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No such thing as a god and life ends when you die?
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No such thing as a god and life ends when you die?
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There is such an entity as a God, but only one and you don't die but live in eternal bliss in heaven or burn in hell?
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There is such an entity as a God, but only one and you don't die but live in eternal bliss in heaven or burn in hell?
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There are many gods and you don't die but continue in alternate cycles of the spirit world and the matierial world?
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There are many gods and you don't die but continue in alternate cycles of the spirit world and the matierial world?
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Post by chickenfish » Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:41 pm

I scratch my fleas, I pant and hump
I like to press wild flowers
I put on chickens clothing
and hang around in bars!
chickenfish chickenfish you are not a pelican
chickenfish chickenfish your love is like a flea
chickenfish chickenfish your fins are so delicate
chickenfish chickenfish chicken of the sea

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:20 pm

As I was saying in the "sexual fantasy" thread was that all messianic religions are based upon a slave or oppressed society is which is based upon someone else coming to save and free the oppressed.

You must make the changes! You must empower yourselves and take control of the world around you. You can't wait for the Gods to do it for you. Or you will wait forever when the messiah is within YOU!

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PS- Jesus was here! How what you going to do for yerself!

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Post by Rian Jackson » Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:06 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:As I was saying in the "sexual fantasy" thread was that all messianic religions are based upon a slave or oppressed society is which is based upon someone else coming to save and free the oppressed.

You must make the changes! You must empower yourselves and take control of the world around you. You can't wait for the Gods to do it for you. Or you will wait forever when the messiah is within YOU!

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PS- Jesus was here! How what you going to do for yerself!
That's one of my big digs with most religions. People sit around waiting 'cause god is supposed to make it all better. Meanwhile other folks suffer. Of course, it's usually the rich and powerful that are doing most of the waiting and the poor and not-so-powerful who are doing most of the suffering.

Though charity is a big part of a lot of religions, some of the religious rhetoric just enforces the status quo of power imbalances in this world. Big surprise there, considering most religions' history toward women or anyone of another religion/ culture.

I guess so long as you pray enough you get enough brownie points to get to heaven. Even more if you get someone else to have the same priorities.

Sorry. Maybe that wasn't fair. But, since maybe it was, i'm gonna post it anyway!
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:48 pm

Rian Jackson wrote: That's one of my big digs with most religions. People sit around waiting 'cause god is supposed to make it all better. Meanwhile other folks suffer. Of course, it's usually the rich and powerful that are doing most of the waiting and the poor and not-so-powerful who are doing most of the suffering.

Though charity is a big part of a lot of religions, some of the religious rhetoric just enforces the status quo of power imbalances in this world. Big surprise there, considering most religions' history toward women or anyone of another religion/ culture.
"People sit around waiting 'cause god is supposed to make it all better."

That's after the Apocalypse!

Right On Rian! Charity is just an excuse for not feeling too bad about those that suffer. Isn't charity suppose to alleviate temporarily a condition until that condition is permanantly corrected? There will always some imbalance
especially when there are the "Have Mores" and the "Have Alot Mores!" that really don't give a damn unless their stocks are doing well and cheap energy is available

Ansel Adams, a past director of the Sierra Club and major supporter of the Wilderness Society, had a great perpective of the Christian Fundamentalist right in our government. He was a major motivator of removing Regan's Secretary of the Interior, James Watt, and helped start the "Stop Watt!" movement. It was Watt's christian belief that we might as well use up all our natural resources now since the Apocalypse could come at anytime. So damn the conservationists and CAFE! Drill like there's no end to the oil well!

The Gods are watching and if we continue to evolve, then the apocalypse will be avoided, but we must be ready to face, understand and solve problems before they occure. If we continue to be ignorant of problems that we can clearly predict then this will lead to our destruction and no God will shed a tear in our defeat. Mightier species then us have roamed in this universe only to fail by the same challenges that we someday will face. Sadly xenophobia and religious intolerance are just a few of those problems that every intelligent species must overcome, but then again many fail.

