Two Girls One Cup - The Presidential Debates....

[Rabbi Dali Rick]

Is anybody else watching the debates? Who you got so far?





Republican: Ron Paul
Everybody else looks sleazy and all about big buisness and more of the same old big ol' boy shit.


Democratic: Barak O'bama
Only cause he seems like the one who will envoke the most change. I did like Hillary because the previous white house experince, the others I don't know yet, so now I get to kind of see some of the others.






the rebbi

[mdmf007]

Mr. Paul makes the most sene in the debate tonight - but does not present as a President.

Senator Obama is far too inexperienced in my opinion. John Edwards is making some very salient points.

My pick?

Based on the debate - Governor Romney did a great job, and Rudy both were up there IMHO.

still watching.

[oneeyeddick]

Putting "two girls, one cup" in the heading is like hippy fishing with a glowstick....ya got me !

[Ugly Dougly]

It's so sad to see Ron Paul coming up with common sense thoughts about the mideast, and all those Good Old Boys laughing at his "naivity":
"Boy, we know what we're doing, that's why we gots us a quagmire!"

[Rabbi Dali Rick]

I see that the only way Ron Paul is mentioned on the news is when his supporters, with signs and chanting Ron's name so loud the reporters can hardly be heard. Excellent.....





the rebbi

[Apollonaris Zeus]

Obama all the way!

Romney dead as a doorknob. Hillary corrupted. Edwards corrupted. Guiliani has too many ghosts in his closet. Ron Paul no charisma.

I like richards sincerity and he has lots of experience in world and local politics but his double chin get in the way when he speaks.

Yep, Obama is going to be the one. I've been reading his web site lots of good changes.

george w bush prove that anyone can be president with limited experience and mental power and Obama has many times that of gw bush.

Barack Attack in NH!

AIIZ

[can't sit still]

Of all the noxious shit offered to us on the current plate of candidates, I think Rudy qualifies as the slimiest and stinkiest.
It doesn't matter if Paul is naive. He has a good role model. He can just shake the shit out of Washington by governing with executive orders. When the fascist PTBs want to undo his changes, it should be very entertaining to listen to them. I can just hear them trying to justify gargantuan wastes of money.
I can see it right now,,,, Fascist lobbyist; "we need hundreds of billions of dollars of susidies for our industries because we're too laden with pork to compete on the world market" or
"we need all the money that the middle class has because they'll just waste it"
It would be more entertaining than listening to the current pablum on the airwaves.

[unjonharley]

what? no mention of the huckalberry¿

[capjbadger]

Mr. Paul makes the most sene in the debate tonight - but does not present as a President.

Senator Obama is far too inexperienced in my opinion. John Edwards is making some very salient points.

My pick?

Based on the debate - Governor Romney did a great job, and Rudy both were up there IMHO.

still watching.

Again and again, I keep seeing and hearing the same bullshit again and again, regurgitated by those who think they're being "all smart-like" about politics when they cough this crap up:

Obama is a good candidate, but he lacks experience.

O RLY?

Let's look at the facts, oi?

John Edwards:
- earned his law degree from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC)
- won election to the U.S. Senate in 1998 (giving him a total of nine years in politics altogether)

Hm.

How about a guy a whole shit-ton of the same people citing "Obama's inexperience" voted for last time around?

Howard Dean:
- received his medical degree from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in 1978
- In 1982, he was elected to the Vermont House of Representatives, where he remained until being elected lieutenant governor in 1986 (total of 22 years in politics when last election rolled around.)

Interesting. The dude didn't even HAVE a degree in law. He's a doctor, Jim, not a lawmaker!

Hillary Clinton:
- graduated from Yale Law School in 1973
- On the one hand, was the First Lady. On the other, Hillary was elected to the United States Senate in 2000, giving her a grand total of seven years as her own politician.

Let's not forget Georgie Porgie W. and Pie!
- Graduated with an MBA, then ran companies into the ground.
- Was only governor of Texas for 6 fucking years before being elected.

And then there's Obama:
- completed his J.D. degree magna cum laude in 1991 from Harvard Law
- was elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1996 and was sworn in as a US Senator on January 4, 2005, giving him eleven years in politics.

On the one hand, it could be argued that he doesn't have as much experience as some of the other candidates. Ron Paul, that greasy fuck, has been doing this for decades.

But can we stop saying that Barack has a "Lack of Experience?" Please? If you want to say it, I can't stop you, but if you have less experience than Barack in legal or political history, I'm gonna call bullshit on you. Stop parroting the talking points of your idiot box overlords. Use your goddamned brain.

[Toolmaker]

Didn't Rudy make it illegal to be homeless?

I would have to go with Obama, I too heard all the tripe about lack of experience. As mentioned, he has planety of exp. and I couldn't find anything where he fucked up too bad. Now Rudy on the other hand.. just google and you will find. I tend to avoid watching scripted debates, I'm more interested in what they voted for or against when they held office. I think Obama is gonna be the best thing or the worst. All depends on whether or not he is being honest.

Oh yeah.. isn't 2 girls 1 cup a scat website or something?

