I hate sock puppets because. . .

All things outside of Burning Man.

I hate sock puppets because

They don't match other socks.
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They don't match other socks.
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They always have holes.
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They always have holes.
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No votes
They stink.
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No votes
They stink.
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No votes
The ears rub blisters inside my shoes.
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3%
The ears rub blisters inside my shoes.
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My hatred of sock puppets is so esquisitally nuanced that no poll can adequately express it.
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My hatred of sock puppets is so esquisitally nuanced that no poll can adequately express it.
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31%
 
Total votes: 36

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Post by Sylvia » Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:55 pm

This is a good thread for me. I post as either of two ID's This one and SED. At first, I did this just for the simple kick of having another ID--like a mask or a costume. Then it seemed like I'd post as one or the other depending on my mood or attitude. But it got confusing.

I never double posted with the intent of creating drama, or dodging responsibility, or whatever motive drives some other sock puppeteers. Well, at least I hope that's true. It got confusing, y'see.

So now I'm with Stuart. It isn't just because of the problems that make the eplaya less fun. It's a general impulse in my life to get real.

I won't get into all the personal stuff, uless someone wants to know about it. They can PM for that. It's just that I think I can be more effective and definitely more appealing as one consistent self.

There's also a matter of trust. I feel I can trust certain entities, like Stuart, Lydia and Angry Butterfly, because you've been consistent. I haven't been so egregiously flaky so as to feel guilty about what I've said, but it all comes back to what Stuart said: Why can't we be ourselves?

Well, I guess it's fun to play dress up, but at some point you have to get real. Is eplaya the place to be real? Could be, if we wanted it.

It's a bold question, Stuart. Why can't we all stay sober all the time? Why do women wear make up? Why do men fall into the ugly dance of macho posturing? I'm not accusing you of anything, but I have to ask you if you are as real and genuine all the time as you would have others be?

It's hard to ask a question like that without feeling judgemental, so if you felt judged, I did my best not to but could help it.

If I was really myself, would anyone like me? Maybe fewer people like me because I'm always someone else? Ouch!

If anyone's followed my posts, they'll know I have a baby boy. Each day it becomes more clear to me that of all the people I have to be straight with, he tops the list. He's completely naive and he'll take what I say as truth. And of course, there's my wife, who doesn't go to BM and won't ever go, either. So there's an added level of honesty. Can't tell her too much or she'll get bored and irritated. Can't do so much that I'll have something not to tell.

Whatever happened to Flux, anyway?

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Post by nipples » Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:52 pm

So long as what your sister was wearing:

"Jammies with little horsies on them, most likely."

was not a lie
it is highly probable
our relationship is
salvagable.

That is, however just ~me~.

There are 29,996 others on the playa whom whom might also want a PIECE OF YOUR ASS ~snikt~ for using a partial/multiple false name! YOU BASTARD!

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Post by paps » Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:22 am

nipples you are such a meanie ~snikt~

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Post by amnesia » Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:25 am

both of you suck
for not remembering your name
~snikt~

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Post by Bob » Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:27 am

Überblick -- Das SNIK-Sortiment:
www.snik.de
o exquisite meaniehead Sonnenkosmetik
o Sonnenschutz + pflegende Hautkosmetik
o schnelle tiefe Bräunung meaniehead
o extrem verträglich
o auch für zarte Kinderhaut
o wasserbeständig
o sehr guter und hautfreundlicher Sonnenschutz
o schnelle und intensive meaniehead Bräunung
o preiswerte Alternative zur exklusiven first class line
o wasserbeständig
o sehr hoher Sonnenschutzfaktor
o Gletscher-meaniehead, Himalaja-bewährt
o wasserbeständig


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Post by Sylvia » Wed Dec 31, 2003 10:38 am

Rest assured, Nips. She did wear the horsies as verily as she needed to get fucked.

Say goodbye to Sylvia, folks. She's off to deleteville.

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Post by Tancorix » Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:01 am

Why? Sylvia and Sed might be socks but there's nothing wrong with them imho. I wish the ID's would stay put.

