No more dogs or cats in california

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:58 am

Just in case you missed it, PETA is trying to get rid of all dogs and cats in Ca. http://www.akc.org/canine_legislation/C ... center.cfm
You have to wonder about the mentality of a group that would prefer extinction of a species rather than subject a small % of them to abuse. Dogs and cats were just the start. They were lining up on birds and planning on horses.
There weren't any practical exemptions. Their oposition came from several areas including the DEA and Homeland Security. They said that they would lose decades of breeding lines of smart drug sniffing dogs.
Levine, who authored the bill has a PETA member for a SO. He's the worst kind of grandstanding politician. He pushed through some kind of legislation requiring zoos to walk their elephants 5 miles a day. The LA zoo got rid of their elephants [this is unsubstantiated hearsay,,to me]
The avowed plan is to have the pets die out in 10 years and not be replaced. Like the shithead gun control people, they attack the law abiding people because they can't affect the real problem.
Just think, a new cadre of "Pet Police" to punish humans who oppose the extinction of animals. PETAs new slogan could be "Extinction is Salvation"
Dan

Post by **AntiM** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:36 pm

Peta kills homeless animals. I mean, WTF?! I have zero respect for them anymore. Hypocrites who suck in the soft-hearted.

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:07 pm

I'm assuming you saw this Penn and Teller episode of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY
Bullshit?

Post by **AntiM** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:13 pm

bingo. Guess who lent it to me?

Dork · Post by **Dork** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:33 pm

The law wouldn't outlaw pets and wouldn't cause them to become extinct. There would still be PLENTY of unwanted animals being born, and millions available in other states. It's also not about the small % of them who get abused - it's about the large percentage who get killed in shelters because nobody wants them, or die on the streets because they're abandoned. Valuable breeding lines would do just fine - the breeders would simply need to get permits. If you look at the bill, the regulations are pretty lax about who can get a permit.

I'm not saying I would support the bill, but if you're going to come out against it at least try to be rational. There are plenty of ways to bash PETA using actual facts.

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:39 pm

Asking someone to be rational when dealing with PETA is asking for defeat and to have their agenda rammed down your throat.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:41 pm

Looks like that legislation got beaten down. I'm no fan of PETA and I don't believe in legislation being the answer to all problems.

The problem this was approaching, however I know very keenly. Shelters and Humane Societies across the US, one of which I volunteer at, kill collectively 1000s of animals a year, via vet performed euthanization, because there simply is no room for, and money to feed, them all. These are volunteer run groups who are funded by donations and personal money from their members. Budgets are pretty small and when there is no money, there is no money.

So I propose a better approach...

Fund a spay/neuter at your local shelter or Humane Society. I can help you find a humane society group in your area (or mine!!!) so that you may do that, if you wish. Just send me a PM.

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:56 pm

Is it wrong of me to suggest that if the bill were worded to specifically target adults of breeding age that I'd be totally in favor of it?

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:07 pm

Isotopia wrote:Is it wrong of me to suggest that if the bill were worded to specifically target adults of breeding age that I'd be totally in favor of it?

nope, i'd agree with that requirement.

MozyBonz · Post by **MozyBonz** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:19 pm

All of our animal family members have been rescues. Not PETA style
Just no one wanted them... a dog left in a box at friends house. A Great Dane that got to big for the family.
Cat that has diabetes and needs shots 2 times a day. Birdâ€™s people
Couldnâ€™t stand hearing any more. A dragon that started biting kids.

The latest a six-week-old cat found in a parking lot far from any home infested with flees.

Now all have chips, tags, fixed or will be fixed also regular trips to the veterinary.

Fuck PETA my dogs and I love meat.

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Isotopia wrote:
Is it wrong of me to suggest that if the bill were worded to specifically target adults of breeding age that I'd be totally in favor of it?

nope, i'd agree with that requirement.

I think China does that now. "Chinese birth control and One Child policy"

Media mogul Ted Turner has suggested the rest of the world
Adopt similar policies.

Dork · Post by **Dork** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:21 pm

Archantael wrote:Asking someone to be rational when dealing with PETA is asking for defeat and to have their agenda rammed down your throat.

True, but I still get riled up when I see people try to fight bullshit with even thicker bullshit. Unfortunately, it's a growing trend in our society. There is less and less room for rational argument on anything these days.