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Post by nipples » Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:08 am

I've never seen a "poor" man not happy with what he has.

Seen lots of "rich" men wanting more than that.

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"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

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Simply Joel wrote:"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

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I'll trade you my bible for Opium any day, Joel!

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Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
Simply Joel wrote:"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

Karl Marx
I'll trade you my bible for Opium any day, Joel!

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you should have been there in '01.

I recall Bill Murray's character in "The Razor's Edge"... a scene where he has travelled to Nepal with a copy of the Upanishad... he is sitting there freezing, trying to start a fire... looks over to the book and begins tearing it apart, placing it into the fire...

that is what I see the bible good for.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:44 pm

Today after four years, most of the greatist athletes of the world once again come together after four years to honor Zeus and world peace!

Who will be the first to break that vow of peace!


Olympians of the Ancient World-

Milo of Kroton

* Wrestler
* Six-time Olympic victor:
o Won once in boys' wrestling, 60th Olympiad, 540 BCE
o five-time wrestling champion from 62nd to 66th Olympiad, 532 to 516 BCE

The most illustrious of athletes... Strabo, Geography, 6.1.12

It is no great thing to possess strength, whatever kind it is, but to use it as one should. For of what advantage to Milo of Kroton was his enormous strength of body?... Diodorus Siculus, Historical Library, 9.14.1

One of the most legendary athletes in the ancient world, Milo of Kroton, wore the victor's crown at Olympia no less than six times. Born in southern Italy, where Greece had many colonies, Milo won the boys' wrestling contest in 540 BCE.

He returned eight years later to win the first of five consecutive wrestling titles, a feat that seems incredible by modern standards. Rarely do modern-day Olympians compete in more than two or three Olympiads over the course of a career. Much like the boxer George Foreman, Milo resisted retirement: By the time of the 67th Olympiad in 512 BCE, Milo was probably forty or more years old but he competed anyhow. The challenger won not by overpowering Milo, but by avoiding the older wrestler and wearing him out.

According to our ancient sources, Milo enjoyed showing off his unrivaled strength. For instance, he would clasp a pomegranate in his hand and have others try to take it away from him. Even though he was holding it so tightly that no one could remove it, he never damaged the fruit. Sometimes, he would stand on a greased iron disk and challenge others to push him off of it. Another of his favorite exhibitions was tying a cord around his forehead, holding his breath, and breaking the cord with his bulging forehead veins. Other times, the wrestler would stand with his right arm at his side, his elbow against him, and hold out his hand with thumb pointed upwards and fingers spread. No one could successfully bend even his little finger.

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Stone of the weight lifter Bybon with inscription "Bybon son of Phola (?), has lifted me over [his] head with one hand." 316 lbs., sandstone. Early 6th century BC.
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Milo excelled even in warfare. When a neighboring town attacked Kroton, Milo entered the battle wearing his Olympic crowns and dressed like Herakles, in lion's skin and brandishing a club, and led his fellow citizens to victory.

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A follower of the famous philosopher Pythagoras, Milo once saved his friends. It happened that the roof of the hall where the Pythagoreans were meeting began to collapse. Milo stood and supported the central pillar until the others escaped to safety and then dashed out, saving himself.

In the end, however, all of this fame and strength did not save Milo from a less than glorious death. Milo was wandering through the forest when he found an old tree trunk with wedges inserted into it. In an attempt to test his strength, Milo placed his hands and, perhaps his feet, into the cleft of the trunk and tried to split apart the wood. He succeeded in loosening the wedges, which fell out, but the trunk closed on his hands, trapping him. There, according to the tale, he fell prey to wild beasts.

