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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:17 pm

There is no hurry as I said, it was just it would be nice to use as a process trailer if the need arose. all it would need would be 4x8 plywood sheet flooring and some carpet, and a way to tow it.







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Post by can't sit still » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:28 pm

Rabbi, what's a process trailer? My original plan was to strip off the existing floor,,,,build a rectangular framework out of 2 inch box tubing and put ribs every 16 or 18 inches. It would be a big latticework.
I don't really need a floor for hauling long pieces of equipment.

The trailer has electric brakes on all 4 wheels. I just installed a Kelsey Hayes electric brake controller in my PU truck.
My general plan is to go to central Oregon and uproot my sawmill. I want to get some property in western Oregon and build another log house. I have to have a sawmill to flatside the logs.
I would use it to haul logs also.
My plans aren't written in stone. It depends on lots of factors. I was planning on bringing the trailer down here pretty soon. I have a source for good used steel. LMK what your ideas are, Dan
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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:06 pm

A process trailer holds the car while the actors are being filmed, so it appears like they are driving. That way the actors can act and not worry about driving. $100 worth of plywood would do the trick and it would'nt be permanent. It was just a thought anyway, no real need right this minute just thinking.




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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:30 pm

Winter is over in the NYC area

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:59 pm

Where in NYC, uptown or in the Bronx?
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Post by Rolan Headon » Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:27 pm

"Turned on the radio, what did I hear?
Man tellin' me they canceled spring next year..."

sung to the tune of "They Say Cocaine Will Kill Me But They Won't Say When"

(this is in no way a glamorization of a particularly nasty substance, it's just an old blues song)
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:46 pm

In my ongoing efforts to understand the economy, I've had to go back to square one.
Eons ago man produced and sold necessities. Then came shops and banks. They skimmed off a bit but produced nothing.
Along came woman and she wanted things that weren't necessities. Man started making decorative things.
This grew as man made lots of things both necessary and non-necessary.
The banks noticed that the more things that man made, the more money banks made [gained].
The banks prodded both man and woman to make [buy] things that they didn't really neeed.
This made everybody happy and the banks richer and richer.
Soon, the banks were pushing unnecessary consumption for everyone. After a while, this still didn't cause as much consumption as the banks wanted.

The banks figured that if people wouldn't consume things fast enough,,, then "things" needed to be produced,,, paid for and then destroyed.
War was the perfect answer. After all, war had been used very sucessfully to rid the land of excess population. War could also be used to rid the land of excess "things".
Banks would produce "things",,, loan them to GOV to be destroyed, and then the people would be charged for these destroyed "things"

It was the perfect arrangement. Banks would make lots and lots of money. GOV could convince itself that it was doing a very important job.

Capital had always hated labor. If GOV didn't do an effecient job of destroying a big bunch of "things" then the curse of prosperity might appear. Capital couldn't abide prosperity because it would give labor an upper hand. It would also cut back on the cash flow.
Capital needed unlimited labor to produce it's things. If reproduction didn't do the job, then massive immigration would fill the factories.
The scourge of prosperity must be kept at bay or labor would refuse to struggle for pennies.

Destruction and tax was the name of the game for GOV. Money was the name of the game for banks.
Population needed to expand to keep both GOV and capital happy.
Then, capital noticed that because of it's hatred of labor, it had invented labor-saving devices. Capital had diminished the numbers and wages of it's workers to the point that said workers could no longer afford to buy the products of capital.
Work-week hours got longer and spouses had to work to make ends meet.

Problem was, GOV was doing such an effecient job of destroying things that, labor couldn't keep up.
To make matters worse, China showed up with a different business model. They sold "things" at a profit. They didn't just price "things" at whatever price they thought a market would bear. Capital thought that this was really nifty. They jumped into the Chinese market too.
Them, one day, capital woke up and discovered that they owned all them marbles. The problem was that capital was operating with a business model that was being replaced.
Capital had hundreds of trillions of dollars that it had awarded itself but no place to operate.

The market is unforgiving. If you want 20% and market is willing for 5%, you won't get what you want. The West will never be able to hang on to it's old business models.
The crash of the West will be a crash of the operating system. GOV insists on full employment. The operating system was written to include as many extra people as possible. The world market will not allow it.

