What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

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What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by Canoe » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:57 pm

As "bread on a hanger" in Turkey, you pay for two loaves of bread, but take one, leaving the other to be bagged and hung up for someone who may come later asking for "break on the hook".
  • Or bread left in bags on your fence for someone in need to take.
  • Same as paying it forward for a cup of coffee, or a meal, but not for the next person, it's held at the counter for a person in need.
  • In this modern age, expanded with social media and a wide variety of things, like meals, books, magazines, theatre & concert tickets, food coupons, etc..
  • Like the Free section on kijijji and the like.
And the one who needs to take is separated anonymously from the one who provided.

Surely there's an app for that...

http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20191125-turkeys-ancient-tradition-of-paying-it-forward
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Re: What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by Token » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:18 am

Why indeed, there is an app for that.

It’s called GoFundMe and KickStarter ...

What you lament is cooperative society.

What we have is competitive society.

Sadly, in the 21st century, it appears only crisis brings out some of the values from the past.

TTITD has some aspects of a cooperative society, but it is slowly eroding over time, since ticket scarcity kicked in.

Might be fun to reintroduce that into the Playa meat soup.

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Re: What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by Canoe » Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:20 pm

Token wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:18 am
Why indeed, there is an app for that.

It’s called GoFundMe and KickStarter ...

What you lament is cooperative society.

What we have is competitive society.

Sadly, in the 21st century, it appears only crisis brings out some of the values from the past.

TTITD has some aspects of a cooperative society, but it is slowly eroding over time, since ticket scarcity kicked in.

Might be fun to reintroduce that into the Playa meat soup.
KickStarter no; GoFundMe, yes, but for extraordinary events and not timely for daily or even weekly events.

TTITD eroding? So much of it is a scam just to get placed as a camp so you can get tickets, do some Virtue Signalling and pat yourself on the back for having "contributed". And the org embracing all those PNP camps... like to see an external audit on that.

Need something more grassroots and timely than food-banks and the low-priced unattractive-produce/soon-to-expire local grocery stores. The Free lists are a start. Paying for two loaves and taking one is simple. Need simple.
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Re: What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by A-RockLeFrench » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:36 pm

Token wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:18 am
Why indeed, there is an app for that.

It’s called GoFundMe and KickStarter ...

What you lament is cooperative society.

What we have is competitive society.

Sadly, in the 21st century, it appears only crisis brings out some of the values from the past.

TTITD has some aspects of a cooperative society, but it is slowly eroding over time, since ticket scarcity kicked in.

Might be fun to reintroduce that into the Playa meat soup.
shut up, commie

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Re: What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by Token » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:20 pm

A-RockLeFrench wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:36 pm
Token wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:18 am
Why indeed, there is an app for that.

It’s called GoFundMe and KickStarter ...

What you lament is cooperative society.

What we have is competitive society.

Sadly, in the 21st century, it appears only crisis brings out some of the values from the past.

TTITD has some aspects of a cooperative society, but it is slowly eroding over time, since ticket scarcity kicked in.

Might be fun to reintroduce that into the Playa meat soup.
shut up, commie
Ya know, I done lived under communist rule for ~ dozen years, mid 70s-80s ...

... and I gotta tell ya, compared to the current quagmire that is the U S of A ...

... wasn’t all that bad ...

... one might even say it was better at a big-picture level ...

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Re: What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by A-RockLeFrench » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:27 pm

yeah but who had the better bacon?

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Re: What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by ygmir » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:22 am

Token wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:20 pm
A-RockLeFrench wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:36 pm
Token wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:18 am
Why indeed, there is an app for that.

It’s called GoFundMe and KickStarter ...

What you lament is cooperative society.

What we have is competitive society.

Sadly, in the 21st century, it appears only crisis brings out some of the values from the past.

TTITD has some aspects of a cooperative society, but it is slowly eroding over time, since ticket scarcity kicked in.

Might be fun to reintroduce that into the Playa meat soup.
shut up, commie
Ya know, I done lived under communist rule for ~ dozen years, mid 70s-80s ...

... and I gotta tell ya, compared to the current quagmire that is the U S of A ...

