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No such thing as a god and life ends when you die?
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No such thing as a god and life ends when you die?
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There is such an entity as a God, but only one and you don't die but live in eternal bliss in heaven or burn in hell?
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There is such an entity as a God, but only one and you don't die but live in eternal bliss in heaven or burn in hell?
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There are many gods and you don't die but continue in alternate cycles of the spirit world and the matierial world?
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There are many gods and you don't die but continue in alternate cycles of the spirit world and the matierial world?
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Post by cowboyangel » Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:39 pm

God=Lydia=Lydia's Pants=God
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:43 pm

cowboyangel wrote:God=Lydia=Lydia's Pants=God
If god was lydia then I would wish to reincarnated as her bicycle seat!


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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:27 pm

Jesus didn't believe in idoltry, but we made him onto one!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:58 pm

Due to the fact that the current administration is faltering in its job of monitoring for flagrant violations of the following "Terms of Service Agreement" paragraph E definitions-

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Written word is a violation of the above clauses as any image!

I ask the admin to delete this thread if you are as sincere as you think!

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Ooop that's my thread, but never the less it is a violation of something?

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:59 pm

HELLENISM
(What We Believe,
What We Stand For
by Kresphontis on behalf of Diipetes,
published on Green Egg journal, issue no 109, Summer 1995

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Hellenism (ELLENIKON ETHNISMOS) is not simply a Religion and Cosmotheory, it is a certain form of human consciousness and an everyday ethos. It is a strong adversary of the so-called "Monotheism" and this not only due to its being the most well-documented of the ancient polytheistic nature-Religions, but also because it is the cultural product of a civilization much higher -on all levels- than the one which created and spread the worship of a Desert "God" throughout the world.

Hellenism perceives Cosmos (KOSMOS, i.e. the Universe) as an ever-existing Being, which not only was not created by some "creator" God out of nothing (EK TOU MEDENOS), but on the contrary allowed the Gods themselves to be created through its procedures. Hellenism understands Cosmos as APEIRON (Apeiron, Infinity) in great, wonderful order and therefore in Hellenic language Cosmos means also jewel (KOSMOS, KOSMENA). Gods were born inside the Cosmos and live inside it -they are part of it. This is our REAL dispute with the so-called "Monotheism;" not the number of Gods (One or Many, Mono- or Poly-) but where the God or Gods stand in relation to the Cosmos. For the "Monotheists" the Cosmos was created by an ever -existing Being outside it (so in this macro-historical level it is nothing more than a mortal creation). For the "Monotheists" Cosmos is a creation that has to obey the laws of its "creator". For us Hellenes, the eternal Cosmos emerges always from inside of itself (ANADYETAI AFS EAUTOU) and is the creator of all Gods, which have to obey its own laws. In the Hellenic Cosmotheory, these laws are :

ANTIPEPONTHOS Untranslatable into English, but roughly meaning "all events influence others" thought without "cause and effect",
NOMOS The entirey of the universal physical Laws), and
ANAKE (Need and Fate), which all Gods respect and obey.

Due to the eternal nature of Cosmos itself, the Hellenic perception of KRONOS (Time) is not linear (as the followers of Yahweh or the modern "rationalists" declare), nor circular (as many judeo-born occult dogmas teach) through the OUROBOROS symbol (the tail-eater snake), but spiral and leading to APEIRON. Through this shape of Time, the annual circles, the lunar circles, the human (and all) life, and the art of Prophecy, are fully interpreted. History is never "repeated", just similar to the point that identical events happen but always under different circumstances. And the death of humans (and of all mortal forms of life) happens as the philosopher Alkmaion declared, simply "because it is impossible for the end of the circle to touch the beginning". In other words, because it is impossible for the old to become infants again.