Capital has no heart or brain. It will flow to where it's being used most effeciently.
The US faces a slow erosion of it's economy. Like Japan, the glory days are behind us.
We both have the same business model. Japan has never exited from the doldrums brought about by their head-to-head competition with a different business model.
If you go to a third world country and examine their labor market,,,, that is the labor market that is coming to the US.
A new operating system will be imposed on us just like global wages are slowly being imposed on us. This fall will be crunch time,

If you examine the actions of GOV from the point of view that their main job is destruction, then their actions make sense. All the governments that have been destabilised and all the pointless wars were and are quite effecient at destruction of things. After a country has been destroyed, the banks have their way with them.

We can afford billion dollar planes but not insurance for kids. Destruction is the byword.
Capital hates labor. 87% of the cost of public housing is for financing.
"If the American public understood the banking industry, there would be a revolution tomorrow" This is a quote from Henry Ford but the same sentiment was echoed by both Reagan and Kennedy.
I hope that the banks crash to the deepest, darkest depths of hell. Better to suffer now than to continue to sell our children and grandchildren into debt-slavery. Better the US crashes to ruin than let the bankers continue to kill uncounted millions to squeeze out a bit more profit.
Better that the US runs out of gas than continue to fill our tanks with the blood of millions slaughtered for their oil. Better that we ride bicycles than starve 2 billion worldwide so we can continue to drive on bio-fuel.

The US specialises in destruction, but europe specialises in endless layers of beaureaucracy. No effort is spared in the relentless avoidance of prosperity.
Our business model is too ineffecient and is going down in flames.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:47 am

That first paragraph has so many misguidedassumptions that I can't take the rest of the post seriously.
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Post by Rolan Headon » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:58 am

street level take:

25 years ago (long before the statute of limitations ran out) A New Yorker and a California man sat atop 20,00 lbs of Colombian square groupers they'd just stacked on deck. The New Yorker offered an economic theory.

"Ya see, B_____, this world is all about getting inbetween people and what they need or want and charging money for that. What people need is very expensive. Need a doctor -- huge bucks. Freedom threatened, need a lawyer --fork over the money. Shelter over your freezing ass-- pay up. Etc down the line. Greedy fucks get inbetween you and what you really need.

Not so bad is what we're doing here, getting in between people and what they want, they want weed, but they don't need it."

Thought about this rationalization many times (and some folks seem to want their weed a great expensive-reality-avoiding-lot) but some truth lies here in simple form.

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Post by thirt33n » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:55 am

OK,...in early february we had 18" of snow in 24 hours...not only is that snow still on the ground but it has snowed 6" in the last two nights. This is the longest winter on record as far as snow on the ground.

North Idaho 2008,....the spring that never came.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:33 pm

thirt33N, sorry to hear about the shitty white stuff. I'm sure that you're probably wondering when global warming is going to kick in.
There seems to be research showing that the warming is just a blip and that cooling is the long term trend;
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html ... 010278&p=1
http://en.rian.ru/science/20080122/97519953.html http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.asp ... 9412587175
If you read the book, "Solar Rain" it shows where we are on the timeline between ice ages. Homo-sapiens has been through a few ice ages and it looks like we're headed for another one. We're in the late Holocene. It's been comfy for an unusually long time.
The historic timeline for ice ages indicates that we're past the midpoint and headed for the icebox.

Rolan, when man was a hunter-gatherer, there was no room for commerce. Once he produced some surplus, then commerce was born. Flint, hides vessels etc. Once man started specialising, he had to depend on others to supply what he couldn't.
The specialists claim that their time is worth far more than your time. Lawyers come to mind.
The Amish have tried to keep it simple so that they don't have to support legions of specialists.
Practicioners of the law write new laws by the thousands to insure that you aren't able to go about your business without tripping up somewhere. It's all about money and control. It's sick but unless you want to be a true hunter-gatherer, it's the only game in town.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:35 pm

can't sit still wrote:thirt33N, sorry to hear about the shitty white stuff. I'm sure that you're probably wondering when global warming is going to kick in.
There seems to be research showing that the warming is just a blip and that cooling is the long term trend;
http://www.financialpost.com/story.html ... 010278&p=1
http://en.rian.ru/science/20080122/97519953.html http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.asp ... 9412587175
If you read the book, "Solar Rain" it shows where we are on the timeline between ice ages. Homo-sapiens has been through a few ice ages and it looks like we're headed for another one. We're in the late Holocene. It's been comfy for an unusually long time.
The historic timeline for ice ages indicates that we're past the midpoint and headed for the icebox.

