Rioting in the streets of downtown Oakland!

lonestoner916 · Post by **lonestoner916** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:14 am

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 155CN1.DTL

I was at the rally at the BART station and joined the march, which became "the mob," until the very end, and this article is horseshit. It's not completely inaccurate but it's a long way from the whole truth, which I will post tomorrow.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:19 am

Was this about last night or did they have another riot tonight?

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:48 am

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Oscar Grant was murdered by police execution style while handcuffed in front of witnesses. This could get ugly for Oakland unless action is taken by the government against the officer who fired the shot. Rioters often attack the innocent and the innocent will have to fight back to defend their homes, businesses and vehicles. The coverup attempts by the media and govt. will not work, video got out and there were too many witnesses.

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http://oaklandcopwatch.blogspot.com/

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:39 am

Correction to my post:

The victim was not handcuffed and can be seen in this video with his arms free after the shot was fired into his back.

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I have heard that the officer may have thought he drew his taser instead of firearm. It is my understanding that tasers are never worn where the firearm is to avoid this very thing. Is there a lack of training? Did the officer even have a taser issued?

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:57 am

So when are they going to indict the cop? After Oaktown burns down or before?

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:09 pm

What were those guys doing that caught the attention of the police to begin with? Oh, I bet I know; they were inocently trying to take a ride on the train, yeah, right.

JK

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:12 pm

jkisha wrote:What were those guys doing that caught the attention of the police to begin with? Oh, I bet I know; they were inocently trying to take a ride on the train, yeah, right.

JK

Something that justifies being shot on sight, you think?
I don't think that's the issue.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:15 pm

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:18 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:
jkisha wrote:What were those guys doing that caught the attention of the police to begin with? Oh, I bet I know; they were inocently trying to take a ride on the train, yeah, right.

JK
Something that justifies being shot on sight, you think?
I don't think that's the issue.

I think if a person is doing something that he shouldn't be doing which happens to then attract the attention of the police, they should be aware of the possible consequences and the potential of everything escallating out of control. Too bad he was shot, but there is no way he was any 'innocent bystander' in this and I think any mention of the police actions should always be prefaced with what illegal acts the people were in the process of comitting when they were shot.

I'd feel much more sympathy for an innocent bystander that got shot when the bullet the cops fired went through the person that was actually committing the crime.

I know that sounds a bit harsh, and I'm not advocating police violence; but I'm also not very sympathetic to people the get hurt/killed in the act of committing a crime.

It's sort of the same as you shooting a person that is trying to rob you in the street and you are the one that goes to jail for committing a crime. That's just bull shit.

JK

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:24 pm

jkisha wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:
jkisha wrote:What were those guys doing that caught the attention of the police to begin with? Oh, I bet I know; they were inocently trying to take a ride on the train, yeah, right.

JK
Something that justifies being shot on sight, you think?
I don't think that's the issue.
I think if a person is doing something that he shouldn't be doing which happens to then attract the attention of the police, they should be aware of the possible consequences and the potential of everything escallating out of control. Too bad he was shot, but there is no way he was any 'innocent bystander' in this and I think any mention of the police actions should always be prefaced with what illegal acts the people were in the process of comitting when they were shot.

I'd feel much more sympathy for an innocent bystander that got shot when the bullet the cops fired went through the person that was actually committing the crime.

I know that sounds a bit harsh, and I'm not advocating police violence; but I'm also not very sympathetic to people the get hurt/killed in the act of committing a crime.

It's sort of the same as you shooting a person that is trying to rob you in the street and you are the one that goes to jail for committing a crime. That's just bull shit.

JK

Yep You obviously are sounding like a certain type of person from LA now.

Bullshit like that is normal in LA. It's not in Northern Cal.

With some exceptions in Oakland.

So Lets reiterate, no matter what a person does before the cops of any sort get there, if a suspect is in a non threatening position and the cop already has control of the situation, there is no reason to kill the suspect. In fact, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO DO SO.