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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:09 pm

We've outdone the fuckin Romans with our show of security at the "Games"
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:38 am

Who will break the truce of peace. Why it is US.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_ar ... 2004_46011

US denies breach of Games truce

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States said yesterday its military operations in Iraq are not covered by the so-called Olympic Truce it signed last year at the United Nations.

The State Department said US soldiers now fighting in Iraq would not be bound by the terms of the truce that calls for all nations in conflict to observe a traditional ceasefire during the Games.

“I reject the notion that somehow we are violating any Olympic principles by what’s going on in Iraq,” deputy spokesman Adam Ereli said. “I don’t think there’s a connection between the truce and what’s going on in Iraq.” On November 3, 2003, the United States was among 190 of 191 UN General Assembly members to co-sponsor and adopt a Greek-submitted resolution titled “Building a Peaceful and Better World Through Sport and the Olympic Ideals,” the key component of which was the truce.

The resolution “urges the member states to observe, within the framework of the Charter of the United Nations, the Olympic Truce, individually and collectively, during the Games of the XXVIII Olympiad.” Perhaps ironically, the US ambassador to the United Nations at the time was John Negroponte who is now Washington’s top diplomat in Iraq, the lone UN member not to sign the truce because it was then under a US-led occupation government and not represented at the world body.

Shortly after the resolution was adopted, UN chief Kofi Annan said the truce was a “powerful message” for all combatants to cease fighting and think about peace, even if hostilities stopped for only 24 hours.

AS if I didn't know who it would be.

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Post by Steven bradford » Sun Aug 15, 2004 1:09 am

Far too many of our religions sum up as: "My invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend."
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:36 am

Steven bradford wrote:Far too many of our religions sum up as: "My invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend."
Beware!

What you can't see can hurt you.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:54 am

Steven bradford wrote:Far too many of our religions sum up as: "My invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend."
Even amongst Gods there is a hierarchy, though their evilness is not what ourselves can be called evil.

Afer the Jews, became a monotheistic religion and selected only one of many gods that they once had, including Zeus, Apollo and Gods of their region. It was those Gods too, that had protected them and cared for their ancestors for as long as they became. After that, then a great drought came causing much famine and disease forcing them to leave their part of the great Fertile Crescent for Egypt and a string of events have plagued them ever since right unto this day.

This same effect was brought upon the Romans after they too gave up their pantheon of Gods and a great empire was lost.

Perhaps someday the Jews will realize their mistake as many Italians
and Greek have done so.

So, I say Beware!

What you can't see can hurt you.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:55 am

Steven bradford wrote:Far too many of our religions sum up as: "My invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend."
Even amongst Gods there is a hierarchy, though their evilness is not what ourselves can be called evil.

Afer the Jews, became a monotheistic religion and selected only one of many gods that they once had, including Zeus, Apollo and Gods of their region. It was those Gods too, that had protected them and cared for their ancestors for as long as they became. After that, then a great drought came causing much famine and disease forcing them to leave their part of the great Fertile Crescent for Egypt and a string of events have plagued them ever since right unto this day.

This same effect was brought upon the Romans after they too gave up their pantheon of Gods and a great empire was lost.

Perhaps someday the Jews will realize their mistake as many Italians
and Greek have done so.

So, I say Beware!

What you can't see can hurt you.

Honor thy Ancestors!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:37 pm

Sorry for that double, maybe triple post, But the server made me do!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:29 am

NYTIMES
By SUSAN SACHS

Published: August 17, 2004

Athens 2004

The ancient site of the Games is far from Mount Olympus, from where Zeus is supposed to have thrown a lightning bolt to mark Olympia as a holy spot. Tourists passed through the entrance to the ancient stadium.

OLYMPIA, Greece - Until the original Olympics were banned as a pagan event some 1,600 years ago, naked male athletes gathered every four years on the bone-dry plain here to sprint, grapple and heave javelins in the most famous sporting competition of the ancient world.

