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Postby Ugly Dougly » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:42 pm

The Malthusian Burner Program: "This way to the Egress".

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Postby theCryptofishist » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:52 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:"oh hell, ANYONE will do it if told to do so....so therefore, they were just following orders..."
Interestingly, or not, the guy who did the Stanford Prison experiement published a book on it in the past year or two. He testified for the defense at one Abu Graib trial, and you could see it as an excuse for the soldier or as an inditement of the higher ups and how they set up a situation (knowingly or not) that was very likely going to go rotten in that way.

I'm not sure if i finished the book or not. I think Zimbardo was pretty honest about what happened, but it's hard to say.

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:33 am

ok, here's my thing with Zimbardo, Mephistophelian Hair and Beard aside, lets look at from whence he came. Every time i go to the "Thin Stick" i get this uneasy feeling, and it's not the waffle cakes from not-so great America, either, but a certain hidden malignant undercurrent exists at stanford, like one of the centers of blind, and almost always corrupted, science.

Brookhaven comes to mind, as well as Sandia.

the research or the researchers may think what they are working on is going to somehow benefit Mankind, otherwise they would'nt do it, Right?

one would hope morals and ethics would somehow influence the Blind Force that is Science and Progress, temper the sharp sword that technology can do, and be.

The problem is, History has shown us this is not the case, and whether you use the Tuskegee Trials as an example, or Dr. Mengele as one of the worst and most heinous, one could say he was the Evil GrandFather of genetics in the same cold, scientific breath.

(shudder)


Now, back to Stanford....

Long associated with all kinds of wonderful DARPA research, as well as the ever increasing field of brain, cognitive science meets Big Pharma money Teat suckling, Stanford, as well as Harvard, and the University of Rochester, MIT, Cal-Tech, U of Chicago, have all participated in what most people would consider dangerous and harmful research for the Military, specifically, and at the bequest of our Government.

Zimbardo is a part of that Kultur, and he knows it.

Is he an Albert Speer? A man who makes a faustian bargain to pursue his Artistic or Intellectual Dreams, no expense spared, except your soul.


i question a man's integrity when he has a serious issue with Grecian Formula.

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:48 am

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Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:48 pm

You forgot the Hoover Institute. Nature abhors a vacuum.

Of course, we have Stanfordians on this very board...
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:55 am

Of course, we have Stanfordians on this very board...



"pshaw"


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Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:30 am

You can always tell a Harvard man.






























But you can't tell him much.
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Postby dr.placebo » Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:55 am

Research is nearly always a two-edged sword. As an example, we are using the internet, which is an outgrowth of the Arpanet, which was designed as a communication method that could route around damage (specifically: sites being destroyed by nuclear weapons). The Arpanet was created with funding from ARPA (later DARPA), a research arm of the DoD.

There are a lot of discoveries and inventions related to war that get used for benign purposes, and a lot of peacetime [anyone remember peacetime?] innovations that are used for war. Knowledge has a strong tendency to flow across boundaries.

Full disclosure: I was a grad student at MIT during the 70's, and my education was funded in large part by DoD funding. The outcome was (I think) benign: research into programming languages, fully in the public domain and freely available. But I would be naive to think that there was no influence on software used for military purposes.

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Postby fciron » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:54 am

Holy crap, people!

I brought up the Stanford experiment would lead to jokes about a sub-camp for Stiffy Lube, not a debate about research ethics.

I don't get on this board to learn things. I want sarcasm and reinforcement of my existing beliefs.

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Postby ygmir » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:57 am

fciron wrote:Holy crap, people!

I brought up the Stanford experiment would lead to jokes about a sub-camp for Stiffy Lube, not a debate about research ethics.

I don't get on this board to learn things. I want sarcasm and reinforcement of my existing beliefs.


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Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:32 pm

ha! make your own non-challenging jokes!
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Postby dr.placebo » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:53 pm

Q: Why do so many Hindu deities know when something bad is going to happen?

A: Because four-armed is forewarned.

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Postby fciron » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:06 am

theCryptofishist wrote:ha! make your own non-challenging jokes!


:lol: :lol:

Thanks. That was good.

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:28 am

why wont they let you take crochet needles on an airplane?



the TSA is afraid you'll make an afghan.



hows that for non-challenging?
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:58 pm

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Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:28 am

Our wise masters from the stars will be here soon.

They will, of course, desire a nutritious meal, and will be pleased that we have so many well-marbled humans from which to choose.

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Postby Captain Hazard » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:43 pm

This is an excellent thread. Though that nano-disease article demanded more foil than I have handy - I'll have to send it to someone to get a rigorous professional debunking.

Simon of the Playa, come give a science lecture of some sort at The Time Colony. I'm sure we're all going to visit you :-)

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:10 pm

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Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:54 pm

I'm bored, too, Simon.

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:36 pm

you hun.


you've never even HAD a technogasm, now have you...


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Postby trevkong » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:06 pm

may i propose an official tune?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WstYLyD9vMY

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:35 am

i like this one, but then again, i'm from the east coast, and this is how we do.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDidHzwYu3E[/youtube]
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Postby Elderberry » Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:57 pm

Some interesting links there.

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:22 am

Hey, Give us some "Latitude"....


venture capitalists welcome!!!


who's Googling YOU? and who funded Google to begin with? where did Larry and Serge come up with the Cash?

below is a list of companies founded by, or assisted financially by Sequoia Capital.



Sequoia Capital is CIA front company and it controls 10% of the value of Nasque IT stock index.

Apple Inc. 1 January 1978 Designs and manufactures consumer electronics.

Cisco 14 December 1987 Networking hardware, software, and services.

Joost 21 March 2007 Online TV services.

LinkedIn 7 November 2003 Online network that helps you find and be found by former colleagues.

Mahalo.com 14 December 2006 Human powered search services.

Meebo 15 December 2005 Instant messaging services.

NVIDIA 2 July 1993 Technologies for video cards, graphics cards, notebooks, workstations, and desktop PCs.

Paypal 02 August 1999 Internet payment services.

Google 26 May 1999 Search Engine.

Plaxo 1 March 2002 Address book services.

Yahoo! 5 April 1995 Web Portal.

YouTube 21 October 2005 Hosts user-generated videos.

Gracenote 26 June 2002 Digital media data management software.

Flextronics 29 June 1993 Worldwide electronics design, fabrication, assembly, and test company.

Sequoia Capital

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoia_Capital

Sequoia Capital provided venture capital for the following companies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoia_Capital#Portfolio

http://www.sequoiacap.com/

"The Company" Goes Corporate The CIA's new business model is the world of commerce.

http://www.slate.com/id/2090725/

CIA Front Company Research

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread218672/pg1

Leak of Agent's Name Causes Exposure of CIA Front Firm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

CIA FRONT COMPANIES

http://www.jar2.com/2/Intel/CIA/CIA%20Fronts.htm
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:54 pm

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Postby Oldguy » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:45 pm

" Don't taze me bro! "

Seriously, while working as a contract lab tech at the VA Hospital in Reno, I had to hold a guy"s shoulders down while he was getting electroshock treatment. For reals, it was screwed up. I still dream about this guy twitching under my hands. Lets not mention bodybags...
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:04 am

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/ ... 1320090305


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