Scientology

EL Wire · Post by **EL Wire** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:59 am

Hello!
Since Burning Man is open minded, I'm kind of worried that the
Scientology people are trying to get in.
Have the Scientology people ever entered Burning Man?
(trying to recruit people)

Does anyone have a story on this subject?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:32 am

i saw Jacko and John travolta at first camp hanging with none other than

L. RON Harvey !!!

i'm afraid you're too late....

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:55 am

BM does take place in the Nevada Desert... I mean where else would the space ships land?

Recruiting at BM for anything would end up being a dismal failure.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:17 am

Have the Scientology people ever entered Burning Man?

Short answer: probably not. I'm sure they'd be ridiculed extensively.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:35 am

Ever see the "South park" episode on Scientology?

It's why Isaac Hayes left.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:41 am

yea... it was so funny.

Did you read the article about them in Rolling Stone? very good and shocking!!!

How could anybody believe that crap? And people complain about the Bible. The Bible is tame compared to Scientology.

EL Wire · Post by **EL Wire** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:04 am

Donna Matrix wrote:BM does take place in the Nevada Desert... I mean where else would the space ships land?

Recruiting at BM for anything would end up being a dismal failure.

Thanks!! I needed that!
I was watching some documentary about Scientology on youtube last night and had a nightmare about Larry Harvey joining them before the first man was burned.
So I started this thread like 5 minutes after I woke up. : )

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:11 am

Ummm hi. I knew my ears were burning for some reason before I checked in to EPlaya this morning.

I'm a Scientologist and BM2008 will be my first year.

No, I will not be "recruiting" or discussing my religious choice with anyone unless they ask me first. I wasn't planning on bringing it up since I knew I would be mocked mercilessly as there is so much BS out there that I just don't feel like trying to counter it all.

But all the same, BM is supposed to be about radical inclusiveness, no? Why is it that because my beliefs are not the standard fare my religion gets mocked? Doesn't that seem a little odd to anyone besides me?

Anyway, I don't appreciate the jibes.

Anyone else feel that this is an unhealthy way to discuss anyone's belief system/religion/sprituality or am I the lone voice on this?

Golden Rule, people.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:18 am

Ever see the episode of "South park"?

The ironic part is, scientology never sued.

EL Wire · Post by **EL Wire** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:20 am

mereth wrote:Ummm hi. I knew my ears were burning for some reason before I checked in to EPlaya this morning.

I'm a Scientologist and BM2008 will be my first year.

No, I will not be "recruiting" or discussing my religious choice with anyone unless they ask me first. I wasn't planning on bringing it up since I knew I would be mocked mercilessly as there is so much BS out there that I just don't feel like trying to counter it all.

But all the same, BM is supposed to be about radical inclusiveness, no? Why is it that because my beliefs are not the standard fare my religion gets mocked? Doesn't that seem a little odd to anyone besides me?

Anyway, I don't appreciate the jibes.

Anyone else feel that this is an unhealthy way to discuss anyone's belief system/religion/sprituality or am I the lone voice on this?

Golden Rule, people.

All I have to say, and it is my final words about it in this thread,
I have discovered how important YouTube is for this planet!!!!!!!

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:41 am

DVD Burner wrote:Ever see the episode of "South park"?

The ironic part is, scientology never sued.

There's a difference between mockery and trying to pass off lies as truth.

To answer your question, though, I've seen enough of that episode to not want to finish watching it. There's about as much truth there as the Weekly World News. I was never a fan of SP even before that episode.

And no, I don't worship Xenu or aliens, for the record.

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:45 am

the study of scientists?

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:02 pm

listen here.. everything and everybody gets mocked here.

It's a rule.

HINT: it's all in fun. if you are getting your panties in a bunch then it's a sign that you are taking this shit WAY TOO serious. Take a chill pill and call me in the morning.

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:17 pm

Box Burner wrote:the study of scientists?

Hardly

. Howzabout some facts rather than rumours?

From the official website http://www.scientology.org/ :

"The word Scientology literally means "the study of truth." It comes from the Latin word "scio" meaning "knowing in the fullest sense of the word" and the Greek word "logos" meaning "study of."

"Scientology is the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others and all of life. The Scientology religion comprises a body of knowledge extending from certain fundamental truths. Prime among these:

"Man is an immortal, spiritual being. His experience extends well beyond a single lifetime. His capabilities are unlimited, even if not presently realized â€” and those capabilities can be realized. He is able to not only solve his own problems, accomplish his goals and gain lasting happiness, but also achieve new, higher states of awareness and ability.

"In Scientology no one is asked to accept anything as belief or on faith. That which is true for you is what you have observed to be true. An individual discovers for himself that Scientology works by personally applying its principles and observing or experiencing results."

Now that doesn't sound too horrible does it?

Yeesh.

Again, not trying to foist this on anyone. I'm not a great proselityzer (sp?)anyway. I just don't enjoy seeing everyone taking the media's (YouTube included), tabloid's and naysayer's words for everything.

If anyone has further questions about what Scientology is or isn't, PM me.

To, again, respectfully answer El Wire's question, yes, I'm a Scientologist and I will be going to see the man burn next August.