Rolan, when man was a hunter-gatherer, there was no room for commerce. Once he produced some surplus, then commerce was born. Flint, hides vessels etc. Once man started specialising, he had to depend on others to supply what he couldn't.
The specialists claim that their time is worth far more than your time. Lawyers come to mind.
The Amish have tried to keep it simple so that they don't have to support legions of specialists.
Practicioners of the law write new laws by the thousands to insure that you aren't able to go about your business without tripping up somewhere. It's all about money and control. It's sick but unless you want to be a true hunter-gatherer, it's the only game in town.
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Not sure what's between the long term ice age and the short term global warming--could be a time where it's just impossible for humans to survive. (Although we're a tenacious and inventive bunch, so who knows?) Not sure about that surplus thing either. I know that the estimate of 2-3 hours a day being enough to feed a hunter-gatherer have been proven wrong, but it was an easier life than farming. Pipestone and obsedian were traded long-distance, and the 2nd would have been invaluable for hunting.

Not argueing about the big things, just quibbling about details.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:58 pm

Ms Crypto, If you start with "The Emergence of Man"
It is the standard of anthropology. The books of Auel are great in that they come alive;
There are hundreds of books on early man. I've been reading them for about 20 years. There are also constant discoveries about early man. Just recently they pushed back the earliest dates for man in europe to about a half million years ago. They recently found a new tomb near the tomb of king Tut. It's difficult to keep up with all the new discoveries. They keep pushing back the dates for mans arrival in both europe and the new world. Man is tough and will be around for a while.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:09 pm

can't sit still wrote: Man is tough and will be around for a while.
Yeah, but what about woman?

tough to get by without them. It get cold, need warm other to make life!

Again, it will be hard to breathe in a low oxygen atmosphere

the methane hydrates are melting. Ice that is 150,000 year old is melting on Greenland and Antarctica! These events didn't occur in the warm period before the little ice age. Nor can we find evidence that there are more volcanoes now. We do have evidence that there is less volcanism now then (our west was a hot bed (joke= ha, ha, ha!) of volcanism less then 1,500 years ago) So if volcanism is the cause of all the carbon in the air, as your talk show conservative likes to preach, it should have been hotter then than now! Right? Oh it was hot and many Mesoamerican cultures died out then. The Aztecs and Mayans were falling before the Spaniards discover them. The Anasazi were gone by 1130, but they started near the waning point of volcanism in the west and didn’t die out until over three thousand years later. Much of Greenland was green. Volcanism was happening all along the west coast and interior of states like Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico and Arizona. I can’t think of any place on earth where it is happen on a scale such as that now. So, it must be sun spots and our carbon emissions or it is our carbon emissions and the carbon that is being released from the tundra. Now it’s the methane hydrates that is really accelerating the warming. Like the tundra and the ocean vents found off our coasts. Normally cold artic currents are warming up and melting these deposits of ice.

Hopefully, the only thing I can think of that can help us is a period of less sun spots. A period last several hundred years or more. Can we survive the financial burden? Oil at what cost? Coal at what price? My pocket welcomes global warming. My love for snow doesn’t.

I still think we are at a point of no return because we are not going to see a sizable reduction of carbon emissions especially from third world nation and coal producing countries like ours. Recent data shows that if we can burn it here, we are selling to over there. So where is the trade off? Humans will do the cheap. Like china belief in anti-capitalism, but the truth is they are more incline to do what is necessary to make a greater profit at the expense of mankind! Like cheaper lead ridded paint over more expensive paint on toys: or is that a plot to do to us what lead did to the Romans?

I'd say, hopefully we don't have an asteroid to hit or high volcanism period or both or its goodbye earthlings

End of Rant!

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Post by can't sit still » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:38 pm

Zeus,,,, good rant. NASA has finally admitted to the fact that man has very little to do with global warming. The other planets are warming too. NASA finally came out and announced that the sun is doing it. We talk about methane and CO2. We don't mention water vapor. Reportedly, water vapor is the number 1 greenhouse gas.