Not much remains from those glory days but ruins: ridged columns felled by earthquakes, the stone outline of a temple to Zeus, the judges' marble box seats and the stone starting line for foot races. But on these ruins - not in the floodlighted stadiums of modern Athens - the Olympics will really return home on Aug. 18.

Olympia was host to the original Games, a much different affair from the 21st-century pageant of sport and commerce in Athens, 190 miles to the northeast. Athletes then raced chariots, not bicycles. They slathered on olive oil instead of slipping on spandex. There were no medals, just olive wreaths.

To recapture a bit of that long-ago flavor, the organizers of this year's Olympics in Athens will stage one sporting event in Olympia. The men's and women's shot-put competition will be held on the old packed-dirt field where the fleet-footed Leonidas of Rhodes wowed audiences in the first century B.C.

The choice of shot put was more about pragmatism than historical accuracy. The sport was not part of the ancient Games and its roots are Celtic, not Mediterranean. It was selected, officials said, as the outdoor sport least likely to damage the protected archaeological site. The field is 631 feet long, while the men's shot-put record is just under 76 feet and the women's record is just over 74 feet.

While the sporting event may not be authentic, the organizers are trying to keep the atmosphere somewhat in the spirit of the Games of antiquity. No bleachers will be provided; spectators are supposed to sit on the grassy slopes around the field. No electrical lines will be put in. There will be no floodlights, no banners and no advertising from sponsors like McDonald's, at least inside the ancient stadium area.

"We wanted to keep it simple," said Sophia Hassapis, a spokeswoman for the Athens Olympic planners. ''People will sit on the ground because we want to maintain the originality of the site. The ceremony will be as simple as possible."

One major convention will be broken, of course. The original Olympic Games were a men-boys-and-horses-only affair, according to most histories of the event. Pausanias, a second-century Greek travel writer, was quite emphatic on that point. Any woman found at the Olympic Games, he wrote, was to be thrown off a high cliff.

Relying on similar contemporaneous accounts, historians now describe the early Olympics as part religious pilgrimage and part bacchanal, a five-day celebration of individual prowess that drew tens of thousands of spectators from across the Hellenic world.

Legend has it that Olympia was chosen as a holy spot by the god Zeus, who marked it with a lightning bolt thrown from Mount Olympus, which, contrary to what many foreigners think, is actually far away from Olympia, in northern Greece.

In any case, Zeus was undoubtedly worshipped in Olympia. At the start of the Games, athletes were ushered into a flame-lit temple to pay their respects to his mammoth gold and ivory statue. It was considered one of antiquity's Seven Wonders of the World.

The original Games were held every four years without interruption for almost 1,200 years, according to historians. The last competition at Olympia is believed to have taken place in the late fourth century, around the time that the Roman emperors outlawed pagan cults and ordered all the old pre-Christian temples in the eastern Mediterranean destroyed.

Olympia sank into oblivion. Invaders from the east wreaked destruction, as did a wave of natural disasters. Floods, landslides and earthquakes reduced Olympia to piles of rubble, which local people plundered and picked at for centuries.

All that remained was the incessant roar of Olympia's cicadas, which made such a racket that the priests of Zeus's temple used to complain about it in their diaries. The relentless roar of the insects still echoes off the ruins.

The sporting grounds were rediscovered in the mid-18th century and excavated 100 years later. Baron Pierre de Coubertin, a French nobleman who has become a revered icon of the modern Olympic movement, was captivated by the unearthed ruins and organized the revival of the Games in Athens in 1896.

The baron literally gave his heart to the modern Olympics. His body was buried in Paris. But his heart, at his request, was sent to Olympia, where it was placed in a marble vase and buried at the foot of a white marble pillar that can now be found on a hill above the ancient stadium.

It should be noted that his was not the only posthumous contribution to the Greek sporting tradition. Evaggelos Zappas, a 19th-century philanthropist who financed the restoration of the ancient Panathenaic stadium in Athens where the Olympic archery contests are being held, willed his skull to the city fathers. They installed it somewhere inside a building called Zappeion, where the Greek government has set up a press center for the Games.