[mdmf007]

Hey Capjbadger -

I said it was my opinion and qualified it with no more than that. What qualifies your statement? and makes you think anyone gives a shit anymore about yours than mine? The thread was about discussion,

Heres some more of my opinion for you - Until this election Obama was a no-one in national politics.

later

[can't sit still]

I'm not even interested in your opinion. If greasy fuck is all you can say about Ron Paul, you've pretty much outlined your beliefs. The rest is drivel.

[mdmf007]

exactly

[capjbadger]

Hey Capjbadger -

I said it was my opinion and qualified it with no more than that. What qualifies your statement? and makes you think anyone gives a shit anymore about yours than mine? The thread was about discussion,

Heres some more of my opinion for you - Until this election Obama was a no-one in national politics.

later

Hmm.. I appear to have struck a cord to get that kind of reaction out of you. Or it's just the reaction to getting outed as someone who doesn't think outside of what the media tells them. I give you facts and you respond by completely failsing to address them at all in a meaningful discussion you claim to be all about. Interesting...

If you want a discussion, try some facts instead of your "opinions" that are nothing more then recycled backyard gossip.

Obama was only a "no-one" to anyone that wasn't paying attention. Why don't you go do a little research before spouting off again into the wind.

Don't get me wrong, none of them has my vote as of yet. They're still all a bunch of baby-eating cocktards. I'm just tired of hearing people spouting off the same uninformed tripe, time after time.

Badger

[capjbadger]

I'm not even interested in your opinion. If greasy fuck is all you can say about Ron Paul, you've pretty much outlined your beliefs. The rest is drivel.

Tsk tsk tsk... And we used to have such great debates over on the alt engery thread CSS. When did you become a reactive sheep?? Prehaps you could ummmm... discuss like this thread is supposed to be for? Hmmm?

You want a larger mention of Ron Paul? Fine:

Ron Paul was born in Green Tree, Pennsylvania, in 1935. Excelling in track and field, he graduated from Dormont High School in 1953 with honors. He also was on the wrestling team, played football and baseball, and was student council president.


While a Dormont schoolmate, Carol Wells had asked Paul to escort her to a sweet-16 Sadie Hawkins party, which was their first date. They kept in touch while attending colleges in different states. Over a 1956 park picnic before his senior year at Gettysburg, Paul proposed marriage to Wells; the couple were wedded on February 1, 1957, at Dormont Presbyterian Church before 300 guests, and they are still together. This means he has an outstanding grasp of what it's like to be most of America, which is either divorced, gay or single.

During his early days, Paul was influenced by Friedrich Hayek’s Road to Serfdom, which led him to read many works of Ayn Rand. This explains sooooo much. He also came to know economists Hans Sennholz and Murray Rothbard well and credits them with his fascination with the study of economics. On August 15, 1971, when President Richard Nixon closed the "gold window" by implementing the U.S. dollar's complete departure from the gold standard, he says he realized what the Austrian School economists wrote was coming true. Considering the works of Rothbard and Sennholz did not make predictions, but contained nothing more than financial and politically anarchic theories (most of which still remain mere theories), nobody knows what the fuck Ron Paul is talking about here.

In 1974, alarmed at the turmoil he saw predicted by the Austrian school, Vietnam War funding, rampant inflation, and wholesale welfare, Paul became a delegate to the Texas Republican convention and a Republican candidate for Congress. When President Gerald Ford appointed Robert R. Casey to head the Federal Maritime Commission, Paul won an April 1976 special election to fill the empty seat. Paul lost 6 months later in the general election, to Democrat Robert Gammage, by fewer than 300 votes (0.2%), but defeated Gammage in a 1978 rematch and won new terms in 1980 and 1982. Thus began the waking nightmare that is...

Paul sponsors many more bills than the average representative, such as those that would abolish the income tax or the Federal Reserve. Many do not reach the House floor for a vote. Nevertheless, he has been named one of the "50 Most Effective Members of Congress" by Congressional Quarterly. Makes sense.

On February 19, 2007, Paul formed an exploratory committee to gauge support for a run in the 2008 U.S. presidential election. Saying he was "pleasantly surprised" by the committee's findings, Paul formally declared his candidacy for the Republican nomination on March 12, 2007, as a guest on C-SPAN's Washington Journal. Prior to his campaign, in a February 2007 CNN telephone poll, Paul was the candidate with the least name recognition besides John Cox.

Ron Paul has a notorious army of online neo-nazis, white supremacists and whackjob nutbags who post with such frequency that, no shit, the question was officially raised about whether or not they were automated bots. After the data was scrutinized, it was deemed mostly legit. This is even more terrifying - these racist shitbricks are marching in lockstep for Ron, but nobody seems to be reporting on it. With the frequency that these raging shitheads post, it's surprising they find enough time to do anything else - when do they sit back and relax by molesting their children? He is officially endorsed by Stormfront, an online American White Supremacist group. He has, to date, said not a goddamned word disavowing their support. That's because for all the big game he talks, Ron Paul is a little pussy who knows he needs every scrap of support he can squeeze out of idiots who get swastika tattoos on their necks. He has also voted against renewing the Civil Rights Act. He's supported by David Duke and Pat Buchanan. David fucking Duke, people. In 1992, Paul wrote about blacks in Washington DC: "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