I really dont think you are aware of that by the looks of what you posted.

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:30 pm

what I want to know is ... how was this Gentleman a threat to the Officer or other humans nearby?

Unless the Officer can credibly articulate this, there will be problems for BART and Oakland.

From the limited video clips I have seen, BART and Oakland are in trouble. About 25 million dollars worth of trouble. Plus the cost of riots if they do not pay off immediately without a trial.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:39 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
Yep You obviously are sounding like a certain type of person from LA now.

Yep, that's me.

Wait, exactly what type of person are you referring to again?

JK

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:47 pm

jkisha wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:
Yep You obviously are sounding like a certain type of person from LA now.

Yep, that's me.

Wait, exactly what type of person are you referring to again?

JK

Sharp as a spoon!

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:12 pm

I have looked at the videos and didn't see a judge and jury there. Maybe I missed it.

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:40 pm

Just a few points.

1 - if you had been robbed on the street and you and some of your freinds had captured the thief and had him face down on the ground and then you shot him in the back while he was on the ground, you and all of your freinds would now be in jail awaiting trial.

2 - if after you had shot the victim in the back your freinds had started taking (confiscating) cell phones (without due process) and video devices from witnesses, your freinds would all be in jail for obstruction of justice and conspriacy to conceal a crime.

3 - Failure of the police chief and the mayor to arrest the officers involved after knowing about the videos (in this case) is also obstruction of justice and conspiracy to conceal a crime. the police chief and mayor saying that they have not seen the videos implies an intent to obstruct justice and conceal a crime.

4 - Failure to hold the police to to a high standard of accountability is to invite a police state. Can you say Nazi Germany?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:39 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:I have looked at the videos and didn't see a judge and jury there. Maybe I missed it.

Box Burner wrote:Just a few points.

1 - if you had been robbed on the street and you and some of your freinds had captured the thief and had him face down on the ground and then you shot him in the back while he was on the ground, you and all of your freinds would now be in jail awaiting trial.

2 - if after you had shot the victim in the back your freinds had started taking (confiscating) cell phones (without due process) and video devices from witnesses, your freinds would all be in jail for obstruction of justice and conspriacy to conceal a crime.

3 - Failure of the police chief and the mayor to arrest the officers involved after knowing about the videos (in this case) is also obstruction of justice and conspiracy to conceal a crime. the police chief and mayor saying that they have not seen the videos implies an intent to obstruct justice and conceal a crime.

4 - Failure to hold the police to to a high standard of accountability is to invite a police state. Can you say Nazi Germany?

Exactly, tho this happened in Oakland, it would be difficult for it to happen in San Francisco. We dont tolerate such shit.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:07 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:I have looked at the videos and didn't see a judge and jury there. Maybe I missed it.

Box Burner wrote:Just a few points.

1 - if you had been robbed on the street and you and some of your freinds had captured the thief and had him face down on the ground and then you shot him in the back while he was on the ground, you and all of your freinds would now be in jail awaiting trial.

2 - if after you had shot the victim in the back your freinds had started taking (confiscating) cell phones (without due process) and video devices from witnesses, your freinds would all be in jail for obstruction of justice and conspriacy to conceal a crime.

3 - Failure of the police chief and the mayor to arrest the officers involved after knowing about the videos (in this case) is also obstruction of justice and conspiracy to conceal a crime. the police chief and mayor saying that they have not seen the videos implies an intent to obstruct justice and conceal a crime.

4 - Failure to hold the police to to a high standard of accountability is to invite a police state. Can you say Nazi Germany?
Exactly, tho this happened in Oakland, it would be difficult for it to happen in San Francisco. We dont tolerate such shit.

http://www.zpub.com/sf/sftopic-pol.html

SFPD would have shot everyone and made damn sure NO camera footage got out. SF has had its share of face down suspects murdered. Police murders are on the rise and will continue to increase if nothing is done.

