Why are you an atheist?

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:19 am

Read book.
Reread thread.
The answers have always been before you grasshopper.

bringer · Post by **bringer** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:19 am

HughMungus wrote:So because something hasn't been detected, it does not, in fact, exist?

Before answering that question, I would ask by what means could god be detected?

By subtle changes in our chemistry, making us feel loved and wanted?
We could disprove that.
By getting what we want after asking the sky for it?
We could show a cause and effect, but no god.

Its not so much that something hasn't been detected, but that it can not be detected.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:21 am

Rob the Wop wrote:Read book.
Reread thread.
The answers have always been before you grasshopper.

And yet you can't just re-post the answer. How funny. I won't push you on it. Your house of cards might collapse and I don't want to be responsible for that.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:22 am

HughMungus wrote:
Rob the Wop wrote:
HughMungus wrote: My god you really think very highly of yourself don't you? Does it make you feel smart to think that everybody else is stupid?
Where did I say everyone else is stupid?
You think I don't know what "ignorant" means. You must think very highly of yourself and very little of others. No wonder you can't admit that you might be wrong.

Then tell me how "refusing to answer my questions" is tied into "I'm ignorant".

Read book.
Reread thread.
You asked a question, I answered it. Multiple times.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:23 am

bringer wrote:
HughMungus wrote:So because something hasn't been detected, it does not, in fact, exist?

Before answering that question, I would ask by what means could god be detected?

By subtle changes in our chemistry, making us feel loved and wanted?
We could disprove that.
By getting what we want after asking the sky for it?
We could show a cause and effect, but no god.

Its not so much that something hasn't been detected, but that it can not be detected.

So you're not going to answer the question, either. Wow. I never knew until now that it's this easy to stump an atheist.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:23 am

HughMungus wrote:
Rob the Wop wrote:Read book.
Reread thread.
The answers have always been before you grasshopper.
And yet you can't just re-post the answer. How funny. I won't push you on it. Your house of cards might collapse and I don't want to be responsible for that.

I have reposted the answer.
Multiple times.
It doesn't work with you.

Read book.
Reread thread.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:25 am

Rob the Wop wrote:
HughMungus wrote:
Rob the Wop wrote: Where did I say everyone else is stupid?
You think I don't know what "ignorant" means. You must think very highly of yourself and very little of others. No wonder you can't admit that you might be wrong.
Then tell me how "refusing to answer my questions" is tied into "I'm ignorant".

Read book.
Reread thread.
You asked a question, I answered it. Multiple times.

You refuse to answer my questions and/or simply re-post the answer and you say that I'm ignorant and you're not.

You never answered it. If you had you would post the answer again instead of telling me that you already answered it. You can't even tell me which page. And you probably think you're smart.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:26 am

Rob the Wop wrote:
HughMungus wrote:
Rob the Wop wrote:Read book.
Reread thread.
The answers have always been before you grasshopper.
And yet you can't just re-post the answer. How funny. I won't push you on it. Your house of cards might collapse and I don't want to be responsible for that.
I have reposted the answer.
Multiple times.
It doesn't work with you.

Read book.
Reread thread.

Which page is the answer on? Gee, I wonder what your answer will be THIS time.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:28 am

HughMungus wrote:
Which page is the answer on? Gee, I wonder what your answer will be THIS time.

Read book.
Reread thread.
You were told on multiple pages, by multiple people.
Gee, I wonder what answer will be utterly ignored this time.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:29 am

Bandwidth Vampirism

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:31 am

helitack wrote:Bandwidth Vampirism

I think the servers can handle it.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:33 am

Rob the Wop wrote:
HughMungus wrote:
Which page is the answer on? Gee, I wonder what your answer will be THIS time.
Read book.
Reread thread.
You were told on multiple pages, by multiple people.
Gee, I wonder what answer will be utterly ignored this time.

So you have a belief system but you can't explain it to others, YOURSELF. How funny.

bringer · Post by **bringer** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:33 am

So you're not going to answer the question, either. Wow. I never knew until now that it's this easy to stump an atheist.

you didn't answer mine either.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:34 am

bringer wrote:
So you're not going to answer the question, either. Wow. I never knew until now that it's this easy to stump an atheist.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
you didn't answer mine either.

