Ted Stevens (R-AK) Found GUILTY!!

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:04 pm

Senator Ted Stevens, republican senator running for re-election, was just found guilty of making false statements. What do you guess his chances are for re-election.

I wonder what the final outcome of the Palin investigation will be now. Weren't they (Sarah and her husband) just deposed a couple of days ago?

JK

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:44 pm

Great! Now we can close the Tongass to logging!

on the other hand,

Ted Stevens said after the decision, "I guess now then I'm not going to be the senator from Alaska, I can now go to Burning Man!"

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:28 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Great! Now we can close the Tongass to logging!

on the other hand,

Ted Stevens said after the decision, "I guess now then I'm not going to be the senator from Alaska, I can now go to Burning Man!"

Yuck...do we really want him at BM?

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:43 pm

he should have invested in cattle futures............

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:44 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Great! Now we can close the Tongass to logging!

on the other hand,

Ted Stevens said after the decision, "I guess now then I'm not going to be the senator from Alaska, I can now go to Burning Man!"

how come you don't want to log?

Post by **mdmf007** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:02 pm

even with the drama - Stevens is still incredible popular I am willing to bet that he still wins

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:15 pm

ygmir wrote: how come you don't want to log?

Never not in the tongass rainforest that's why!

And we're going to close all public lands to grazing!

Then close all the Gold mines that use cyanide!

And all those coal fired plants in Nevada that have destroyed the air quality!

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:19 pm

jkisha wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Great! Now we can close the Tongass to logging!

on the other hand,

Ted Stevens said after the decision, "I guess now then I'm not going to be the senator from Alaska, I can now go to Burning Man!"
Yuck...do we really want him at BM?

JK

He needs to get naken and do some acid before he croaks soon.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:30 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
ygmir wrote: how come you don't want to log?
Never not in the tongass rainforest that's why!

And we're going to close all public lands to grazing!

Then close all the Gold mines that use cyanide!

And all those coal fired plants in Nevada that have destroyed the air quality!

Just the Tongass, or, everywhere? Why the tongass?

All public lands, no grazing?

Cyanide? I didn't think they use it much anymore.

I'm always curious about how far someone wants to go to stop things, but, still live as they do?
And, make sure everyone else lives as said person thinks they should.

Just wonderin'............

Post by **mdmf007** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:28 pm

millions of gallons of cyanide are used weekly in some mines.
Go down Cyanide Plant Road outside of Winnemucca - tankers of the stuff is leaving hourly.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:34 pm

ygmir wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
ygmir wrote: how come you don't want to log?
Never not in the tongass rainforest that's why!

And we're going to close all public lands to grazing!

Then close all the Gold mines that use cyanide!

And all those coal fired plants in Nevada that have destroyed the air quality!
Just the Tongass, or, everywhere? Why the tongass?

All public lands, no grazing?

Cyanide? I didn't think they use it much anymore.

I'm always curious about how far someone wants to go to stop things, but, still live as they do?
And, make sure everyone else lives as said person thinks they should.

Just wonderin'............

Just Kiddin'

But the tongass rainforest was the last intact rainforest left and Steven sold it off for pennies a boardfoot. Originally, the logs were shipped to japan as raw cuts instead of being milled here and creating jobs. Now they have to be processed in america.

The tongass is one of those useless wilderness that no one ever used except for a few moose, deer and black bears. Right! Wrong!

At a time of when we need carbon sinks and oxygen, they're priceless!

did anyone notice the new Caution Fog signs on I80 at Battle Mountain. The fog is new and caused by several coal fired plants! Totally fucked up!
Nevada doesn't need them and if they do why didn't they put our finest scrubbers on them. A waste! I don't even visit that section of Nevada, 55mi, so they don't get my tourist bucks! did you know that the second largest geyser basin outside of Yellowstone and fifth largest in the world sits near Battle Mtn- Beowawe.

Oh they are gone too because they drilled it for geothermal energy! Too fucking bad because it could have been one of the biggest attractions on that long road from SLC to Reno 911!

No stops in the Battle Mountain area anymore!

AIIZ

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:43 pm

mdmf007 wrote:millions of gallons of cyanide are used weekly in some mines.
Go down Cyanide Plant Road outside of Winnemucca - tankers of the stuff is leaving hourly.

Are you sure that's cyanide?
I'm not arguing cyanide isn't deadly, but, I also understand it's quite unstable and degrades rapidly in uncontrolled situations.
I'm no chemist, though, but, I'm thinking someone here is.......