DVD: Your pic mentions that the suspect was cuffed, this is not true as you can see in the video.

JKisha: Nice to know you think its cool to shoot unarmed people in the back while they are face down for allegedly commiting a misdemeanor. Maybe someday cops will be able to shoot those pesky jaywalkers.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:16 pm

Toolmaker wrote: JKisha: Nice to know you think its cool to shoot unarmed people in the back while they are face down for allegedly commiting a misdemeanor. Maybe someday cops will be able to shoot those pesky jaywalkers.

I'd be happier if someday cops were able to shoot those pesky drivers that don't yield to pedestrians in cross walks.

My point was that though what the cops did was probably not right (innocent until proven guilty), the person shot was probably not some little angel either. The person probably didn't deserve to get shot, but I'll bet it was his actions that put him on the wrong side of the gun (I mean law) to begin with and for that diserves some responsibility for his ill fated demise.

JK

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:33 pm

Toolmaker wrote: http://www.zpub.com/sf/sftopic-pol.html

SFPD would have shot everyone and made damn sure NO camera footage got out. SF has had its share of face down suspects murdered. Police murders are on the rise and will continue to increase if nothing is done.

DVD: Your pic mentions that the suspect was cuffed, this is not true as you can see in the video.

JKisha: Nice to know you think its cool to shoot unarmed people in the back while they are face down for allegedly commiting a misdemeanor. Maybe someday cops will be able to shoot those pesky jaywalkers.

First off, the Cop got killed. Dont know what that has to do with a cop killing someone but that's neither here nor there.
Second, if you went to the website of the creator of the poster, he admitted as such that the victim was not handcuffed.
3rd, on JK, finally something we agree on.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:35 pm

jkisha wrote:
My point was that though what the cops did was probably not right (innocent until proven guilty)
JK

Classic LA shit. And to top it off, I bet you never watched the videos.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:17 pm

DVD Burner wrote:I bet you never watched the videos.

Can't be bothered. I'm more interested in watching the rioters tearing their city apart. I wonder how they will be punished? I never could understand how people think that destroying their own neighborhoods was a form of intelligent protest. Well, I guess the operative word here is 'intelligence' or lack there-of.

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:21 pm

jkisha wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:I bet you never watched the videos.
Can't be bothered. I'm more interested in watching the rioters tearing their city apart. I wonder how they will be punished? I never could understand how people think that destroying their own neighborhoods was a form of intelligent protest. Well, I guess the operative word here is 'intelligence' or lack there-of.

JK

JK:
if you keep talkin to him, he'll keep answering................

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:32 pm

ygmir wrote:
JK:
if you keep talkin to him, he'll keep answering................

Sometimes you just can't resist picking the low fruit.

JK

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:03 pm

jkisha wrote:Well, I guess the operative word here is 'intelligence' or lack there-of.

JK

Try, you're lacking.

I was talking about the shooting. But everyone but you knew that.

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:15 pm

jkisha wrote:
I'd be happier if someday cops were able to shoot those pesky drivers that don't yield to pedestrians in cross walks.

JK

Don't go there. Don't even joke about it. the ability and authority to shoot someone they "see" committing a crime is a power you do not want anyone on the GOV payroll to have.

lonestoner916 · Post by **lonestoner916** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:12 pm

As I just posted on Tribe, the story ran long, four pages and counting, and I ran into some delays that prevented me from posting all of it tonight, but tomorrow while I'm at the laundromat I will post the fucker. In the meantime, take another look at the videos and ask yourself if any of this would have happened if the officer had been arrested on the spot? People, especially trigger happy fools like Johannes Mehserle, should be held accountable for their actions. Stay tuned...

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:55 pm

How is it you are able to post on Tribe?

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:29 am

Tribe was up as of a few minutes ago.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:37 am

Not for me.
all I get is this:

And I have cleared my cashe.

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:54 am

have you run a trace route? Might be something in between you and their server. although i was getting the same thing yesterday. I amd still getting in right now,