Which one? Repost it and I'll answer it again. Unlike some people, I can actually explain why I believe what I believe.

bringer · Post by **bringer** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:35 am

So you have a belief system but you can't explain it to others, YOURSELF. How funny.

Why do you call atheism a "belief system"?

bringer · Post by **bringer** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:36 am

HughMungus wrote:Which one? Repost it and I'll answer it again. Unlike some people, I can actually explain why I believe what I believe.

bringer wrote:...by what means could god be detected?

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:38 am

OK, let's try this. Has anyone ever seen or had a Hopi missionary come to your house, tell you what you believe is wrong, and sit or stand there for extended periods of time attempting to convince you that you are wrong?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:39 am

bringer wrote:
HughMungus wrote:Which one? Repost it and I'll answer it again. Unlike some people, I can actually explain why I believe what I believe.

bringer wrote:...by what means could god be detected?

I don't know. But that we can't detect god does not mean that he doesn't exist just as our current inability to prove that aliens exist does not mean that aliens do not exist. This wraps back around to my un-answered question: if you can't disprove anything, how can you believe that god does not exist? You can't disprove it and you can't prove it so how do you end-up with "God does not exist"?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:40 am

bringer wrote:
So you have a belief system but you can't explain it to others, YOURSELF. How funny.

Why do you call atheism a "belief system"?

Because that's what it is. Your point?

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:40 am

helitack wrote:OK, let's try this. Has anyone ever seen or had a Hopi missionary come to your house, tell you what you believe is wrong, and sit or stand there for extended periods of time attempting to convince you that you are wrong?

no, but if you hum a few bars, i'll try.

bringer · Post by **bringer** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:41 am

you didn't answer the question.
You said you don't know.
That is not exactly an answer.
I thought you said "I can actually explain why I believe what I believe."

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:42 am

Don't see many Druid missionaries either.

mojo · Post by **mojo** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:43 am

I understand the logic of your argument. Keep in mind though, that if that rock miraculously got up and walked across the water, it would still not prove it's "divinity" under your definition.

There are people that worship all kinds of things, rocks and all. Are they stupid? Less informed than I? I just can't be narcissistic enough to think I have the only answer.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:44 am

bringer wrote:you didn't answer the question.
You said you don't know.
That is not exactly an answer.
I thought you said "I can actually explain why I believe what I believe."

OK, let's go back a bit. What do you think I believe?

bringer · Post by **bringer** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:44 am

Okay, Hugh.
A simpler question... er... set of questions.

What does this god that you wish me to disprove do?
What are his attributes?
What are his powers?
why is he god?

bringer · Post by **bringer** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:47 am

mojo wrote:I understand the logic of your argument. Keep in mind though, that if that rock miraculously got up and walked across the water, it would still not prove it's "divinity" under your definition.

There are people that worship all kinds of things, rocks and all. Are they stupid? Less informed than I? I just can't be narcissistic enough to think I have the only answer.

I never called anyone stupid.
Maybe they are less informed. Worshiping a plane because you don't understand Bernouli's principals is an example.
I don't have the only answer, either. Nor do I claim to, but until proven otherwise, I think its the only answer that makes sense given our current understanding of the universe.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:50 am

Here is a valid question:

How many of us are ripping off our respective employers by having this pointelss argument on company time with company computers?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:51 am

bringer wrote:Okay, Hugh.
A simpler question... er... set of questions.

What does this god that you wish me to disprove do?
What are his attributes?
What are his powers?
why is he god?

I'm not asking you to disprove god. I'm saying, "If you can't disprove anything, how can you say there is no god?" I'm asking how you arrived at "There is no god". Do you have proof that there is no god or do you simply not believe in it because you've never experienced it?

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:51 am

well, "ripping off" seems like an extreme representation of the facts.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:52 am

HughMungus wrote:
bringer wrote:Okay, Hugh.
A simpler question... er... set of questions.

What does this god that you wish me to disprove do?
What are his attributes?
What are his powers?
why is he god?
I'm not asking you to disprove god. I'm saying, "If you can't disprove anything, how can you say there is no god?" I'm asking how you arrived at "There is no god". Do you have proof that there is no god or do you simply not believe in it because you've never experienced it?

With that, I think another whiskey is in order