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Post by unjonharley » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:42 pm

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 CHEAP TOMATOES?
 
This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent.
 
"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
 
I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning  that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels.
 
Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens, Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.
 
Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
 
I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
 
I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America.
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)
 
I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas" whores and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.
 
Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc, etc.
 
Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
 
To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.
 
Higher insurance, medical facilities closing , higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.
 
We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?
 
It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education , that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "political correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.
 
If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.
 
CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
 
Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.
 
Consumers don't want expensive produce.
 
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.
 
But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."
 
Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an " earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.
 
He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
 
He qualifies for food stamps.
 
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
 
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
 
He requires bilingual teachers and books.
 
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
 
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled , they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare . All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.
 
He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.
 
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.
 
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.
 
Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.
 
The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.
 
Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!
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(Hey, guess what? I've been an American citizen and worked my entire life. My employer does not provide health insurance and I don't qualify for any help from the government because I "make too much money." $8.15 per hour. I'm not angry about this, I've pretty much accepted that it's just the way it is here in the land of the free, but if enough of us vote correctly maybe our kids won't have to suffer the same abuse.

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Post by mdmf007 » Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:20 pm

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

We have a legal system for immigration to ou country. I would love to see our borders be just that - a border, and not a sieve that allows drugs and criminals through. It also allows people who want a better life to come though without much risk of being caught.

What sucks is the familys that cross in the desert to die of exposure.

Anyways - I dont have the perfect answer as you have to balance humanity with our basic needs as a nation for security, but its a start.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:33 pm

It's spelled "tomatos" you liberal halfwit.

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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:57 am

You forgot to mention how they have virally corrupted our internal systems and businesses with scams and pilferation and wanton destruction for pay in our neighborhoods and cities. I don't know how a business can even make it any more. Every restaurant I go to I see "tapping of the till" as standard practice everywhere, no business is spared, so far as I have seen anywhere. We are being inundated with scams at an alarming rate, the underground Hispanic Black-market is amazing, they will pay for anything you got and can sell you anything you need. Fueled with funds from Identity Theft funds and card access they can purchase and stock anything people and the Latin companies will come to them for. Latin Business using the black-market can operate their business at such a low cost that local vendors can't compete, and they can last through dry spells much easier in situations that literally close their American counterparts. And as we all know, that bullshit myth about them taking only the lowly paying jobs that no one wants is just that. They are in every mantle and job level imaginable in every business, big and small, and once in and they take over the Managers position no other nationally other than Latin is hired.

1. The new car scam. Jose goes to Hector who works at the local car dealership. He puts Hector into a car that there is no way he can afford, instead of the $4,000 it would take you or I to get into the lease he only puts up $500 in cash that goes into Hector and the Mgrs pockets His app is run under an name that has primo credit, so no down is needed (and add any incentives that the manf., or the lot is offering). He does not pay a note and just drives the car for 5 mos, after that the Credit issuing company (GMAC or one of the other majors) sends notice to Hector that no payments have been made, and Hector call Jose to take the car to one of his friends chop shop where the only the most requested parts are removed and the car is set out on the street to be found. Insurance pays the lot for the car, and everybody walks away happy.

2. Valet scams are nothing new, and there are a lot. When you give your car to the valet he drives up on another floor where he goes through and searches for valuables. He parks it next to a truck that has several 50 gal drums that he taps the tank of the car for 3-5 gals of gas. Another one of the new ones is the passenger side airbag which in most cases will never even be missed (until it's needed) that’s a quick $250 that only takes a few minutes to do. The price we pay and the price that a Hispanic that drives up to the same lot or Valet is also not the same, they immediately get the family discount of up to 75%. Not mention copies of your keys are made and your insurance and car registration are also copied for the address.


3. Restaurant Hotel Scams, are scary to me cause you are involved on a personal level. Some high-end places get hit with the replacement meat scam. Once the Kitchen staff goes Hispanic (all key staff has been replaced), I understand that Mgmt buys A class meat, that later in the day after delivery the box of meat that may have been purchased for $250 is replaced with a box of B or C class cut of meat that may cost only $95 or so, and since anyone who would be able to catch the scam has been replaced with someone who is in on it or is running his own scam on the place. Everything from the toilet paper, cleaner, soap to the glass cleaner is being pilfered unnoticed a roll or eight oz. water bottle full at a time, and once the empty Mfg bottle is tossed, it is retrieved from the trash is filled with the stolen stuff then sold to the underground.