Post by **AntiM** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:52 pm

The mandatory spay and neuter would be a good idea if it could be enforced. Heck, I've been fixed.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:23 pm

Isotopia wrote:Is it wrong of me to suggest that if the bill were worded to specifically target adults of breeding age that I'd be totally in favor of it?

Reminds me of a song that I can never remember the name of, or the band that sings it, and yet it stays there in my head... Green Day maybe?

"I've been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding..."

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:24 pm

MozyBonz wrote:All of our animal family members have been rescues. Not PETA style
Just no one wanted them... a dog left in a box at friends house. A Great Dane that got to big for the family.
Cat that has diabetes and needs shots 2 times a day. Birdâ€™s people
Couldnâ€™t stand hearing any more. A dragon that started biting kids.

The latest a six-week-old cat found in a parking lot far from any home infested with flees...

Thanks, Mozy.

capjbadger · Post by **capjbadger** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:44 pm

LeChatNoir wrote:
Isotopia wrote:Is it wrong of me to suggest that if the bill were worded to specifically target adults of breeding age that I'd be totally in favor of it?
Reminds me of a song that I can never remember the name of, or the band that sings it, and yet it stays there in my head... Green Day maybe?

"I've been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding..."

Flagpole Sitter by Harvey Danger

I had visions, I was in them
I was looking into the mirror
To see a little bit clearer
Rottenness and evil in me

Fingertips have memories
Mine can't forget the curves of your body
And when I feel a bit naughty
I run it up the flagpole and see who salutes
(but no one ever does)

I'm not sick but I'm not well
And I'm so hot cause I'm in hell

Been around the world and found
That only stupid people are breeding
The cretins cloning and feeding
And I don't even own a tv

Put me in the hospital for nerves
And then they had to commit me
You told them all I was crazy
They cut off my legs now i'm an amputee, God damn you

I'm not sick but I'm not well
And I'm so hot cause I'm in hell
I'm not sick but I'm not well
And it's a sin to live so well

I wanna publish zines
And rage against machines
I wanna pierce my tongue
It doesn't hurt, it feels fine
The trivial sublime
I'd like to turn off time
And kill my mind
You kill my mind

Paranoia! Paranoia!
Everybody's coming to get me
Just say you never met me
I'm going underground with the moles
Hear the voices in my head
I swear to God it sounds like they're snoring
But if you're bored then you're boring
The agony and the irony, they' re killing me

I'm not sick but I'm not well
And I'm so hot cause I'm in hell
I'm not sick but I'm not well
And it's a sin to live so well

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:24 pm

The question at the bottom of everything is ethics. Unwanted animals are left to the "street" If they're picked up, they're often euthanised.
Unwanted humans are left to the street. This includes children,,, read about Brazil. There are do-it-yourself euthanasia clinics in Britian.

The age-old question; why come into the world if you're just going to die? Is there a difference between dying young or dying old? Is it purely hedonistic? Euthanasia for animals is sad but why should it be considered cruel? Starvation and dementia are cruel. Endless pain is cruel. Why should euthanasia be considered cruel? I watched my mother survive on a morphine pump. If she were euthanised at the start, would that have been cruel?,,, struck by lightning?
Kevorkian tried to bring these questions to the table.Nobody wanted to address them.
Do you support life for an organism as long as it's productive?,, viable?,,, living? I shot my neighbor's cat through the head. It had just been run over by a car and was crushed from the lungs back.
It's hard to choose criteria. Should you euthanise an organism if it has no possibility of a healthy future? If you apply these criteria to other organisms,,,, should you apply them to man?
Do you apply "healthy" to man and "useful" to animals? Old organisms are generally cast aside. Many people, after touring a geriatric home, are horrified at that prospect for their own personal future.
IS EUTHANASIA BETTER THAN DRAGGING OUT EVERY LAST PAINFUL MOMENT OF LIFE ? It's not an easy answer for Fido or Larry H.
It appears that PETA wants to reconstruct the original food chain. The mice will get eaten by an owl instead of dying in the lab. How very benevolent.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:06 pm

can't sit still wrote:Euthanasia for animals is sad but why should it be considered cruel?

What I was talking about has nothing to do with old animals. These are young kittens and puppies. It's cruel because it is so unecessary... and due to fact that so many people do nothing and think its not their problem.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:57 am

Unregistered and unspayed cats and dogs are coming into California over the Mexican border.