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:50 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
ygmir wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote: Never not in the tongass rainforest that's why!

And we're going to close all public lands to grazing!

Then close all the Gold mines that use cyanide!

And all those coal fired plants in Nevada that have destroyed the air quality!
Just the Tongass, or, everywhere? Why the tongass?

All public lands, no grazing?

Cyanide? I didn't think they use it much anymore.

I'm always curious about how far someone wants to go to stop things, but, still live as they do?
And, make sure everyone else lives as said person thinks they should.

Just wonderin'............
Just Kiddin'

But the tongass rainforest was the last intact rainforest left and Steven sold it off for pennies a boardfoot. Originally, the logs were shipped to japan as raw cuts instead of being milled here and creating jobs. Now they have to be processed in america.

The tongass is one of those useless wilderness that no one ever used except for a few moose, deer and black bears. Right! Wrong!

At a time of when we need carbon sinks and oxygen, they're priceless!

did anyone notice the new Caution Fog signs on I80 at Battle Mountain. The fog is new and caused by several coal fired plants! Totally fucked up!
Nevada doesn't need them and if they do why didn't they put our finest scrubbers on them. A waste! I don't even visit that section of Nevada, 55mi, so they don't get my tourist bucks! did you know that the second largest geyser basin outside of Yellowstone and fifth largest in the world sits near Battle Mtn- Beowawe.

Oh they are gone too because they drilled it for geothermal energy! Too fucking bad because it could have been one of the biggest attractions on that long road from SLC to Reno 911!

No stops in the Battle Mountain area anymore!

AIIZ

I don't disagree with keeping some forest pristine, or, as close as possible, and, I resent the hell out of selling the logs at a loss to the Japanese........
I was just wondering your take on it......

I've spent many years and driven many miles of northern Nevada.
I do know it's historically, especially in winter, foggy all along the I80 corridor. And, in freezing, still weather, they get "Pogonip" (sp?), a freezing ice/fog that lays only about 15' deep. you can't see in front of you, but, if you look up, you see blue sky......really sucky driving, but, makes really pretty ice buildup on plants and fences, etc.......

I don't understand the lack of scrubbers on the coal plants there, either. Valmy, the first in the area, was made to supply electricity to Idaho, IIRC. I think a lot of them are on indian land, and, therefore, immune to a lot of the regulation the rest of us are controlled by. I think that's the case with the bad air in the Grand Canyon, too........

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:26 pm

My take on logging!

Logging is fine with me. Trees are recyclable. But I do have a problem with old growth groves, especially when they are cut up for decks, saunas and grand entrances to your ranchettes. Logging on national forest should be for a profit. Subsidies for logging at a loss are a waste of money. They effect the price of boardfeet for private owners of forests undercutting our capitalist society. Its a form of socialism. You would never know how socialist our national forest are as well as our dept of interior. Cattle grazing is the same. Undervaluing the costs affects of private owners that lease their lands.

I laugh when I hear the present mantra of socialism in the election when most western republican politicians support the present welfare for millionaire programs.

Do you know has never been a cost effective logging sale east of the bitterroots or east of the sierra's and cascades that involved extensive road building and maintenence! If I was one of those private land owners, I would he mad as hell if I had to compete with those forms of socialism!

On cyanide, its light combined with water then neutralizes or oxidizes it, But if you want to drink water from a mine polluted stream, be my guest if you want to drink the dissolved heavy metals that are released in the process! Mining may only be environmentally suitable to the arid great basins. We spoke about this issue not too long ago ygmir hopefully this refreshes your memory.

What is your take?

AIIZ

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:41 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:My take on logging!

Logging is fine with me. Trees are recyclable. But I do have a problem with old growth groves, especially when they are cut up for decks, saunas and grand entrances to your ranchettes. Logging on national forest should be for a profit. Subsidies for logging at a loss are a waste of money. They effect the price of boardfeet for private owners of forests undercutting our capitalist society. Its a form of socialism. You would never know how socialist our national forest are as well as our dept of interior. Cattle grazing is the same. Undervaluing the costs affects of private owners that lease their lands.

I laugh when I hear the present mantra of socialism in the election when most western republican politicians support the present welfare for millionaire programs.

Do you know has never been a cost effective logging sale east of the bitterroots or east of the sierra's and cascades that involved extensive road building and maintenence! If I was one of those private land owners, I would he mad as hell if I had to compete with those forms of socialism!

