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Post by can't sit still » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:03 pm

Apparently the Chinese really love their prostitutes;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... finds.html
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:01 pm

Democracy in action;
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Post by geekster » Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:15 am

The scope of the Democrats corruption recently has amazed me. The extent to which they are getting away with it is even more amazing. Take Rangel, for example. He did exactly what Ted Stevens did ... failed to report income. Stevens gets prosecuted, Rangel is keeping his post in Ways and Means. Then you have Holder who puts the kabosh on the Richarson investigation once the prosecutor starts tracing things back to Henry Waxman's district in California. And how many US Attorney's has Obama fired so far? Bush fired 8 in his second term and got hearings galore. Obama has fired 13 and he hasn't even been there a year. He fired the first Native American woman ever to be a US Attorney and put Janet Napolitano's chief of staff in the position.

The hypocrisy is staggering, the coverups Nixonian. Oh, and wasn't Rangel's wife recently brought up on corruption charges, too? And what about all those Democrats (and one Republican) in New Jersey. Oh, and Bill Jefferson finally got convicted after that 90 Grand in bribe money was discovered in his freezer. As in Rangel's case, Jefferson's family members are also facing charges for local corruption schemes.

Saw an article in the SF Comical today about Mayor Gavin and how it seems people might be attempting to curry favor by dumping cash into his favorite "charities" ... some of which put on events for Gavin. Might there be a little pay for play going on there? If so, I can promise you the press will never cover it because he is a Democrat.

You have the Washington Post printing 6 articles in 4 days about a thesis written 20 years ago by Bob McDonnell who is running for governor of Virginia (and apparently those articles are having no impact on polling) yet we have a President who has REFUSED to release his thesis and nobody seems to be demanding to see it. Why?

And today the AFL-CIO comes up with this suggestion to destroy our capital markets by imposing a tax on every share of stock sold. That is a backhanded way of taxing our IRA and 401K retirement plans along with just about every pension plan in the country ... but I am sure they would want transactions for union plans exempted. All such a tax would do is force companies to seek capital on different exchanges. Nobody would list in the US anymore. Maybe that is the plan. They would simply trade stock outside the US. Sarbanes/Oxley is already forcing companies to IPO in London rather than in the US.

The Democrats are stupid and corrupt and robbing us blind.
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Post by geekster » Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:31 am

New York's OTB (off track betting) filed for bankruptcy today. Now how can that be? It works like this: people go to the race track (or betting parlor), give you all their money, and leave. How can you POSSIBLY lose money? Gambling is a guaranteed win for the house. How can New York possibly go bankrupt running a gambling racket?

Maybe there is a clue in here someplace:
Despite taking more than $1 billion in bets every year, the OTB has been unable to cover its operating costs for years and has accrued liabilities of $220 million.

Adding to the gloom are unfunded liabilities of more than $500 million, most of it related to employee retirement, health and other benefits.
Hmm
The OTB is planning to overhaul its business model, renegotiate with its unions, upgrade technology and end leases at underused betting parlors.
Getting warmer!

Think maybe the state OTB was just a cash cow for the unions? Nah, couldn't be. Everyone knows that you need to be highly skilled and serve a long apprenticeship to be a member of the Alamgamated Money Takers Union or whatever it is that collects bets. I mean, you have to be able to MAKE CHANGE and stuff. That is no easy task. People study for years to do that ... and you have to learn all that racetrack lingo. Things like "win" and "place" and "show" ... and learn what a "trifecta" is and stuff. So, I mean, a person working a window could easily require enough training to justify a six figure salary, right?
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Post by geekster » Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:34 am

Well, I'll be darned! CBS noticed Rangel today and the fact that he has been paying off other elected officials:

Rangel-ing: Charlie Pays 'Angels' In Ethics Probe

And my apologies to Rangel's family, it was not Rangel's but John Conyers whose wife has been caught with her hands in the public cookie jar and Conyers is on the House Judiciary Committee.

So you get the guy who is supposed to be in charge of seeing that our money is spent wisely hiding income and paying off cronies while the guy in charge of overseeing the application of justice in this country has his wife up on felony corruption charges. "You better get my loot!" she is heard to tell an aid on a police wiretap.