4.Tow Trucks have become the rage in the Latin community, it's like a license to make money, and they can tow a car and take it to and hold it for a rate amount that they set. This practice can be found at many small chain restaurants and others that are Latin controlled places. The tow guys pay a small fee to the Mgr of the place for tow jobs. I see this at the Jack In the Box here in Hollywood, it across the street from a popular record store and right next to the Sun Farmers market. Most people don't even pay attention to the signs posted everywhere (which releases the Restaurant), and will park there car and walk off the lot to wherever it is that they are going, and five mins later the tow truck arrives and within 3mins the car is gone. I can't count the times I have sit in the window eating there and watch 20- 30 cars being towed one after another. I found out that because they are unregulated and set there own price, it can cost up to $350 "cash", to get your car back.


5. The Construction industry is like a fat cow to these guys. With the security being controlled by a Latino guard more than half of the material on the site is easily stolen, and if not sold to the next job as incentive to get the job, it is sold to the underground market. The building practices of these contractors is so amurturistic, as to be laughable, the craftsmanship is shoddy and usually unacceptable by any reputable contractors. But because of the overall savings in some cases up to 50% of the quote of a legitimate contractor who does not employee these practices and in are true craftsman, and who will actually do a correct job, and one that will not haunt and cost money in the never-ending repair job. And because everyone below the Site Manager is now Hispanic, they are the only ones getting the hands on training in that industry, which means they are the only ones that will eventually rise to the management positions.


6. Childcare is being taken over by Latin caregivers. I can't believe you let these people raise your kids, they are in my mind among the worse parents, whose kids are involved with drugs and gangs uncontrolled. Is it any wonder why the average kid who is raised by a Latin nanny is usually, lazy, shiftless, morally corrupt and does not have the mind set to be a valued member to society.

As a businessman myself, and having worked in many positions, in all manner of service industries from the ground up. Having worked my way through college at the local Jack in the Box, including making it all the way up to Shift Manager, then owning my own restaurant I am fully briefed practices and procedures in most jobs, so my spidy-senses can pick up irregularities very easily. I see the till tap, the


of course, these scenerios are not implemented by all Latinos, and by and large, most are good, hard working people who are being used as the innocent face to the public, while those who are the vipers, those involved in illegal scams, use that image to lull us into false security.




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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:10 pm

7. The Graffiti business is just that, a business. We are lead to believe that it's all gang related and even though this is a part of it the repair and elimination has become very lucrative and if it were stopped those business would disappear. I have noticed that most of the companies that deal with this stuff are Hispanic own and staff. So what would be the incentive for it to stop, in fact there is a rumor here in LA that it is subsidize, you know their spray paint, markers, and glass cutters. I have always wondered how these guys could afford to go on this endless campaign of graffiti and at how much it would cost them. Where could they get the cash flow to keep it up on such a constant basis with out being funded by outsiders. The glass replacement business is booming and glass scratching graffiti is also at an all time high.


It would stop if the parents were held responsible and had to pay the price for their kids actions. Make the parent spend part of the jail time incarcerated, and pay for the clean-up. That would stop that pretty quick.

Hmmmmm...





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Post by Dork » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:52 pm

Wow. Did I accidentally wander into a skinhead rally? I hate it when that happens.

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Post by unjonharley » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:01 pm

no Dork you ran into some hard trueths

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:14 pm

I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's work, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TV's while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.'

Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad.

You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My life has VALUE!'

So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

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Post by Dork » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:27 pm

unjonharley wrote:no Dork you ran into some hard trueths
I don't see any truths in this thread - I see a lot of conspiracy theories, made up statistics, and angry racist rhetoric with no hard data to back any of it up. It's a little scary.

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Post by Toolmaker » Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:51 pm

Dork wrote:
unjonharley wrote:no Dork you ran into some hard trueths
I don't see any truths in this thread - I see a lot of conspiracy theories, made up statistics, and angry racist rhetoric with no hard data to back any of it up. It's a little scary.
Want some hard truth?

1. The new car scam. My neighbor from Cuba does this EVERY 3 months. He makes 8 bucks an hour as a hotel night manager and is currently driving a Cadillac.

3. Restaurant Hotel Scams. Again.. my neighbor is constantly trying to sell me good like these. His wife works in a Burger King and also at a Romanos Macaroni Grill. I can get ya anything ya want.. CHEAP. We stopped going to the Romanos after it was infiltrated, the quality drop was VERY noticable.