Such a rich, and bizarre, historical background to the Olympics has naturally inspired this year's Olympians.

John Godina, a strapping 6-foot-4-inch Wyoming native, will be one of the American shot-put competitors at Olympia. "We're privileged because nobody's competed there for a thousand years," he said in a telephone interview from the Olympic Village.

So he is a history buff?

"Nah," responded Mr. Godina, a bronze medalist in the shot-put event at the 2000 Olympics and a silver medalist at the 1996 Games. "Just general Discovery Channel stuff."

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:12 am

Pat Robinson and his christain following visits the Holy Land of the Judeo-christian-Muslim faiths causing great upset from the chistian community of palestine saying that they wish to keep out of the conflict brought upon the region by western and eastern europe Jewery. His endorsement will only provide greater confusion and backlash against all christians the world over.

Pat's interpretation of the torah is also causing a major problem for the jews who don't believe in Jesus as their massiah and his coming as the end of the world.

Pat is a crusader plain and simple. His actions will not help the situation but will lead to further violence. His recent anti-gay bashing shows that this man is not of any God and only wishes to expand his own personal wealth.

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Post by Rian Jackson » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:18 am

missed you, sweetie. welcome back and thanks!
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:49 am

Ahh, shucks Rian your're making me cry.

I'm still one the road from BM doing some photography and marketing of my art.

did some great work in the Mendocino-lost coast area and hope to get into the galleries there.

Oh, by the way here's on of the Pat Robinson's articles:

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Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Ahh, shucks Rian your're making me cry.
I'm still one the road from BM doing some photography and marketing of my art.
did some great work in the Mendocino-lost coast area and hope to get into the galleries there.
Oh, by the way here's on of the Pat Robinson's articles:
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Post by Simply Joel » Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:02 am

speaking of the un-holy...


October 8, 2004
Martha Stewart Reports to Prison
By MARIA NEWMAN

Martha Stewart beat the news media trailing her every move at their own game today by announcing herself that she had checked into prison in West Virginia.

"By the time you read this, I will have reported to a minimum-security prison in Alderson, West Virginia, to begin serving my five-month sentence," Ms. Stewart's Web site, marthatalks.com, said, even as the usual swarm of satellite trucks, cameras and reporters poised to go live gathered before dawn in hopes of catching Ms. Stewart slip behind bars.

Martha Stewart, the woman who had made a fortune by advising others to emulate her lifestyle, and whose every move has been scrutinized since she was convicted in March about lying about a stock trade, had somehow managed to enter a new stage of her life without everyone watching.

Ms. Stewart will now be known as prisoner No. 55170-054, according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which confirmed that she arrived at the prison at 6:15 a.m.

Ms. Stewart, 63, was found guilty of conspiracy, making false statements and obstruction of agency proceedings, all from the sale on Dec. 27, 2001 of stock in biotech company ImClone Systems Inc.

She was sentenced to a five-month sentence at the federal women's prison in Alderson, West Virginia, an institution known locally as "Camp Cupcake." She is appealing her conviction, but decided to begin serving her sentence even as the appeals process moves forward.

"As I announced in September, although my lawyers remain very confident in the strength of my appeal will continue to pursue it on my behalf, I have decided to serve my sentence now because I want to put this nightmare behind me as quickly as possible for the good of my family and my company," Ms. Stewart's Web site message continued.

The little town of Alderson had been inundated with news trucks and reporters lying in wait for Ms. Stewart, who had a 2 p.m. deadline for reporting to the prison. But they didn't get the unobstructed photo-op moment they were hoping for. There was this from CNN's Deborah Feyerick:

"There was a great sense of anticipation on the drive in this morning at around 5:15," she reported. "There were state troopers lined up at various points along the road to make sure that nobody interfered with her access to the prison.