For the Hellenic Tradition, or at least its part not yet influenced by the "moral" ideas brought over from eastern civilizations by some famous philosophers as Pythagoras and Plato, no such thing as the "karma" of the eastern theocrats exists, and no "judges" exist in the skies or elsewhere. All dead become automatically holy and then they are born again until through ARETE (Virtue) one day their PSYCHE escapes from the spiral of Time, thus becoming primitive God, DAIMON, a word with a positive meaning for Hellenes, in contrast with Judeo-Christain superstition. HERAKLES (Hercules) is the ultimate symbol of this struggle of each mortal to make his / her way to Olympus, among the Immortal Ones. Hercules is the ultimate symbol for all Hellenes of the past and the present. No, we do not believe in METEMPSYCHOSIS (Re-incarnation) suffering or prospering in this life to pay for or be rewarded for the bad or good actions of previous lives, but instead simply in PALIGENESIA (Rebirth). This perspective distinguishes us from the theocratic dogmas that terrify their believers with "punishments" e.t.c. We love or hate completely outside the Judeo-Christian or karmic designs and dualisms. No dualism of "Good and Evil" exists in the Immortal Cosmos, nor such things as the miscellaneous "moralities" that all the dualistic dogmas spread among humanity. We become virtuous only because we choose to be such.

Our Gods are many and we understand them as completing the make-up of the Universal Sphere of Cosmos to its maximum potential and whole. Thus, from the DODEKAEDRON, a geometric shape (that fills up the sphere to its maximum) we imagine twelve planes, each one presenting a God inside the Cosmos and we define our Hellenic PANTHEON (PAN TON THEON, All The Gods) as DODEKATHEON (Pantheon of The Twelve Gods).The Twelve Gods of ours live inside the Shpere of Cosmos and form its various behaviors. In the same way, the twelve Zodiacs represent twelve "energies" that reach Earth and live inside the humans and animals, thus forming various behaviors as well.

Our Twelve Gods are also called OLYMPIOI (the Olympians) not because, as many want to believe, they.. dwell on Mt. Olympus, as the mountains with this name numbered not one but eighteen throughout the Hellenic World. This is just a poetic conception, similar to the one that wants Pan to dwell in the forests of Arcadia. The word "Olympus" comes from the verb LAMPO (shining). Our Twelve Gods are the "Shining Ones", and the real "Olympus" is not a geographical but a spiritual place, where the Gods really exist.

Another fact worth noting is that these Twelve Gods are not the same Twelve Gods for all Hellenes as some leave Dionysos out, some leave Hestia, etc., replacing them with others. It is the number that counts, not the names of the Gods which in any case number in the thousands- and we must underline here that Hellenism honors and worships not only conscious forces and energies of Nature (as almost all Pagan religions do) but also abstract Ideas, such as Harmony, Eunomia (personified Order), Justice, Freedom, Beauty, Luck, etc. For us, the Ideas are alive and have form and consciousness; they are real deities that simply show themselves through the functions of the human mind.

A basic ("for beginners") form of invocation of the Twelve Olympian Gods, a Pantheon that was worshiped at least since the 16th Century before the Judeo-Christian Era (they are named U-ru-pa-ja-jo in the Linear B inscription of Pylos), and openly until the 9th Century of our times (when the last remains of worship of the ethnic Hellenic Gods were exterminated in Lakonia, under the persecutions by "Saint" Nikon the so-called "Metanoite" i.e. "Repent") is the following:

(The Gods are being invoked in "couples" according to the elements and functions that each "couple" supervises).

* Hestia (the power or denization and of common ethos: all invocations start with her named first: " AF’ HESTIA"
* The honored God or Goddess of the hellenic lunar month
* Hephaistos - Hestia (alternatively: Hermes - Hestia)
* Ares - Aphrodite
* Apollo - Artemis
* Hermes - Athena (alternatively: Hephaistos - Athena)
* Poseidon - Demeter
* Hera - Zeus