4. Tow Trucks. So common down here that I got caught up in it and I was a fookin customer! Police did nothing since I had no "proof" of being a customer. They said they would need a warrant to get the security camera evidence that I was at the register paying for my food. There would be no warrant since there was no crime being commited as there were signs posted in the parking lot. No worry.. the cop was also from Cuba so all is good.



Come down to South Florida and you will see what we put up with EVERY single day. I have never considered myself racist but truth cannot be ignored. There is so much hard data to back up that post its not funny. Just poke around in google or even just take a visit to S Florida. As far as manufacturing goes I have never seen more scrap parts sent to customers than here in S Florida. Hole a little too big and not to print, NO PROBLEM.. put a ball bearing on top and "peen" the edges over so the top of the hole is within tolerance. I could on for days but won't.
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Post by Dork » Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:39 pm

I don't doubt that the scams exist. What troubles me is the notion that it's only illegal immigrants taking part. That shit all happens where I live too, but it's not Mexicans or Cubans because we don't have many of them here. You think the problems will all go away and we'll be rich and happy if only "they" leave?

All the stuff about overweight, bratty kids with cell phones - that's America!

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Post by BitterDan » Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:48 pm

I dont' get the car scam. So someone with great credit helps someone with no credit get a car and that person chops the car up? Why would the person with great credit do this again? Additionally, if this were as prevalent as you say, wouldn't the authorities be all over it? It mean, it would be pretty easy to throw the dealership people in jail wouldn't it? The paper trail leads right back to them.

RE: Towing. Ok, you have to admit that if there are signs that say you are going to be towed and you ignore then you got what you deserved. I agree it's a scam, they used it at my old apartment complex but there is nothing really wrong as long as YOU don't park where you aren't supposed to. Right?
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Post by Toolmaker » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:36 pm

BitterDan wrote:I dont' get the car scam. So someone with great credit helps someone with no credit get a car and that person chops the car up? Why would the person with great credit do this again? Additionally, if this were as prevalent as you say, wouldn't the authorities be all over it? It mean, it would be pretty easy to throw the dealership people in jail wouldn't it? The paper trail leads right back to them.

RE: Towing. Ok, you have to admit that if there are signs that say you are going to be towed and you ignore then you got what you deserved. I agree it's a scam, they used it at my old apartment complex but there is nothing really wrong as long as YOU don't park where you aren't supposed to. Right?
The car scam works through identity theft the way it was explained to me. The person whose name is on the car note is not involved in the transaction other than being the victim. The buyer pretends to be the victim so his credit is never damaged.

As far as the towing goes yes if you aren't a customer or resident than you deserve the tow. But towing actual customers is just naughty. That kinda crap will get yer locks glued shut or worse. Trust me.. I didn't get too mad. I got even.

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Post by unjonharley » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:41 pm

Dork. there is no such thing as a illigal immigrants.. they are immigrants or they are crimenals..

NO i do not think the immigrants should leave.. they are a mighty force in our naton..

I do how ever think the illegals/crimenals should be removed from our welfare rolls along with there gang banging fucking brats.. this would not make us all rich as you put it so snotly.. it would get them off my tax paying ass...

there removal would open the work market for the new immigrant and the migratory work force..

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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:31 pm

It's mostly a Parenting problem. As the mothers started having children younger and younger and more, it has created a vacume in the Parenting skills of the mothers for it's hard to teach and show when you aee too young to have gained the Life experince. Now multiply this by three or four generations and you will see where we are now.



Legal Imimgration is a good thing.



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Post by BitterDan » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:09 pm

Legal Imimgration is a good thing.
Yes it is and if it weren't for legal immigration, none of us white folk would be here. So unless you can claim that you are 100% native american then you too are an immigrant to this country.
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Post by mdmf007 » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:12 pm

dont think its turning into a Klan rally. i never heard that about the graffitii removal companies. makes sense though. SOme of the art is actually pretty good.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:42 am

Rabbi Dali Rick wrote:7. The Graffiti business is just that, a business. We are lead to believe that it's all gang related and even though this is a part of it the repair and elimination has become very lucrative and if it were stopped those business would disappear. I have noticed that most of the companies that deal with this stuff are Hispanic own and staff. So what would be the incentive for it to stop, in fact there is a rumor here in LA that it is subsidize, you know their spray paint, markers, and glass cutters. I have always wondered how these guys could afford to go on this endless campaign of graffiti and at how much it would cost them. Where could they get the cash flow to keep it up on such a constant basis with out being funded by outsiders. The glass replacement business is booming and glass scratching graffiti is also at an all time high.


