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Post by Don Muerto » Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:30 pm

Race you to Pluto?

:shock: :lol:
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Post by TestesInSac » Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:34 pm

Don Muerto wrote:Race you to Pluto?

:shock: :lol:
I'm so fast, I got there last night.
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Post by Don Muerto » Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:38 pm

You know, this is pretty bad thread drift...

...YOU POINTY-HEADED BUREACRATIC, ACTION-STAR VOTING RACIST!

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Post by TestesInSac » Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:41 pm

Who you callin' pointy-headed, you NECROTIC LOOKIN' PINATA?
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Post by Don Muerto » Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:45 pm

I just howled and spit all over my monitor

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Post by TestesInSac » Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:10 pm

De nada. Anything to stay on topic and not incur Technopatra's wrath.
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Post by Don Muerto » Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:21 pm

Staying on topic is of vital importance, -agreed. I hear she can give a mean spanking to the recalcitrant.
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Post by TestesInSac » Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:24 pm

Don Muerto wrote: I hear [Technopatra] can give a mean spanking to the recalcitrant.
Wonder if she freelances?
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Post by Don Muerto » Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:29 pm

I've heard rumors that she accepts bribes.
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Post by alice » Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:02 pm

perhaps refraining from drinking beverages while reading e-playa would reduce the dreaded monitor spray.
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Post by TestesInSac » Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:10 pm

Don Muerto wrote:I've heard rumors that she accepts bribes.
<eyes narrowed> I seem to recall your name being at the top of her crush list, and now this. Verrry suspicious.
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Post by Don Muerto » Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:13 pm

Jealous much?
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Post by Bob » Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:20 pm

Recall effort against Nevada gov fails
Monday, November 24, 2003
(11-24) 16:37 PST CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) --

An antitax group trying to recall Nevada Gov. Kenny Guinn gave up Monday, with a leader saying not enough signatures were gathered to qualify the recall question for ballot position. Chris Hansen of The Committee to Recall Gov. Guinn said more than 51,000 signatures were gathered -- possibly enough for an initiative petition or a referendum, but far short of the 128,109 needed to force a recall vote next year.

The recent recall of former California Gov. Gray Davis "really crucified us," said Hansen. "That was such a circus, such a show, with a stripper, a porn star, Gary Coleman as candidates." "People thought it would probably be the same here, while in truth it would have been an election to keep or not keep Guinn as governor," Hansen added.

Hansen also said a controversy over locations of signature-gatherers in and around state buildings prompted a would-be contributor to back out of the recall effort -- and other possible supporters feared political retribution from the Guinn camp. Also, the recall effort relied on volunteers to gather signatures, rather than hiring people to collect names.

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Post by Badger » Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:28 pm

Not even sure if the good guv is a Repub or a Dem but the news is heartening I think.
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Post by Bob » Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:29 pm

LA City Council rescinds ban on lap dances at strip clubs
Friday, November 21, 2003
(11-21) 19:30 PST LOS ANGELES (AP) --

City leaders on Friday rescinded a ban on lap dances at strip clubs, approving a watered-down version of the law in an effort to avoid a referendum on the law. The adult entertainment industry had sought to put the issue directly to voters after the City Council approved the ordinance in September, but it backed down in exchange for the compromise.

The new law removes the 6-foot rule, which forbids lap dances and all physical contact between dancers and customers, including direct tipping. But it creates an annual permitting process for strip clubs, and it requires the businesses to hire state-licensed security guards. The ordinance also bans partitioned-off VIP rooms, which some critics said contained beds.

Supporters of the original ordinance have argued that it was necessary because the adult clubs contribute to prostitution and drug use. "Unfortunately or fortunately, politics is often times compromise," Councilman Dennis Zine said. "While this may not be exactly what I want, it's a whole lot better than what we have now." Councilman Tony Cardenas was the only board member present who voted against repealing the law. He urged the council to allow the issue to go directly to voters.

Some community activists who attended the meeting criticized the council's decision. "Rather than standing up (and) having the backbone to say, 'you asked for it to go on the ballot, let's put it on the ballot,' you caved in to the power and money of the adult entertainment industry," said Vicki Cosas of Westchester.

