film

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:23 pm

Just watched Michael moore's film Sicko

very interesting..

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:42 pm

Big pharm promised they'd do a whole counterspin to this movie...
last June.

Has anyone seen anything?
I'd like to see Moore call them on that bluff.

http://www.nysun.com/article/56901

BitterDan · Post by **BitterDan** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:49 pm

I saw it and, yes, it was interesting. However, Moore glorifies the canadian health care system but a friend of ours died because he could not get the treatments he needed from the canadian system. Basically, they are allowed to a certain number of "major" procedures per year and if you didn't make it then good luck to you.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for universal health care. But you have to take Mike Moore with a grain of salt and a lot of skepticism.

BD

Post by **mdmf007** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:51 pm

I always wondered.

If socialized health care is so great in Canada, France, the Netherlands et.al. How come citizens of means in these countries come to the United States for treatment? Is it because we have the highest rates of surviveability for people with or without insurance. hmmmmmmmmmmm

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:06 pm

Itâ€™s likely that because we sacrifice the health of the poor so the rich can buy unnecessary treatments with really long shot odds that coast a bundle. A system set up with all of society heath in mind may not see your last chance effort worth it.

When will people face it yes we all die and there never is enough time to do it all. get over it

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:14 pm

Funny, I've heard that one big problem in Canadian Health Care is all the yankees sneaking over the border to get treatment.
I've also heard that the satisfaction rate with Britain's National Health is 25%. In the states? 17.

So maybe no one has it right.

Although, I think very well of TILAK, the Austrian hospital I was at.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:05 pm

Can't stomach seeing the movie considering what I am currently going through. Have medical but have no way to force doctors to treat/heal my injury. Seems as though its cheaper to dump someone on long-term disability than to do a surgery.

Post by **mdmf007** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:02 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Funny, I've heard that one big problem in Canadian Health Care is all the yankees sneaking over the border to get treatment.
I've also heard that the satisfaction rate with Britain's National Health is 25%. In the states? 17.

So maybe no one has it right.

Although, I think very well of TILAK, the Austrian hospital I was at.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Health/200 ... care/1579/

UPI states 57% are satisfied with the cost of their insurance coverage,

Eighty-three percent of Americans rate the quality of healthcare they receive as excellent or good, while 15 percent rate the quality as poor. Seventy percent say their healthcare coverage is excellent or good.

of course I can find a study saying you can tie an elephant down with a shoelace.

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:12 pm

It's easy to tie down an elephant with shoelaces
as long as the elephant wants to be tied down
with shoelaces.

BitterDan · Post by **BitterDan** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:25 pm

mdmf007 wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Funny, I've heard that one big problem in Canadian Health Care is all the yankees sneaking over the border to get treatment.
I've also heard that the satisfaction rate with Britain's National Health is 25%. In the states? 17.

So maybe no one has it right.

Although, I think very well of TILAK, the Austrian hospital I was at.
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Health/200 ... care/1579/

UPI states 57% are satisfied with the cost of their insurance coverage,

Eighty-three percent of Americans rate the quality of healthcare they receive as excellent or good, while 15 percent rate the quality as poor. Seventy percent say their healthcare coverage is excellent or good.

of course I can find a study saying you can tie an elephant down with a shoelace.

I don't think there is any doubt that the US has very good health care. The problem is that a large number of Americans cannot afford it at it's current, highly inflated rates. Additionally, the cost of health insurance for a 50+ non-smoker with no health issues is about $700 a month. That is a big chunk out of someone's take-home pay if they are barely scraping by as it is (such as many small business owners are). Then there are the people who are considered "ineligible" for insurance because they have a disease, or they smoke, etc.

These doctors, hospitals and insurance companies are cleaning up at the cost of American lives. How did we become a nation that puts the almighty dollar above human life? When was the tipping point where the government became a product of the corporations?

You know, when I was growing up I wanted to be a doctor. I wanted to be a doctor because I wanted to help people who really needed my help. I always assumed that people became doctors for this very reason. How did being a doctor in America go from being the helpers of society to the guys who drive the most expensive cars? Is it just me?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:03 pm

I think plenty of other professions drive more expensive cars than doctors. I also have my doubts taht doctors are the main driver behind the rise in health care costs. Tech is a big one, and the huge loss in efficiency/money as it goes through the insurance billing company. I actually get the impression that most doctors get out of med school with so much debt that they don't have a lot of choice in the whole pricing thing.