MozyBonz · Post by **MozyBonz** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:05 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:Unregistered and unspayed cats and dogs are coming into California over the Mexican border.

Oh Come on ugly cats are swimming across the Rio Grand River?

I can see the dogs but the cats?

they must really need work...

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:58 am

AntiM wrote:Heck, I've been fixed.

ITYM: I've got a sports model, now

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:26 pm

This came in mail from a friend. I couldn't get the graphs to copy.

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Glittering Clitoris · Post by **Glittering Clitoris** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:46 pm

I say we call them "Land Fish"

then eat them

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:06 pm

Ms Glittering Clitoris, nice of you to drop by. That was an impressive video that you posted. You are the master of mastering the "gag reflex"
Yes, we could call them 'Land Fish" It's been done before.
Nutritionists tried to import linseed oil for human consumption. They were refused entry of their product. So, they just called it "flaxseed oil" and it was allowed.
I don't have a personal stake in the mandatory spay law. I was just passing on the info for a friend that I have known since she was 12.

My friend Kathy just sent this reply after she read the thread here;

Wow, That was interesting! I went on and read everything. You should tell the people to go to ExposeAnimalRights.com then they can read the real truth about the difference between Animal Rights vs Animal Welfare. It is hard to tell the difference between the two since Wayne Pacelle (HSUS) is a professional liar. HSUS is actually worse than PETA, they are more believable than Peta, but have the same agenda, just more subtle with more money and power. We call them PETA in Suits
Kathy

Oldguy · Post by **Oldguy** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:06 pm

FWIW, My dog license for a spayed female is $15.00 for three years. When I turn 60, it goes down to $10.00 for three years. I don't think she'll live to be 14 so $25 to keep her for six more years is quite resonable for my counties animal control. I got my puppy at the pound and had her spayed when she was old enough. The $40.00 adoption fee was refundable with spaying. So I'm out the cost of kibble and shots to keep a companion animal who wakes me in the morning, lets me know when the mailman passes by, and is a great burglar/stranger alarm. The real problem in this country is irresponsible pet owners. Adopt a pound puppy.

BTW, I hear Vick is going to the Eagles.

Glittering Clitoris · Post by **Glittering Clitoris** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:10 pm

What "Gag reflex"?

was cuming out of her nose!

Glit Clit

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:53 am

Did everyone catch the peta protest about the fly death during the Obama interview?

They sent him a no-kill fly trap.

Those guys are pure performance theater.
I hear three stooges theme music whenever they show up.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:38 am

gyre wrote:Did everyone catch the peta protest about the fly death during the Obama interview?

They sent him a no-kill fly trap.

I am a member and we are going to preserve and protect the Anopheles Mosquito with suppling little babies so they can feed and multiple the earth!

We are presently seeking hosts.

Will you donate your offspring?

Have a dead parent lying around?
We have a fly breeding program as well.

Our flies are hungry!

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:22 am

Please think of the rats.

The noble rat (Rattus norvegicus) is today facing unprecedented threats to its habitat. Professional "exterminators" think of nothing better than to kill these poor misunderstood mammals. I blame PETA and all those damn hippies.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:40 pm

dougly, I have to disagree. Like man, the Norway rat can make any habitat his home. At one time rats ate 10 % of the food supply in India so, I don't think that they will be wiped out any time soon. Cuba has invented a rat poison that gives rat-salmonella to,,, rats. If any other animal eats it, it doesn't affect them.
Bush said that it's useless here,,, we don't have a rat problem in the U.S.

Ms Clitorus, yes indeed, it was cumming out your nose. No gag and no sneeze either. Remarkable. All us boys are envious of your partner.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:21 pm

can't sit still wrote:dougly, I have to disagree. Like man, the Norway rat can make any habitat his home. At one time rats ate 10 % of the food supply in India so, I don't think that they will be wiped out any time soon. Cuba has invented a rat poison that gives rat-salmonella to,,, rats. If any other animal eats it, it doesn't affect them.
Bush said that it's useless here,,, we don't have a rat problem in the U.S.

what do you exspect from the king rat himself.

unloaded a house after a fire. there were norway rafter rats in the dresses and end tables. chased rats for 6 months in the shop. this was a mayors house.