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Post by stuart » Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:29 am

to asnwer you sed, I am as much myself here as I am in conversation with friends. My posts sound like I talk in RL (save for the occasional abbreviation). I do moderate my behavior in my workplace. It's more of a cesorship thing than a behaving as other thing. I also do the same, to a much lesser degree with my parents. Other than those two groups, everybody pretty much gets the same treatment. I even tell my wife when I think she has bought a hideous pair of shoes (more frequently than she would like I am sure). Perhaps this makes me selfish or lazy.

as far as you tancorix, well, we all know you have had as many ID's on this board as I have fingers so I will take your comments in an appropriate context.

I am cursious though, when you post under a different ID, what is that like? Do you have different opinions, traits, attitudes? Is it hard to keep straight? What makes you choose one over the other? Isn't it a pain in the ass? Non-puppetears want to know!

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Post by BlueBirdPoof » Wed Dec 31, 2003 2:10 pm

Badger wrote:Well, I hate Spock puppets because I'm continually reminded of the almost adversarial dynamic that existed between Spock and McCoy - especially in the second season.
And then there are the dreaded Spork puppets that remind me of unwholesome doings in the silverware drawer.

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Post by BlueBirdPoof » Wed Dec 31, 2003 2:13 pm

Bob wrote::
o Sonnenschutz + pflegende Hautkosmetik


Wasn't that sailing around the world without being able to go to port when Wagner did it?

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Post by nipples » Thu Jan 01, 2004 8:43 am

Dear Sylvia,

I was being sarcastic. You are not a bastard. 29,996 others also do not use a full real name.

Few on the eplaya/playa volunteer a full real name to strangers. The ones that do may call us cowardly from their vantage, but can anyone else? The person whom started this thread? Would this thread have been started by the same author using his/her real full name & city location? Or would they have imagined repercussions from an angry mob of sock puppets?

I am nipples, for instance.
nipples is a pen-name of ~me~, because i choose not to use my
full real name, allowing me a degree of anonimity. Yes, I could say the exact same things under my real full name & city location, etc... but probably would not.

I am also amnesia, and paps. And on the old bbs, lucky & eroto, & fishspanker. They are all innocuous.. not causing harm.

I do not make nom-de-plumes (sp!) for the purpose of building conscensus, but to converse with one another, or when i feel nipples has had too much exposure & will grow tiresome.

It is a wild wacky world out there, and I am glad that Sylvia was in it for a while.

Again, bear in mind that very few burners use their real full name, change it often, etc..... but it is always, in my humble opinion (imho), an excercise, a stretch to gain the best person you/i could be if we only let ourselves. MAybe even "ugly" authors get to see what it is like to be ugly? Or we do? Dunno!

I do understand the frustration of reading people that are angry, mean or trollish, but their name is irrelevant to the content they have chosen to "provide" (that is, to ME, it does not matter whom says what, only what is said). Excepting of course that they probably would not be as "out there" if there were no false names allowed.... identifiable & having the chance of knowing a knock on the door. Ditto with peace-lovers throwing flower petals at our feet. They might not take that chance, either.

Would you (the person reading this) have made each post exactly as you have in the past without your mask on?

See ya on the funny pages!

nipples
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Post by NaughtySnowAngel » Thu Jan 01, 2004 10:57 am

Isn't, by definition, any online identity a Sock Puppet?

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Post by Lydia Love » Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:20 pm

It's an interesting thought, that by picking *any* nom de plume you are hiding behind a false identity... and one I don't think is necessarily true. I've been posting as Lydia Love for... hmmm... not sure. A couple of years anyway.

I don't automatically give out *all* my info, last name, location, phone number and address because there is that possiblity that someone out there would use that info to give me grief. However, there are eplayans out there that *have* been given all that info. I don't think it's dishonest to pick and choose who I give that kind of access to my life.

However, as far as access to *me* as a person, my personality, my thoughts yadda yadda yadda... I've decided to be the real me here. Including my faults, contradictory statements and opinions, snit fits, overreactions etc etc etc. I didn't always do this. It used to be that when I thought my opinion would likely be unpopular I'd just shut the fuck up and keep it to myself. I've decided not to do that anymore. If I think it I'll say it and sometimes that means I have to apologize to someone just a little bit later. Lydia Love is as much me as Lydia Ratcliffe.