The adult entertainment industry spent $400,000 to collect enough signatures to put the ordinance on the March ballot. It would have cost the city more than $3 million to put the issue to voters.

Some council members said they were worried that if the referendum passed, they also would lose the ability to enforce other strip-club regulations. "If we go to the ballot and lose, we are not going to be able to regulate," said Councilman Ed Reyes earlier this week. Councilwoman Cindy Miscikowski, who led the effort to ban lap dancing, said the compromise plan will keep other rules in place to regulate the roughly 40 adult clubs in the city.

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Post by Badger » Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:34 pm

Damn Bob, you're just full of good news tonight.
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Post by Bob » Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:34 pm

Vegas politicians plead innocent in federal corruption case
Friday, November 21, 2003
(11-21) 13:03 PST LAS VEGAS (AP) --

Three current and former elected officials pleaded innocent Friday to federal charges they traded votes for gifts and cash from a Las Vegas strip club owner.

Clark County Commissioner Mary Kincaid-Chauncey and former commissioners Dario Herrera and Lance Malone appeared briefly before U. S. Magistrate Judge Peggy Leen in their first court appearance since a federal grand jury indicted them Nov. 6 on charges including conspiracy and wire fraud. Kincaid-Chauncey, 65, and Herrera, 30, also were charged with extortion, and Malone, 41, faces a racketeering charge.

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Post by diane o'thirst » Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:44 pm



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Post by Don Muerto » Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:49 pm

"What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas."

Or wait...was it "What happens on the Playa stays on the Playa"?
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Post by Bob » Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:52 pm

Candidates spew venom in debate --
Newsom, Gonzalez kiss fairness goodbye

Monday, November 24, 2003

In a rancorous debate that produced far more heat than light, Matt Gonzalez and Gavin Newsom slugged it out toe-to-toe Sunday, each trying for the knockout blow that could make him mayor in the Dec. 9 runoff vote.

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Neither candidate shied away from personal attacks. Newsom "voted against a (Board of Supervisors) measure opposing the war in Iraq,'' Gonzalez said, and ducked out of a board meeting rather than vote on one opposing the Patriot Act. Newsom also has "the worst attendance record on the board,'' Gonzalez said, and has missed more than 1,000 votes.

An angry Newsom accused Gonzalez of "demagoguery'' and twisting the facts on the two votes, but saved most of his scorn for the attendance question. "My first five years on the board my attendance was second to none, and I mean none,'' Newsom said. But he admitted missing meetings "at a time when my mother was suffering and dying from breast cancer. They would use that to attack me politically.''

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Moderator Belva Davis tried with little success to keep the debate on track and the crowd under control as a panel of reporters from the city's ethnic press questioned the candidates. By the end of the afternoon, she almost threw up her hands in frustration when she realized there was time for only one question from the crowd.

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Post by aforceforgood » Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:27 pm

Bob wrote:Some council members said they were worried that if the referendum passed, they also would lose the ability to enforce other strip-club regulations. "If we go to the ballot and lose, we are not going to be able to regulate," said Councilman Ed Reyes ...
This is maybe the most important and telling sentence in the whole story.

"You'll pry my authority to stick my nose into other people's lives and take money from them using the excuse that it's for the greater good from my cold dead hands." -Honest politician (obviously this was never uttered by a politician, which makes it no less true.)

Okay.

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Post by Kinetic II » Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:28 pm

K's rule: What happens in Nevada, stays in Nevada. Same thing, just more ground covered.

If anyone in my immediate group breaks their silence, blackmail and worse can be employed to change their attitudes towards the subject.

So far that has not been necessary though. It's also interesting that digital camera batteries go dead on the playa, and disposable cameras get lost, only to resurface once I'm crossing the California or Utah state lines. I can't explain it, but that's how it is. (Grin)

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Post by technopatra » Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:40 pm

TestesInSac wrote:
The CA 2003-2004 budget calls for spending of $53 Billion on k-12 ed for 6.2 million students. That's $8500 per student.
Thanks for the stats. If the avg school year is, say, 280 days, then that's a little over $30 per student per day. That's significantly less than most day care costs, so my friends with kids tell me.