Check this out:
Another corrupt action that she was involved in brought other prominent Democrats in Michigan into the picture, including hubby John, Governor Granholm, MI Dem party chairman Mark Brewer, and Debbie Stabenow. Ever since Monica Conyers became a convicted felon, a big chunk of the the most powerful Michigan Democrats have been somehow connected to the growing scandal. Husband John Conyers somehow wrote a letter to the EPA to open toxic deep wells that he vehemently opposed, which was a boost to Jim Pappas who was bribing Monica for the favor. In the middle was Monica Conyers advisor Sam Riddle. In addition, Pappas hired U.S. Sen Debbie Stabenow's husband, Tom Athens, to illegally lobby for the same deal, all the while Stabenow publicly came out against Canadian trash imports, including those that we to be injected into said wells. Conyers advisor Riddle, still awaiting his fate, was paid a cool $50,000 in hush money to not say "anything bad" about Granholm during the 2006 gubernatorial election bu the MI Democrat Party (Mark Brewer). What exactly Riddle had on Granholm is not known. Once that news broke, Granholm's mouthpiece Liz Boyd came out swinging, and Riddle was forced to back down on the air.
At about the 9 minute mark is where Riddle is asked about the $50,000.

Ask Detroit what life is like under the Democrats. Not a single store from a grocery chain in the city limits. Median home prices under five THOUSAND dollars. Adult functional illiteracy rate at 40% (and they wonder why they can't sell newspapers), high school dropout rate over 50% and the federal dollars just keep pouring in.

And the more federal cash that goes in there, the worse things get.

There still isn't a political party that I feel comfortable aligning with ... maybe the Modern Whig Party is the closest. But the Democrats are robbing us blind and their policies are a roadmap to certain failure.
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:32 pm

Geekster, don't be so condemning. The Dems are just making up for lost time. :roll:
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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:16 pm

10 of the Most Obscenely Stupid Right-Wing Conspiracy Theories and Attacks Against the President

By Tana Ganeva, AlterNet. Posted September 8, 2009.

http://www.alternet.org/story/142477/10 ... age=entire

Obama's nefarious plan for the nation's genitals? His evil designs on your children? Here are the most absurd right-wing assaults on the president -- and logic and reason.

Today President Obama gave a speech urging America's schoolchildren to do their homework and stay in school.

Naturally, conservatives have been extremely alarmed about the address, because obviously the president is looking to create a vast army of adorable little zombies that will help him destroy America faster.

All last week, conservative bloggers and pundits gleefully accused the centrist president of plotting to force radical politics on America's impressionable youth, after Florida's Republican chairman Jim Greer said Obama's address would "indoctrinate" children and spread "socialist ideology."

The week of right-wing echo chamber freak-outs led to protests by conservative parents, which put school districts throughout the country in the unenviable position of having to deal with the "controversy": Some decided not to air the president's address; others required parental permission.

So, thanks to the right-wing saviors of America's youth, a bunch of kids have been shielded from the president's dangerous message that learning things is good.

Could this be the stupidest, most irrational way conservatives have tried to tear down Obama? Is it even possible to answer that question?

We've assembled the most absurd, logic-defying right-wing attacks on the president. Some you've undoubtedly encountered before; all are incessantly blared by conservative pundits and shock jocks, while many are cynically embraced by GOP lawmakers.

Assembled together, they illustrate the absurd extremes to which right-wingers are trying to drive the public discourse in their efforts to thwart essential reforms in health care, energy policy and the economy.

The Advent of Socialism/Fascism

Most historians would agree that fascism and socialism represent vastly different ideologies and historical phenomena. But not the historians at Fox News! Since Obama took office, right-wing pundits have lobbed these smears interchangeably, not quite clarifying whether Obama is leading the proletariat to a glorious Utopian Future or trying to bring the master race to world dominion.

Obama's Nefarious Plan for the Nation's Genitals

When news leaked of a CDC report recommending that boys be circumcised as a preventative measure against HIV infection, right-winger conspiracy theorists decided to fret that the federal government would mandate circumcision. Since Patrick Henry isn’t around, it was up to Rush Limbaugh to sound the rallying cry against tyranny: "Leave our penises alone, too, Obama!" roared Limbaugh in a July 24 radio broadcast.

The next day, while discussing an unrelated dispute with Jay-Z, the talk show host said, "I would remind the rapper Jay Z; Mr. Z, it is President Obama who wants mandated circumcision. We had that yesterday. That means if we need to save our penises from anybody, it's Obama."

Needless to say, Obama had nothing to do with the CDC report, and doesn't appear to have ever publicly uttered the word "circumcision." Nor did he recommend the CDC promote circumcision.

None of this, of course, discouraged Limbaugh from running with the best metaphor for white male anxiety in the age of Obama, ever.

The Birthers

Remember when the president invented a time machine and traveled back in time to plant his own birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper and forge a certificate of birth proving he was born in the States, all to hide the fact that he's a foreigner from a country filled with scary black people?