We must emphasize here that the "male" and "female" terms inside the Hellenic Pantheon have nothing to do with the sexism and dualism dwelling in the minds of narrow-minded followers of alien cultures. Our Gods have no genitals. The existence of six Gods and six Goddesses inside the Hellenic Pantheon only serves to declare the total balance of all elements and characteristics inside the Sphere of Cosmos. Understanding the structure, nature and distribution of the Cosmos in this way, Hellenism comes in open opposition to all one-sided and partial dogmas on Cosmos, such as "Monotheism", "Bitheism" e.t.c. Because of this, for centuries now, it has been attacked with all the weapons that the arsenal of its enemies contains, from the burnings and crucifixions by the christianized Romans of Contantinoupolis to the disinformation and slander of the modern servants of the Desert "God" Yahweh (in all their disguises). And it may sound odd, but both we and our enemies know that the power of Hellenism is more than that of a Cosmotheory or of a Religion. It's above all a political and social "how to" theory that means to "haunt" the Every Day Life with its high principles: Dignity, Freedom, Beauty, Honesty, Variety, Tolerance, Candor..

We represent an ethos and a cosmotheory, both deeply admirable, for they never allowed the existence of priestly castes, unquestioning obedience, fear or guilt (Hellenism knows nothing about the word "sin"), dogma, missions, or "sacred" books. We are fighting for the Hellenic Dignity in a country totally dominated by an alien culture and cosmotheory, inside a world which is totally dominated by an alien culture and cosmotheory. We speak a language in which most of its deep meanings are impossible to translate into the widely spoken languages of today, a language that almost nobody can understand (nobody outside Greece can read our journal and books). From a strictly "strategic" perspective, we appear almost insane or, at least, "defeated in advance". But we know that we tread the correct path and that the Gods support us. Just by existing we win !

We are the revenge of the Ancient Psyche. We call into question almost every thought and act of this dying world enslaved to the Desert "God" Yahweh, almost every single behavior. And we are in full solidarity with all groups and movements all around the Globe, which work for the restoration of their traditional / indigenous ethos and religions, and also with all the others which fight the multi-faceted war for Freedom, Tolerance, Respect for Nature and Direct Democracy in all levels of Every Day Life.



A Definition of Polytheism
(Scroll Of Oplontis, 1991)


The word "Polytheism" is derived from the Greek words POLY (many) and THEOS (God) and means "worship of many Gods". Polytheism is therefore defined as a belief in the existence of many Gods. It is the idea that there are many divine powers. It is the idea that divinity ultimately resides in many separate entities or beings.

There are many Gods and Goddesses. The Gods are the greatest and most powerful beings. They are wise and just. They are immortal. They are worthy of respect and adoration.

The Gods have many forms and they can reveal themselves in many ways. They are both immanent and transcendent. They are present in the elements and forms of Being. They are manifest in the forces of Nature, in matter and energy, but they are also transcendent beings not bound by any material form. The Gods can reveal themselves within the human or other beings, as plants or animals, or as material objects. There are no limits of form or being upon the Gods an Goddesses. They are what they choose to be.

Divinity is multiple and various, both in appearance and in reality. No single God or Goddess hides behind all the multitude of divine forms. The Gods and Goddesses are objectively real entities whose existence is not dependent upon the beliefs or actions of lesser beings. They are not archetypes. They are not imaginary symbols of human activity or of the human mind. They are not symbolic representations of natural events and processes.

The Gods and Goddesses are real. They exist. Their wisdom and power give shape to this World, to this certain form of Cosmos. Their beauty and grace will last forever.

The Gods and Goddesses are free and independent beings. They are equally divine. They are not controlled by any other entity or power.

The Gods and Goddesses are pleased when lesser beings FREELY acknowledge their existence and offer them respect and worship. They do not though need or require this acknowledgment. The all powerful Gods and Goddesses need nothing. They simply form whatever they desire.



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Post by Simply Joel » Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:54 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Jesus didn't believe in idoltry, but we made him onto one!

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have you got a frog in your pocket???

i hereby, through this diatribe, exclude myself from the noun "we" in AZ's quote above.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:07 am

Simply Joel wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Jesus didn't believe in idoltry, but we made him onto one!

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have you got a frog in your pocket???

i hereby, through this diatribe, exclude myself from the noun "we" in AZ's quote above.
You are hereby excluded. I should also exclude myself.

It was society. Society is the Rapist!