It's been said that Ron Paul is Pro-Life. This is a misnomer. Ron Paul, for all the big game he talks about liberty, is staunchly Anti-Choice. He is one of the few candidates who has actively and repeatedly introduced legislation that attacks Roe v. Wade. He also believes America should jam its head into the sand regarding all foreign affairs (including the middle east), that everything in America should be decided by the states and not the Federal Government, and that the Federal Reserve eats white babies right out of the cradle. He wants us to get rid of dollars, go back to gold and silver, and reinstate slavery. Welfare should be abolished, leaving millions of citizens to starve in the street, and we should all wear chickens on our heads.
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Is that enough of a mention? I didn't have time for it the other day. Sorry.

Badger

[mdmf007]

Cap -
I was in a bad mood when i wrote that terse reply, i am better than that.
I took your comments as an attack and I wrote hastily...

Maybe your some type of political super analyst, and have time to read all day and night - I have a job, and cannot. I do consider myself more informed than most though.

So I am not going to apologize for my opinion - I think Obama is too inexperienced, He just rubs me as too eager, and idealistic. There are plenty of others that I think are too inexperienced as well.

Also - you state

"Or it's just the reaction to getting outed as someone who doesn't think outside of what the media tells them. I give you facts and you respond by completely failsing to address them at all in a meaningful discussion you claim to be all about. Interesting...

No shit - where else would I get my information. isn't the internet, newspaper, newscast, magazines, and radio all media? Where do you get your holier and more accurate information? Unfortunately i have not sat down with the candidates personally to interview them - have you? so I guess I have to rely a little on a third party for information.

When i do see someone on TV in a debate, or interview, that is about as close as and first hand I can get them now isn't it?
I go to caucuses and vote, and vote by mail if i cant be there.

anyways if you need the last word you can have it - i have stated my OPINION and am moving on -

Later Cap - thanks for the opportunity to type.

[capjbadger]

Cap -
I was in a bad mood when i wrote that terse reply, i am better than that.
I took your comments as an attack and I wrote hastily...

Maybe your some type of political super analyst, and have time to read all day and night - I have a job, and cannot. I do consider myself more informed than most though.

So I am not going to apologize for my opinion - I think Obama is too inexperienced, He just rubs me as too eager, and idealistic. There are plenty of others that I think are too inexperienced as well.

Also - you state

"Or it's just the reaction to getting outed as someone who doesn't think outside of what the media tells them. I give you facts and you respond by completely failsing to address them at all in a meaningful discussion you claim to be all about. Interesting...

No shit - where else would I get my information. isn't the internet, newspaper, newscast, magazines, and radio all media? Where do you get your holier and more accurate information? Unfortunately i have not sat down with the candidates personally to interview them - have you? so I guess I have to rely a little on a third party for information.

When i do see someone on TV in a debate, or interview, that is about as close as and first hand I can get them now isn't it?
I go to caucuses and vote, and vote by mail if i cant be there.

anyways if you need the last word you can have it - i have stated my OPINION and am moving on -

Later Cap - thanks for the opportunity to type.

No I don't need the last word though I may end up with it anyway simply by replying.

I am sorry as well. After re-reading my OP, it did come across as much more of an attack than was intended. Please forgive me.

My reply to your reply was of course in reaction and was in similar tone.

I'm no super anything, just a guy with an internet connection at work, too much curiosity, time on his hands, and a stong opinion.
90% of the info info I put up was from the candidates' own web sites.

When I say the "media" I'm typically talking about the spin, half truths, buzz phrases, and sound bites fed to the masses from the 5 o'clock news and campaign ads. The know they can get away with it because they know that the average voter can't be bothered to look up some info for themselves (such as voting records from congress and such).

It is the media that is tearing Hillary apart right now and will doom any chance she has, deserved or not.

It's also where this idea that Obama is inexperienced comes from. The factual record clearly shows this to not be the case.

No, I do not expect an apology for your opinion. Dear gods no.
But I do expect you to be able to back up your opinion with logical, factual reason why you have that opinion.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clear the air a bit.

Badger

[Apollonaris Zeus]

You knew it would become an issue when the "Lily Whites" the men that control politics behind the curtain start to fear a real change. These right wingdings in two day are drumming up everything that they can think of to destroy the Barack Attack. Yesterday it was bullshit about Hillary and his mention of Pres Johnson and ML King. Tomorrow, it going to be about the Latino-Negro conflict. I just think reading statements like this is a divisive trick to get the vote back to the ones that won't change anything except the percentage of discount on stock trades:

“Many Latinos are not ready for a person of color,â€

[lurker]

Don't think the Democrats'll allow any Barak Obama in the White House(It's called the White House for a reason, doncha know). Last time them negroes started getting above them selves they started up the Klan, passed Jim Crow, and did all they could to keep them people down where they belong.

And up against good ol; Rebel flag flyin Bills wife? Nah, ain't gonna happen.

Besides, ol'Baraks' been in a national office for what? Two years? And he's spent them years campaigning!