It would stop if the parents were held responsible and had to pay the price for their kids actions. Make the parent spend part of the jail time incarcerated, and pay for the clean-up. That would stop that pretty quick.

Hmmmmm...





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So you are saying that spray paint manufacturers and glass companies are secretly paying kids to make grafitti. They must be keeping their lips sealed pretty tightly. (or BS of course.)

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Post by BitterDan » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:25 am

It would stop if the parents were held responsible and had to pay the price for their kids actions.
Actually they are. It's called restitution and the parents are required by law to pay it when their child is caught doing something like this. The problem is that 95% of them do not get caught.

When I was younger I was caught vandalizing a building and my parents had to pay triple damages to the owner. What sucks is that the building was abandoned and there had not been a business there for at least 20 years. I was probably doing him a favor by helping break some windows. :)
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Post by Toolmaker » Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:58 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:
Rabbi Dali Rick wrote:7. The Graffiti business is just that, a business. We are lead to believe that it's all gang related and even though this is a part of it the repair and elimination has become very lucrative and if it were stopped those business would disappear. I have noticed that most of the companies that deal with this stuff are Hispanic own and staff. So what would be the incentive for it to stop, in fact there is a rumor here in LA that it is subsidize, you know their spray paint, markers, and glass cutters. I have always wondered how these guys could afford to go on this endless campaign of graffiti and at how much it would cost them. Where could they get the cash flow to keep it up on such a constant basis with out being funded by outsiders. The glass replacement business is booming and glass scratching graffiti is also at an all time high.


It would stop if the parents were held responsible and had to pay the price for their kids actions. Make the parent spend part of the jail time incarcerated, and pay for the clean-up. That would stop that pretty quick.

Hmmmmm...





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So you are saying that spray paint manufacturers and glass companies are secretly paying kids to make grafitti. They must be keeping their lips sealed pretty tightly. (or BS of course.)
Now now.. you know damn well he wasn't refering to manufacturers themselves. An auto glass repair guy could rake in some dough going through old customer lists and hitting their windows in the middle of the night. This kinda reminds me of a fella from high school that went from grafitti artist to grafitti remover. He made a nice chunk of change painting over what his pals painted the night before. This is not all that dissimilar too the auto repair racket that got busted open. Transmission repair joints were scamming people by telling them they needed work done showing em oil with shavings in it, when customers refused to have work done the sabotaged the tranny by puttin lil nuts and metal shavings in with the new fluid. When customers returned with a towed vehicle they were told "we told you that you needed work done, now it'll cost ya more for a new trans".

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:13 pm

It's a long way from explaining the phemnenon.

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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:33 pm

It's about the kids who are third generation scuzzballs, who have no morals and in their attempt to deal with a sick and twisted environment where it is everyday practice to beat, assault, pedifile, humiliate, dominate, bully, and compete in their everyday world, or at least the one being sold to them on tv this week. Or maybe it's the 16 y.o. mother, who is forced into buying rediculusly overpriced stuff for these kids just so they can fit in and be considered normal. They are being commercially hypnotized to believe and propagate a bizzare fantazy world of guns, broads, wild sex wit loose Ho's, and Blinging everything that can be blinged. This not only has to transpire for the young mother, but also her 31 year old mother. This out of control, sheep herding of the teens in mass is amazing and it goes across all lines, from the idle rich, to the disenfranchised middle class kids, and the "cross the track un-ligitizable, Hardcore gangbanger. They are all ruled by this commradere of madness that says "The World Will Suffer My Anger!", and I want my five minutes of fame or I'm gonna kill somebody. And when it's time for the retribution for these henious crimes they get saved by some microwave religion, and now they want to move next to you and your family.



Hope this helps.


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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:40 pm

I guess the bottom line is, the world is changing. Faster than we want it too, and always in the total opposite direction we were hoping for, and we all feel we are slowly losing the things that make us human. We are angry that we are not in control of the things that matter, and realize the things that we are in control of, don't really matter.


Go figure.....





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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:33 am

Barbarism is the natural state of mankind. . Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. And barbarism must always ultimately triumph.

Perhaps this is news to you? :D

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