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Post by Wind_Borne » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:14 am

Kresphontis on behalf of Diipetes wrote: Hellenism... is a strong adversary of the so-called "Monotheism" and this not only due to its being the most well-documented of the ancient polytheistic nature-Religions, but also because it is the cultural product of a civilization much higher -on all levels- than the one which created and spread the worship of a Desert "God" throughout the world.
Ah, the very hubris that figures so prominently in Greek tradgedies!
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Post by Wind_Borne » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:23 am

If you wish to know how many gods there are, count the water in ocean.
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Post by cowboyangel » Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:16 am

Now I know for sure there is a God in Heaven because Edwards said "Yes"
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Post by samtzu » Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:23 pm

Cowboy Angel wrote:
Now I know for sure there is a God in Heaven because Edwards said "Yes"
Yes... and that rumbling sound you hear is not thunder... Its God beating His head against His desk...

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:26 pm

I have followed judeo-christians beliefs, learn about Budism and Hinduism. Transcendentalism, metaphysics, New Age and many more religious beliefs. But I have always had thoughts and feelings that couldn't be explain. Some rational some were just hunches, but after reading essays and books on Hellenism, I seem to have found something that was right on to what I had always felt.

My above posting of the Diipetes has let me know that those thoughts weren't just something that I alone has felt, like maybe it was an instinctive thought that thousands or perhaps hundred of thousand generation have felt and practised.

I hope that many of you have formed this connection with your ancestor's religion.

They aren't complete answers, but they do open doors that can lead to a more understanding of why we are what we are. its just too bad that there are religions that have put down this higher conscienceness form of thinking.

Time is a spiral not a circle- that's cool! I hate going around in a circle or talking to sock puppets!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:27 pm

[quote=Stuart (from the "Lets make BM a Hate Free Zone"]dude, I gotta tell ya, I see you bag on the christians and then go on about your super space, disease immune, psychic communicatin', galaxy hopin' gods. From where I am sitting, the whole lot of it looks like only so much scientology to me.

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Stuart- it's all derived from Hellenic Religion. we believe that Zeus and the gods came from the stars. The Scientology people came up with it later or perhaps copied it from us. What you read in the books about our Gods are derived from very old and limited sources that have survived the christian burnings, not what Hellenism had evolved to. We were New Age before New Age was hip- actually before 9,000bc is when the first Gods appeared like Zeus and Apollo finally overthrowing the older Titan worshipers around 3-2,000bc.

And I don't hate christians, I just want them to know what the truth is of their past so they can move on and accept the ethnic religions of our and their ancestors as not some evil pagan god worshipers. No one got down on their practice until they became some religeous terrorist group (much like the caliphates of Islam and El Qaeda) in the 1st century and started their burnings. We would never do to them what they did to us. It is not our way. Intelligence, understanding, rationalizations and control of emotions like anger and hate, forming the perfect hero, Perseus, and to ascent (evolve) from those emotions like Heracles to be god like. Read the "Gods" thread there's a good summation there. But we are not New Age.

We appreciation eastern, wiccan, jewish and other mysticisms but we don't believe in magic. Gods have their powers, but humans don't and are mortal beings. We cannot and aren't to be empowered with those powers because we are inferior to understand and use the powers wisely. Power corrupts and it corrupts fully. Mystics want to change the weather without knowing that if you change the weather here what seems positive, it will effect somewhere else negatively. Best let the weather be.

You know, I have people here thinking that I belong to a new age group, called Church Universal Triumvirate (CUT). I tell them I believe in Heracles and they think I believe in the Ascented Masters of CUT. You might have heard of them, Jesus, Gandi, Mohammed, Moses and more. Gee, I thought Jesus was already a God and therefore didn't need to be ascented, but that is not my religion.

We don't believe in Karma of what most people think that it is. After you die you don't take your bad vibes with you anymore then a mentally handicaped person takes his handicaped physiology with him. A Killer or even a Hitler is a product of their enviroment. Like Babies born with defects. Their soul's become pure and are reborn again perhaps as a one cell bacteria or a slug, but we may all be needed as a bacteria or a slug on a planet that we are needed to create life and its evolutionary forms.