I'm sure that you're aware of the Mayan calendar story. It runs for thousands of years and then STOPS on jan 21, 2012. The earth wobbles up and down above then below the galatic plane. On the forementioned date, it will be in alignment with the plane. This is expected to cause some effects on the sun.
Supposedly, the sun is now headed into a very active sunspot cycle. Jennifer Lawson did a lot of research on this connection of weather to sunspots.
I wrote to her and she replied that the weather was going to really kick in violent in 2010. She's a PHD with a lot of research. I don't know.
She did predict major storms with just a 3 day window if I remember correctly. She predicted a year ahead of time.
The new sunspot cycle just started a few weeks ago. The weather has been particularly violent considering that the sun has been so quiet.

Man will be around for a long time. He just might not be so plentiful. Woman will be around too but if civilisation backslides, physical strength will be dominant and woman will take an inferior position again.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:06 pm

Again! AGain! Honey, we've never crawled out of that.
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Post by gyre » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:53 am

What the hell is the galactic plane?

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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:33 pm

It's a UFO MV.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:35 pm

Actually, I'd guess that it's sort of the imaginary plane that you would slice the milky way in half on top from bottom. Or maybe the plane you'd get if you sliced side to side exactly severing the mass in half.
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Post by Badger » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:18 pm

What the hell is the galactic plane?
You pretty much have it right. A galactic plane usually refers to the edge on view of a galaxy. A nice example is this image of the Sombrero galaxy looking almost edge on of its plane.

Here in our neck of the woods the galactic plane of the Milky Way is observed when we look to the night sky on a moonless night and see the the stripe of stars going across the heavens. Envisioned by the early Greeks as the goddess Hera's breast milk splashed across the sky is how the name came about. The !Kung bushmen of Africa have a better description of the same thing though. They simple call the band of stars the 'backbone of night' and believe that the stars are actually the spine that holds the heavens above us and keep them from crashing down on all creation.

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Post by Badger » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:25 pm

Reportedly, water vapor is the number 1 greenhouse gas.
Someone needs to be a bit more critical of what they read. That or repeat junior high science.

Water vapor is not a gas although it is a transition phase from the liquid form to a pure gas phase. Broken down to its constituent elemental compounds (by lightening for instance) water gives rise to two different gases. Hydrogen and oxygen. Neither is a greenhouse gas.
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Post by can't sit still » Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:59 pm

Badger, alweays glad to see you. From one point of view, you're splitting hairs.

"The term greenhouse gas is applied to, in order of relative abundance: water vapour, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone and CFCs. Greenhouse gases are produced by many natural and industrial processes, which currently result in CO2 levels "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas
I guess that we're back to semantics. Is mayonaise a solid or a liquid? I won't belabor the point but atmospheric water holds in heat. I do appreciate you keeping me honest.
BTW, I do have a new development in the not-so-free energy development that might interest you. The difference this time is that you can buy it off-the-shelf.


Here's a report from the banking industry;

"the banks reporting total reserves of $44 billion while at the same time non-borrowed reserves are an astonishing negative $61 billion is weird, and if you think that banks’ ‘free reserves’ are a sudden, staggering negative $75 billion is weird, or if you think that borrowed reserves in the banks are a sudden, terrifying $80 billion is weird,"

Broken down this means that banks have
44 billion in reserves
negative 61 billion in non-borrowed reserves
negative 75 billion in free reserves
80 billion in borrowed reserves

Banks are borrowing 37 billion a day from the FED. It has to be paid back in 30 days.
The whole banking system is expected to meltdown in about september.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:15 pm

Here's news article just premiered today on NPR about Methane:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=14288215

I would agree with you and several others scientist that sun spots have a faster effect on change climate then the emissions of carbon. We know that from ancient history and the little ice age.

Here's some interesting facts I've dug up on the total carbon emissions of volcanoes compared to man. Man is winning!

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch

Excerpt: Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)"

Here is a review of coal fired electrical generating plants:

http://www.eprida.com/hydro/powerplant.htm

excerpt: A PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS OF CO2 EMISSIONS
AND CONVERSION TO FERTILIZER AND HYDROGEN
FOR
COAL FIRED POWER PLANT APPLICATION Example Power Company
GIVEN: 100 million tons of carbon dioxide released annually from a set of 60 fossil fuel power plants.