On cyanide, its light combined with water then neutralizes or oxidizes it, But if you want to drink water from a mine polluted stream, be my guest if you want to drink the dissolved heavy metals that are released in the process! Mining may only be environmentally suitable to the arid great basins. We spoke about this issue not too long ago ygmir hopefully this refreshes your memory.

What is your take?

AIIZ

well,
we agree then on logging........you said it well, thanks. I was just wondering.......

And, the cyanide thing.......
Nope, don't want to drink contaminated water.

Please excuse my CRS, not only am I getting older, but, all the fun of the '70 and '80 may be catching up with me.......

I do agree with measured, responsible, and reasonable use, as, it seems you do.....

I sometimes ask questions just to get to know people, too......it's good insight, IMHO.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:22 pm

ygmir wrote:
mdmf007 wrote:millions of gallons of cyanide are used weekly in some mines.
Go down Cyanide Plant Road outside of Winnemucca - tankers of the stuff is leaving hourly.
Are you sure that's cyanide?

Yes

Gold cyanidation (also known as the cyanide process or the MacArthur-Forrest process) is a metallurgical technique for extracting gold from low-grade ore by converting the gold to water soluble aurocyanide metallic complex ions. It is the most commonly used process for gold extraction. Due to the highly poisonous nature of cyanide, the process is highly controversial.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:07 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
ygmir wrote:
mdmf007 wrote:millions of gallons of cyanide are used weekly in some mines.
Go down Cyanide Plant Road outside of Winnemucca - tankers of the stuff is leaving hourly.
Are you sure that's cyanide?
Yes
Gold cyanidation (also known as the cyanide process or the MacArthur-Forrest process) is a metallurgical technique for extracting gold from low-grade ore by converting the gold to water soluble aurocyanide metallic complex ions. It is the most commonly used process for gold extraction. Due to the highly poisonous nature of cyanide, the process is highly controversial.

well, yes, I do know the process and implications.......

But, I understood many of the major mines were using a different chemical cocktail to replace cyanide.......
but, not sure, ergo, my question.......

Post by **mdmf007** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:26 pm

this thread has drifted aways from Ted Stevens id say. lol

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:04 am

mdmf007 wrote:this thread has drifted aways from Ted Stevens id say. lol

Ted who?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:07 am

Ted Stevens.....Ornery Little Piece of Corrupt Shit.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:14 am

Well, I do know that in Nevada the mines tend to leave poisonous leach ponds. I could ask, but I wont get the answer before thursday.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:43 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:Ted Stevens.....Ornery Little Piece of Corrupt Shit.

ooh, that makes him unique in congress..........

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:16 am

Cyanide, what a nasty cocktail...

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0333.html

Personally, i could do without using chemicals to mine ore's. Besides, blowing shit up is wayyy more fun

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:48 am

Sail Man wrote:Cyanide, what a nasty cocktail...

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0333.html

Personally, i could do without using chemicals to mine ore's. Besides, blowing shit up is wayyy more fun

you may want to research mining procedure, especially low grade ores, before making that statement........

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:28 pm

The smartest thing McCain has said in twelve months:

McCain calls for Sen. Ted Stevens to step down

WASHINGTON (AP) â€” Republican presidential candidate John McCain is calling for Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens to step down.

Stevens was convicted Monday on seven felony counts in connection with a corruption case.

In a statement issued Tuesday morning by his campaign, McCain says Stevens has broken his trust with the people and that the long-serving Republican should step down.

McCain said the verdict in Stevens' trial is a sign of the corruption and insider-dealing that he says has become so pervasive in Washington.

Post by **Elderberry** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:32 pm

Too little too late to help his campaign much.

JK

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:50 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Great! Now we can close the Tongass to logging!"

Yeah, nothing like kicking anothe bunch of small town people out of work.
FUCK YOU.

Let them suck cum out of bed sheet for TOUR RATS.
YEAH that don't pay shit.
FUCK YOUR DAY......

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:18 pm

goathead wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Great! Now we can close the Tongass to logging!"
Yeah, nothing like kicking anothe bunch of small town people out of work.
FUCK YOU.

Let them suck cum out of bed sheet for TOUR RATS.
YEAH that don't pay shit.
FUCK YOUR DAY......

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:42 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:Ted Stevens.....Ornery Little Piece of Corrupt Shit.

Makes me wonder when William Jefferson is going to get his?
90,000 in the freezer.
LMAO
Fuck Your Day.

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:19 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote: And we're going to close all public lands to grazing!

And some people wonder why the FUCKING LOCALS hate Burning Man.

Fuck You.