Anywho... I'm just beating a dead horse here. Y'all know by know what my opinion is. But just so you know, I don't *hate* anyone using multiple sock puppets. I'm just not that *interested* in talking to all of them.
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Post by Bob » Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:44 pm

2) If I posted under a fake identity that I was a candidate for taking over Burning Man regional group responsibility as well as the ethical framework for posting to the eplaya (ha), and then whined all over the eplaya about an alleged emergency that must be solved by [someone else, of course] removing that fake identity, and yet all my annoying posts remained from that previous identity, and (who the hell knows) probably a few other fake IDs, would I even want to show my duplicitously mendacious fake fuckface on the eplaya at all ever again?

1) How does one achieve the status of "Guest" (see p.1), exactly, and continue to act like one?
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Go shit in the corner...

Post by Last Real Burner » Thu Jan 01, 2004 5:32 pm

Hey you can all kiss my ass. This is a sock puppet, so there. Ha Ha you'll never guess who I am..... Bwaahhhhhaaaaaaa....

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Post by Bob » Thu Jan 01, 2004 6:46 pm

The Lost Real Dali -- the mostly honest sock inhabitant on or off the eplaya --
give him a hand, or at least a finger.
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Post by nipples » Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:00 pm

I do not have one/a* (sock puppet), bwwwwwaaa?

skeinfully,
nipples

*plural, not one
purl knot one
crotchety
needle
fabrication
darn
also "whole cloth"

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Post by nipples » Thu Jan 01, 2004 10:30 pm

pup·pe·teer "p&-p&-'tir noun
: one who manipulates puppets

mar·i·o·nette "mar-E-&-'net, noun
: a small-scale usually wooden figure (as of a person) with jointed limbs that is moved from above by manipulation of the attached strings or wires

ma·nip·u·late m&-'ni-py&-"lAt transitive verb
2 :to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage
3 : to change by artful or unfair means so as to serve one's purpose :

tweak 'twEk verb
3 : to make small adjustments in or to <tweak the controls>; especially

de·lu·sion di-'lü-zh&n, noun
2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self

re·spon·si·ble ri-'spän(t)-s&-b&l adjective
(2) : being the cause or explanation <

self-aware -&-'war, -'wer adjective
: characterized by self-awareness

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Post by joel the ornery » Sat Jan 03, 2004 5:21 am

Lydia Love wrote:I've decided to be the real me here.
For me in life and/or on-line, that is the only choice.

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Shit, shit, shit....

Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:25 am

Bob wrote:The Lost Real Dali -- the mostly honest sock inhabitant on or off the eplaya --
give him a hand, or at least a finger.
Damn! Foiled again.Image

irreverantly,
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Post by BlueBirdPoof » Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:20 am

Well at least wspr had the grace to call his sock pupper "sockbmorg." No confusion that way.

What scares me is that the foot is (marginally) saner than the head.

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Re: I hate sock puppets because. . .

Post by ygmir » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:23 pm

an interesting read, some history, and reflections even now...........
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Re: I hate sock puppets because. . .

Post by bigdane » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:47 pm

...true unless the whole thread is sock puppets creating the illusion of a dynamic when it is merely confused static...well except eric..he's real isn't he? 8)
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Re: I hate sock puppets because. . .

Post by ygmir » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:52 pm

Eric is very real, very cool...........there are some interesting statements, from folks still here, in there.
Just "history" I guess.
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Re: I hate sock puppets because. . .

Post by bigdane » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:03 pm

j/k, knew he was real, suspected he was cool...and my comment was not intended to demean any sock puppets...real or imagined...


agreed tho its very interesting to look at what diatribe was flying around this thread 8 yrs ago
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Re: I hate sock puppets because. . .

Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:28 pm

It just makes me sad. I was young and happy. Probably before I got married. Oh yeah, definitely before I got married. Trying to fit in. And confused.
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Re: I hate sock puppets because. . .

Post by Box Burner » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:04 am

My sock puppet was carried off by a giraffe with a refrigerator on it's back.
Dance in the heart of chaos. . . . .

ὁ δὲ ἀνεξέταστος βίος οὐ βιωτὸς ἀνθρώπῳ
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- Σωκράτης

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Re: I hate sock puppets because. . .

Post by GREENPENIS » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:59 am

I barely even knew what a sock puppet was at this point in history.
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Re: I hate sock puppets because. . .

Post by kingsoon » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:17 am

id was in dose day we run the field, chase rhino, and use any name we want.
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Re: I hate sock puppets because. . .

Post by Mojojita » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:45 pm

Wow - it is always bittersweet to see posts from Nipples......
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