Now compare volcanic carbon emissions to China vs. USA

The study said China, which relies on coal for two-thirds of its energy needs and makes 44 percent of the world's cement, produced 6.23 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide in 2006. In comparison, the U.S., which gets half its electricity from coal, produced 5.8 billion metric tons of CO2.

So what the Republican Spin doctoks belch out is way off!

Man is kicking Volcanoes ass!

Hopefully the world will end before 2012 and we won’t have to worry about the financial collapse of the world and food lines!

then there is the concern about the CERN Accelerator creating micro black holes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/29/scien ... ref=slogin

Could have the Mayan knowns about that! Come to think about there is a bigger accelerator then the CERN that should be going on line about that time: 2012 or so!?!?

Got to honest with you, I have had certain fears about the CERN before I even heard about micro black holes. But my fears were about the collapse of time or the reverse of time happening from the effects of the CERN. Thought it would be a good science fiction book at least!

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Post by can't sit still » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:17 pm

Zeus, that's good research. The one tiny little thing that's missing is the mention of sulphur dioxide and hydrogen sulphide. Volcanoes are great at burping up sulphur compounds. I'm not sure how they fit into the heat retention scenario. Then, of course, there's the particulate mess.
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So, kick back, have a cool one, and offer up a prayer to Mount Olympus for continuing prosperity.
If that doesn't work, we can all buy water-skiing vacations tearing up and down Styx. :mrgreen:
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Post by mdmf007 » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:29 pm

Anyone have the numbers as to how much gas livestock belch and fart up worldwide? staggering.

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Post by oFZo » Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:54 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:I have a simple way of judging the local economy: I look at how many tower cranes are up in the sky... lots of them means lots of building and usually general good times.
As an emplyee of the world's biggest heavy lifting company I do the same :lol: .
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:14 am

oFZo, I saw an add in the Recycler that read; Ford 1 ton flatbed V8, 4 speed. comes with 10,000 lb wench
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:24 pm

IS IT SUMMER YET?

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Post by Rolan Headon » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:30 pm

can't sit still,
Respecting as i do scientists (while thinking science too often lacks the poetry, appreciation and awareness of all the unmeasurables and resonances of spirit, etc), are you thinking the majority body of global weather scientists are incorrect in attributing a large portion of the atmosperic changes to people? Many bright and learned minds you are dismissing. I mean they might be wrong but perhaps they're not...please don't think I'm accusing you of being Michael Crichton, paid lackey of the oil industry
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:35 pm

Rolan, we're definitely in agreement on the dearth of poetry in science.
As far as scientists go, there are many of them on both sides of the fence http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 37,00.html
You can bet that half of them are right; "For instance, during the last 2.6 million years, the duration of the current Ice Age, there have been 104 major fluctuations between global cold and global warmth"
This page has an excellent overview; http://www2.le.ac.uk/ebulletin/features ... kt-hgf-t4c
Man may very well be having an effect on temperature. This last very cold winter shows that nature [mostly the sun] will have the final say.
One also has to include other extraneous energies in the equation. The chemtrails are acknowledged to be affecting the weather. HAARP is being used to heat the ionosphere. There has been evidence recently that we're messing with the sun also.
The PTB seem to have a plan to burn every bit of fossil fuel, no matter what the common man may want.

The larger problem is that everyone wants to be competitive. The US outsourced manufacturing years ago because it was dirty. The global economy is collapsing. The US tried to make a go of it just doing AG and financing. That is dead. There is general agreement that the US is going to have to take up manufacturing once again.

China has low wages and lots of pollution. 80% of the wood that they use is illegally logged. They bring 5 new coal plants online every week.
What are we going to do to compete in the world market with China and the Asian Tigers?
How are we going to keep prices competitive, yet still preserve breathable air? Can we use tar sands and still compete with coal?
How are we going to repay 38 trillion in debt, start up manufacturing, preserve the enviornment and offer some kind of retirement for seniors?
The comptroller-general, david walker said that it would take $56 trillion to pay for our unfunded liabilities towards seniors.

It's estimated that we need 1 trillion for our failing infrastructure. I have a bad feeling that the enviornment is going to take a good thrashing and that global warming is going to be left in the dust. Our fascist GOV is run by banks and corporations. They plan about 2 quarters ahead. Global warming will be ignored unless it can be milked for money. Then it will be milked for money,,, not results. :cry:
I don't post things because I believe that they are the absolute truth. I post them because I believe that they should be considered.

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