Scientology just rediscovered what we knew or thought in a parallel-evolutionary formation of religion. We too are a wholistic religion. but we were just doing it before christianity brought the dark ages.

Thank you Stuart.

I will post the Scientology explaination in the Gods thread if you don't mind stuart.

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PS- I forgot to include "Rationalization" as a way of understanding the world around us. Well how do you "Rationalize" the Gods?

You don't! But they have been felt! I and others have prayed to them and they have come, that is how we know.

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The Sun RA, is the source of all life. Purusha the first one

Post by chickenfish » Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:39 pm

Horus was of Virgin Birth, His mother Isis, was impregnated when Osiris was raised from the dead and reassembled through the magic of Isis, in doing so, his Penis (IE: his generative organ) was missing. Isis crafted one from tha Acacia tree which grew on the spot where Osiris had washed ashore on the side of the nile. Osiris had been chopped into 14 pieces by his evil brother set, who was jealous because their father RA had promised the Kingdom of earth to his brother Osiris and not to him.
God is everywhere. God is everything. There is nothing that is not god.
In Hindi Theology, in the beginning there was One(alpha). This one was called Vastu-Purusha, the first being. S/He was loneley, for S/he was all there was. To battle this loneliness vastu-purusha split herself into millions of bits, creating the universe. Then there was a myriad of things and qualities, wetness, dryness, water, air and fire. This was the beginning of the great forgetting, in which Purusha had to forget her unity in order to appreciate her multiplicity, for relationships to exist in space and time. The many different aspects of Purusha came to be worshipped unto themselves, as deities in the pantheon of gods. But it is know alwways that all of these components, including ourselves, make up the one. We achieve empowerment by recognizing the facets of these different aspects of the sacred within ourselves. God looks though our eyes, for we are all within and a part of god, for god is the universe. Even the chickenfish.
chickenfish chickenfish you are not a pelican
chickenfish chickenfish your love is like a flea
chickenfish chickenfish your fins are so delicate
chickenfish chickenfish chicken of the sea

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Post by cowboyangel » Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:07 pm

Amen. chickenfish is god too
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:13 pm

What came first.

The Chicken or the Fish?

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Post by cowboyangel » Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:30 pm

the zygote
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Post by samtzu » Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:54 am

The Thought...
The revolutionary does not grow up because he cannot grow, while the creative individual cannot grow up because he keeps growing ~~ Eric Hoffer

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Post by Lark » Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:01 am

The FishNugget...

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Post by Tancorix » Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:38 am

93.

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Post by cowboyangel » Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:13 am

42?
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Post by chickenfish » Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:13 am

23.Fnord.
chickenfish chickenfish you are not a pelican
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chickenfish chickenfish your fins are so delicate
chickenfish chickenfish chicken of the sea

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Post by samtzu » Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:18 pm

I'm sorry, but all the fnords have left the building...
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Post by chickenfish » Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:25 pm

That parrot is pining for the fnords
chickenfish chickenfish you are not a pelican
chickenfish chickenfish your love is like a flea
chickenfish chickenfish your fins are so delicate
chickenfish chickenfish chicken of the sea

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Post by samtzu » Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:31 pm

Ahh... that stunning Norwegian Blue?
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Post by chickenfish » Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:35 pm

That guy who sold me the damn dead bird never wanted to be a pet store sales man...he wanted to be.... he wanted to be......
chickenfish chickenfish you are not a pelican
chickenfish chickenfish your love is like a flea
chickenfish chickenfish your fins are so delicate
chickenfish chickenfish chicken of the sea

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:29 pm

a.... a.....a....
Lumberjack?


Leaping from tree to tree?

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Post by chickenfish » Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:33 pm

he chops down trees, he eats his lunch, he goes to the lavatory....
on wednesdays he goes shopping, and has buttered scones for tea!
chickenfish chickenfish you are not a pelican
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chickenfish chickenfish chicken of the sea

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Post by Rian Jackson » Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:37 pm

'i'm a chickenfish, and i'm ok,
i fly all night and i swim all day!'


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