... wasn’t all that bad ...

... one might even say it was better at a big-picture level ...
interesting take.
With all the faults of the U.S., I still see it orders of magnitude better than any socialist/communist nation in the "big picture". Communism (since you refer to living under it), Has never worked out, I think on many, many levels. Sure, as with all things, there are "good parts". But, just look at it's history (on any large scale), and see how it falls apart in fairly rapid order. Having several close friends, who lived decades within the former USSR, (and escaped at great personal peril) the stories of adult living, are pretty bleak. Parts of it, were, the lack of enthusiasm and hope for success. That, seemed reserved only for "party leaders". This, of course, is human nature, IMHO. And no, I don't think the "new communists", would "do it right". They are certainly no more intelligent, that the founders of communism. Arguably, not nearly so. Back then "the people" got on the bandwagon, with promises of "free stuff" and "all pigs are equal"....But, human nature being what it is, it devolved quickly to totalitarian rule, restrictive societal laws, and building a fence to "keep people in"... The last, being the real tell...
(wow, sorry/not sorry for babbling).

I'd take, any time, the mess we've had here for the last 50 years, ebbing and flowing, pendulum swinging, society going from homogeneous to "oil and water".......with still the possibility to benefit directly from hard work and or luck, that the gray monotone of "all pigs are equal" type of society (By APAE, I mean in work and potential to succeed, I feel as far as race, gender, etc, we should all be seen the same, and judged strictly on ability and will) produces. Examples of which in endless stories of people who lived adult, long term lives within..
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Re: What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by Token » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:10 am

A-RockLeFrench wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:27 pm
yeah but who had the better bacon?
Totally different animal over there.

Bacon is fully smoked and shelf stable.

You don’t cook it further unless you want to.

I like bacon both ways; US crispy pan-fried or Iron Curtain cold cut lumps on stale bread.

Both build character ;)

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Re: What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by Token » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:15 am

ygmir wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:22 am

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Yg, we can have a good long talk about story bias of ex-pats from old Soviet era Cold War years ...

... but we maybe want to build a nice fire pit elsewhere on another thread.

Besides, Mother Russia wasn’t the only place communism was a hip thing ... lots of other places had it, some still do.

I’ll just end this here with a profound statement ;) corruption works better when it is accessible to the masses and not just to the lobbyists elite.

A good slab of bacon opened allot of doors in the old days ;)

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Re: What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by ygmir » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:37 pm

Token wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:15 am
ygmir wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:22 am

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Yg, we can have a good long talk about story bias of ex-pats from old Soviet era Cold War years ...

... but we maybe want to build a nice fire pit elsewhere on another thread.

Besides, Mother Russia wasn’t the only place communism was a hip thing ... lots of other places had it, some still do.

I’ll just end this here with a profound statement ;) corruption works better when it is accessible to the masses and not just to the lobbyists elite.

A good slab of bacon opened allot of doors in the old days ;)
fair enough.
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Re: What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by A-RockLeFrench » Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:37 pm

I love the "socialism/communism has never worked" argument.

Like capitalism is "working". :lol:



Token: got any curing and smoking recipes/tips that would produce some bacon in the style of the motherland? Shelf stable and fully smoked, guessing theres some air-curing like a traditional pancetta or bresaola?

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Re: What's on the Hook? (~= Paying it forward)

Post by Token » Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:01 am

A-RockLeFrench wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:37 pm
I love the "socialism/communism has never worked" argument.

Like capitalism is "working". :lol:



Token: got any curing and smoking recipes/tips that would produce some bacon in the style of the motherland? Shelf stable and fully smoked, guessing theres some air-curing like a traditional pancetta or bresaola?
Moisture is the enemy.

Removing moisture is the key to long shelf life.

Three places you can do that:

Long salted cold storage

Longer cold smoke

Longer cure

In general, we salt longer and cure longer to reach that goal.

Longer cold smoke can alter the flavor a bit much so used only in specific regions.

There are also hot smoke variants in some regions at ~ 150F, but usually that’s to “bake in” herbs n runs like paprika or a coating of blood etc.

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