If history is any standard by which to make assumptions, then that money isn't going to be distributed by need. Isn't school money based largely on proerty taxes? So areas that rake in more property tax - wealthy neighborhoods - get more education funding than those in poorer neighborhoods, even though they generally care for more students.
TestesInSac wrote:I figure if a teacher's salary was dependent on class size, larger is better. Isn't that how the larger universities do it?
I would be horrifed if teachers were paid by class size. K-12 students need much more personal attention than university students, both in terms of learning social behavior (ever try to keep the attention of a group of forty 9 yr olds? oy.) and in receiving adequate instruction. That's why Gov Davis reduced class sizes a few years ago for 2-4th graders down to 20 or 25 students per class. Which is still too many, imo, but a marked improvement.

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Post by technopatra » Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:43 pm

TestesInSac wrote:
Don Muerto wrote: I hear [Technopatra] can give a mean spanking to the recalcitrant.
Wonder if she freelances?
My rates increase for state employees.

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Post by blyslv » Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:50 pm

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>>I am a synesthete, and yes I sense things in colors.

Yo K,

Is that true? I'm reading "The Man Who Tasted Shapes." Wow. Imagine being disappointed because your chicken wasn't pointy enough. How does it manifest? I've senses mixed up before, bu that was due to some pretty powerful molucules.
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Post by DE FACTO » Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:55 pm

technopatra wrote:
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The CA 2003-2004 budget calls for spending of $53 Billion on k-12 ed for 6.2 million students. That's $8500 per student.
Thanks for the stats. If the avg school year is, say, 280 days, then that's a little over $30 per student per day. That's significantly less than most day care costs, so my friends with kids tell me.

If history is any standard by which to make assumptions, then that money isn't going to be distributed by need. Isn't school money based largely on proerty taxes? So areas that rake in more property tax - wealthy neighborhoods - get more education funding than those in poorer neighborhoods, even though they generally care for more students.
TestesInSac wrote:I figure if a teacher's salary was dependent on class size, larger is better. Isn't that how the larger universities do it?

This is exactly why there is such a problem in the U.S. with crime (amoungst other reasons.) and why in certain places such as Japan and singapore dont or have less.

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Post by TestesInSac » Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:59 pm

technopatra wrote:Thanks for the stats. If the avg school year is, say, 280 days, then that's a little over $30 per student per day.
More like (21 days/month)*(9.5 months) = 199.5 days, $42/day. I think you can find child care for less, maybe even safe and licensed.
technopatra wrote:If history is any standard by which to make assumptions, then that money isn't going to be distributed by need.
You think Enron's accounting was weird? I've yet to see a transparent and credible breakdown of how money is spent and where. But then, I doubt that the admin overhead types are too keen on highlighting just how much they cost.

Anyhoo, what needs to get distributed better is the understanding that every individual <u>needs</u> to make sure that they get an education. If somehow you're convinced early on that your life will be shit without education, you'll secure it for yourself one way or the other. (Us high school dropouts know these things.)

As far as class size goes, it's not the number of students <i>per se</i>, it's the disruptive ones. I say, don't force teachers to even bother with the LCD; kick 'em outta school, and let 'em learn what life's like without an education. If they stay out of prison, they can catch up later.
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Post by TestesInSac » Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:04 pm

technopatra wrote:
TestesInSac wrote:
Don Muerto wrote: I hear [Technopatra] can give a mean spanking to the recalcitrant.
Wonder if she freelances?
My rates increase for state employees.

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Post by III » Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:32 pm

>As far as class size goes, it's not the number of students per se, it's the disruptive ones. I say, don't force teachers to even bother with the LCD; kick 'em outta school, and let 'em learn what life's like without an education. If they stay out of prison, they can catch up later.

can i get an amen? i'd rather choose 10% of my class to get rid of, than to have it just randomly get cut in half. (i've taught classes with less that 20 kids that were unmanageable, and classes with close to 40 that did just fine).
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Post by DE FACTO » Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:04 pm

III wrote: (i've taught classes with less that 20 kids that were unmanageable, and classes with close to 40 that did just fine).
Was that done only in california? And please dont answer with "it does'nt matter where on the planet you teach".

I'm not trying to be facetious or obnoxious. In N.Y. they discovered that class size does matter. There are schools there now that are doing something about it with excellent results.
So much so that it seems that it could be used as a model for the rest of the states.

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