If you're not comfortable with that then maybe YOU shouldn't go...

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:22 pm

how much money have you spent on learning the truth so far?

and when are the space ships coming?

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:49 pm

Donna Matrix wrote:how much money have you spent on learning the truth so far?

and when are the space ships coming?

If knowledge is priceless, why does that matter? Other churches tithe.

As far as space ships, go ask Fox Mulder or the head of NASA. I have no fucking idea.

I do in fact have a sense of humor. Choice of religion however should be the overall exception to that along with race and sexual orientation to name a few. Isaac Hayes was wrong to stay with South Park for as long as he did. It was fine when it was just poopie jokes, but upon escalation he should have resigned.

It took the Holocaust for people to stop mocking Judaism and Jews (as much as they were, at least). I would like to avoid a repeat.

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:08 pm

Knowledge is free, go to the Library.
I would rather worship a space alien than devote my life
to some imaginary friend in the clouds, or his son.
I've seen a UFO, but except for his appearances on the occasional
pieces of toast, I have no reason to believe in Jesus or his Dad.
Faith requires faith.
Religion (and politics) is for FOOLS.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:10 pm

mereth - you are confused...

the constitution only protects people from discriminating governmental action - it does not protect people from individual discrimination. I have the right to discriminate as I feel.

I do not have to agree with you, nor do I have to condone your religion. Both of us are just exercising our freedom of speech.

And the only way you can coerce me into stopping is if I let you.

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:15 pm

I'm crushed. I thought they wanted me because I was a cool scientist.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:16 pm

fool, n.

One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding.

One who acts unwisely on a given occasion: I was a fool to have quit my job.

One who has been tricked or made to appear ridiculous; a dupe: They made a fool of me by pretending I had won.

Informal A person with a talent or enthusiasm for a certain activity: a dancing fool; a fool for skiing.

A member of a royal or noble household who provided entertainment, as with jokes or antics; a jester.

One who subverts convention or orthodoxy or varies from social conformity in order to reveal spiritual or moral truth: a holy fool.

A dessert made of stewed or purÃ©ed fruit mixed with cream or custard and served cold.

Archaic A mentally deficient person; an idiot.

I pick the desert made of fruit.... yum, yum.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:19 pm

Box Burner,

I like cool scientists... you study glaicers? Are you endothermic?

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:26 pm

My reply is in red below.

mereth - you are confused...

the constitution only protects people from discriminating governmental action - it does not protect people from individual discrimination. I have the right to discriminate as I feel.

Did I say anything about the constitution? I just personally don't discriminate on those things and I don't personally feel anyone else should either. That's all.

I do not have to agree with you,
I'm not saying you do.

nor do I have to condone your religion.

I'm not saying that either.

Both of us are just exercising our freedom of speech.

And the only way you can coerce me into stopping is if I let you.

Then we are in agreement. You are making your point and so am I.

I'm sorry for the turn this discussion has taken. I don't feel any ill will towards anyone on this board, just for the record.

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:29 pm

Donna Matrix wrote:fool, n.

One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding.

One who acts unwisely on a given occasion: I was a fool to have quit my job.

One who has been tricked or made to appear ridiculous; a dupe: They made a fool of me by pretending I had won.

Informal A person with a talent or enthusiasm for a certain activity: a dancing fool; a fool for skiing.

A member of a royal or noble household who provided entertainment, as with jokes or antics; a jester.

One who subverts convention or orthodoxy or varies from social conformity in order to reveal spiritual or moral truth: a holy fool.

A dessert made of stewed or purÃ©ed fruit mixed with cream or custard and served cold.

Archaic A mentally deficient person; an idiot.

I pick the desert made of fruit.... yum, yum.

I'll take the Informal definition for $500, Bob.

Dork · Post by **Dork** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:33 pm

One of my camp-mates received a bunch of scientology literature last year, including one booklet with a big picture of Isaac Hayes on it.

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:42 pm

Yeah, well my opinion of Isaac as being in the wrong for his long-term hypocrisy with SP is my own. (Imagine that! A Scientologist who has their own opinion!

)

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:44 pm

OK a little sobriety here.

Scientology (or Judaism, Christianity, Islam, hot dog on a stick or insert choice here) may be right for you. Only you know (or maybe not). Only you can decide. Everyone walks their own path. but anyone who says that theirs is the only way and you have to join/follow them is selling snake oil and should be watched very closely.

We are all fools, are we not?

I too pick the desert made out of fruit. Yum!

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:45 pm

I don't think BM needs propaganda distribution of any kind except it's own.

Handing out such is non-gifts. It is pushing someones default world agenda. Shame on them.

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:47 pm

BB, I couldn't have said it better myself.
<<Hug>>

Thank you.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:52 pm

It a fight to the finish... oh.. who will win...

Let the dogmatic fight the dogmatic.

It is not only the right of everyone to pick their own God/Religion or lack thereof.. it is their right to boo-hoo all others. How else can one have a intelligent debate?

And if guns/rockets/grenades be invovled, so what?

War doesn't determine who's right only who's left.

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:01 pm

Didn't say anything about the right to boohoo others. My original post was poking fun at scientology by pretending ignorance. boohoo away.

Still there is no need to be mean about it.