"A source told us earlier that she was really advised to arrive before 2:00 so as to cause the least amount of disruption to the prison. But when she arrived — and this is very interesting — there are dozens of photographers lined up all along the road, all of them were shooting every car that entered, expecting that in one of those cars was Martha Stewart."

"And even though everyone was shooting away, she managed to come in, nobody getting a clear picture," she continued. "Everybody now scrambling to check their videotapes to see if, in fact, there is some sort of an image of her in what we believe was a tan van."

Ms. Stewart's company, Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia, will continue in her absence, but company officials have made clear that she will resume an important role when she returns.

Last month, company officials said Ms. Stewart would be featured in a prime-time reality show produced by Mark Burnett, creator of "Survivor." Once she leaves prison, according to a contract she signed, her company will pay her at least $900,000 a year and she will have the titles of founder, chief editorial director and media director.

In a statement, the company called itself "grateful for the closure that Martha's decision to serve provides the company."

Ms. Stewart has always succeeded by assuming the good taste and cultured manners of her audience. As if continuing to nurture those sentiments on her Web site notice, perhaps the last one for a while, Ms. Stewart soothingly tells readers that they have not heard the last of her.

"While I am away, my updates here will be less frequent, if not altogether impossible," she writes. "But please know this change is only an unfortunate reflection of my current circumstances, and in no way diminishes my commitment to my life's work or to the friends, colleagues, customers and supporters who make it possible."

And she ends on this note: "With your good wishes in my heart, I am looking forward to being back at work in March, and to many brighter days ahead."

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Post by geekster » Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:38 pm

Yeah, but the only buildings destroyed in those counties were those of people who voted Gore in 2000.


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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:41 pm

If that had happened that would really be a mixed message!

hehehe!

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:59 pm

I used to get so damn offended back in the 80s when out of state idiots would come to San Francisco on Hollowe'en and perform exorcisms or when we'd have a quake and they'd say it was god's judgement. I've been waiting for someone to say that about the hurricanes.
And then there's "Tornado Alley."

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:57 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:I used to get so damn offended back in the 80s when out of state idiots would come to San Francisco on Hollowe'en and perform exorcisms or when we'd have a quake and they'd say it was god's judgement. I've been waiting for someone to say that about the hurricanes.
And then there's "Tornado Alley."
So what do you think now?

I didn't make it up. These Hurricane tracks are real.

I just don't want to visit florida for a long time if shrub gets back into office. Maybe I might just leave the USA for an extended trip if he does just to be on the safe side.

Heck I might just go back to sicily and greece and enjoy the fireworks from there.

If this bush gets back in I have some serious doubts about Prometheus's creation.

As you know, he used deception and lies to fool Zeus into allow mankind to exist.

And we inherited his deceptive traits.

Will we burn sooner then later?

only the faiths know for sure

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Post by samtzu » Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:20 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:I used to get so damn offended back in the 80s when out of state idiots would come to San Francisco on Hollowe'en and perform exorcisms or when we'd have a quake and they'd say it was god's judgement. I've been waiting for someone to say that about the hurricanes.
And then there's "Tornado Alley."
Yeah, I moved from the Sierra Nevada and escaped the forest fires, but up here in Oregon the damn rocks catch on fire... (alright, St. Helen's is in Washington... big deal)

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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:37 pm

samtzu wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:I used to get so damn offended back in the 80s when out of state idiots would come to San Francisco on Hollowe'en and perform exorcisms or when we'd have a quake and they'd say it was god's judgement. I've been waiting for someone to say that about the hurricanes.
And then there's "Tornado Alley."
Yeah, I moved from the Sierra Nevada and escaped the forest fires, but up here in Oregon the damn rocks catch on fire... (alright, St. Helen's is in Washington... big deal)
Think "Cascades." We really have to rationalize borders around watersheds and other natural features anyway. (Meaning that the playa will be its own pocket universe.)
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Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

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