their profitability. Former bank traders who spoke on condition of anonymity because of confidentiality agreements with their former employers said their banks typically earned $25,000 for providing $25 million of insurance against the risk that a corporation might default on its debt via the swaps market. These traders turn over millions of dollars in these trades every day, and credit default swaps are just one of many kinds of derivatives.

Put together, the above-ground derivatives market plus the underground, off-balance-sheet derivatives market total an astounding $1.4 quadrillion (that’s $1400 trillion), according to Graham Summers at Seeking Alpha.

To put that number into some kind of perspective, Summers says that the derivatives market is:

40 times the world’s total stock market
10 times the value of every stock and every bond on the planet
23 times the world’s gross domestic product

At present Bank of America holds derivatives worth approximately $75 trillion, while JPMorgan Chase (already a bank covered by the FDIC) holds another $79 trillion. By Gary North’s estimate, the banks considered too big to fail hold at least $250 trillion in derivatives."


Misled home loan borrowers, pensions, the entire false red flag nonsense of deficit reportage is NOTHING compared to the criminal fraud of our largest banks. Please keep that in perspective as some of you seem content to follow the illogical lies of your friends at FOX. Yesterday, Sean Hannity, had Rudy Giuliani on his idiot show. Rudy said with all seriousness that "Obama was directing the Occupy people" wowie zowie Batman! Rudy rocks! ( with about has much brains as rocks )

[Sola Gangsta]

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[Ugly Dougly]

23 times the world’s gross domestic product

That's a mind-boggling number.
How could that all come from just mortgages from under-qualified borrowers that went belly up?
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

[littleflower]

Just a comment on the high speed train discussion - i'm surprised that no one has mentioned air travel yet. flights up and down the coast are very likely as cheap, or even cheaper, than a high speed train will be ..... and it'll always be faster, as well.

the biggest advantage with trains is that they usually drop you into a city center. as Yg says, that will be the most expensive and time consuming part of creating this line. But even if you get the train to go into LA's Union station, LA doesn't have much of a subway .... you can get to downtown or hollywood easily enough, but that's about it. The train won't be any more convenient than one of the airports. san fran is a different story, but it needs to work both ways, i think.

[Sola Gangsta]

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[Simon of the Playa]

Dear Sola Punk,

the reason why MOST intelligence agencies monitor facebook is because it is valuble for pertinent, real time information which is used to assist our state department and military in their decision making...Google execs and "Special Ops" helped organize and assisted with the electronic logistics behind the "Arab Spring".

i suppose there are google people infiltrating ows to collect street view shots too...

but seriously, the CIA has better things to do than spread lies in some podunk OWS org. in vegas.

i would suggest you look locally for your culprits, The CIA is not the boogeyman under your liberal bed.....

they're in south america, busy giving chavez cancer, duh...

[gyre]

It's not like the nsa has been monitoring all usa long distace calling since the sixties...

[Roberto Dobbisano]

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[Nipple]

I just sent the following email to my Senator and Representative...

Rep. Schrader,

I'm curious what your opinions are on the various "Occupy" and "99%" movements, and how they influence and inform your legislative decisions.

Some topics of interest to me in particular:
Income Tax Code
Corporate Personhood
Social Security and Medicate
Eroding Middle Class
Bailing out large financial institutions

Thank you for taking the time to share your views with me.

[Ugly Dougly]

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[Sola Gangsta]

Dear Sola Punk,

It's easy to act tough behind a keyboard SOTP, but you're making an ass of yourself distorting what I say.

There are people on this board who know who I am. Your threat of violence against me / my suggesting an Occupy sit-in on the playa is ridiculous. Most people at the burn are not like that and the few that I saw shouting negative things about hippy's on the playa are a joke, easily squelched by any serious opposition.

[Nipple]

they're in south america, busy giving chavez cancer, duh...

They put that snake in my mailbox.

[Sola Gangsta]

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[Simon of the Playa]

oh, thank god, the old one certainly wasn't working, now was it.


FLOWER POWER FOR ALL

forever.

[Nipple]

Sola... Vaccinations are bad?

[Sola Gangsta]

SOTP, any guesses who I was referring to when I said "you pussies"?

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[unjonharley]

SOTP, any guesses who I was referring to when I said "you pussies"?

Others like yourself?

[Ugly Dougly]

Now we're making positive progress.

[unjonharley]

Now we're making positive progress.

Just asking..

[Sola Gangsta]

Sola... Vaccinations are bad?

Sneaky like a troll... Forced vaccinations are bad. It should always be a matter of personal choice.