That, of course, appears to be the only explanation for why the birther nonsense continues to gurgle up online (even though certain idiots, who for mysterious reasons still have shows on CNN, have finally stopped giving this nonsense the patina of mainstream credibility).

Recently, some birthers on Free Republic argued that the only way to determine the president's birthplace for sure was by checking if he is circumcised. (It would seem that there needs to be a subcategory on this list for these patriots' obsession with the president's penis.)

The Deathers

In America in 2009 -- a time and place where most people have access to a high school education and can read -- a rumor emerged that the overhaul of our terrible health care system would allow the government to put old people to death. This rumor was stoked by the crazy people on Fox News and talk radio, then embraced and propagated by Republican lawmakers and others who are supposed to be sane adults.

"A lot of people are going to die. This program of government option that‘s being touted as being this panacea, the savior of allowing people to have quality health care at an affordable price, is going to kill people." said Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga, said.

Then there was almost-a-heartbeat-away-from-the-presidency Sarah Palin, who contributed to the discussion by saying that under a reformed health system, the government would have killed her child Trig because he has Down syndrome. (Palin took back the comments after much outcry, but that didn't stop the vocal minority of town hall protesters from screaming about Obama killing old and disabled people all summer).

The End of the Internet?

Cass Sunstein, currently awaiting confirmation to head the Office of Information an Regulatory Affairs, is apparently doing Obama's dirty work on this one. Someone enterprising at crackpot site World Net Daily cherrypicked from a long-ago Sunstein statement, making it sound like he wants government regulation forcing blogs to link to opposing viewpoints.

In fact, as Julian Sanchez writes, in the statement in question Sunstein floated the theory as "food for thought." And then he noted the free-speech issues involved. And then he called the idea stupid and unconstitutional.

Czars

Obama has "czars" in his administration. The word "czar" is Russian, which of course is scary ("Too Russian!" said former Oklahoma Rep. Ernest Istook. "Why not call somebody the Big Boss?").

One of Glenn Beck's favorite things to do is list off and rail against the czars in Obama's administration. Neil Cavuto, Mike Huckabee and others on Fox and like-minded media are also pretty excited about it and have made lots of puns (czar wars!) and wild accusations about Obama's alleged czar shadow army.

Somehow, their balanced take on this threatening phenomena fails to mention that George W. Bush was pretty fond of czars himself, overseeing the creation of a "food-safety czar," a "cybersecurity czar," a "regulatory czar," an "AIDS czar," a "manufacturing czar," an "intelligence czar," a "bird-flu czar" and a "Katrina czar," according to Steve Benen in Washington Monthly.

Our Half-White President Has a Problem With White People?

One would think Obama is pretty OK with white people, since he is half white and was raised by a white mother and grandparents. Beck would disagree.

In July, Beck bizarrely accused the president of having a deep-seated hatred for white people and "white culture," an attention-grubbing overreach that has led to a successful boycott campaign that has cost Beck 57 advertisers.

Beck's offensive statement was only the most extreme iteration of a conservative strategy to sneakily accuse the president of undermining the interests of whites. One other example is the absurd claim that the president is trying to trick white Americans into paying reparations through health reform.

Snitch Site?

A few months ago, the White House made a valiant attempt to help steer the health care debate toward existing things like policy, rather than totally made up crap like death panels. They did so by setting up a Web site where people could submit questions about the wild conspiracy theories circulating about reform.

Naturally, the fringe decided that Obama was asking people to report on their neighbors. And, of course, Republican lawmakers irresponsibly and shamelessly joined the fray, with Texas Sen. John Cornyn, for example, accusing Obama of compiling an "enemies list" and demanding the site be shut down.

An Expansion of AmeriCorps. The Horror!

And finally, what does Obama plan to do with all those kids he brainwashes during his speech today?

Wait, with diabolical patience, until their teeny little arms grow strong enough to wield heavy weaponry so he can draft them into his massive domestic paramilitary force. At least that appears to be a fear held by Beck, who has said Obama's "civilian national security force" is like Hitler's SS, or something Saddam Hussein would do.

Michelle Bachmann warned of a massive effort to herd kids into re-education camps. What were they talking about? The expansion of AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps.

And there you have it: Public discourse in 2009.

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Post by can't sit still » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:03 pm

Got this in mail;


>> Urgent: House Resolution 615 - Congress and Health Care

>> WELL, WE FINALLY HAVE A CHANCE.
>> Please pass this on!!
>>
>> On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a
>> two-page amendment courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn that would require
>> all Members and their staffs to enroll in any new government-run health
>> plan. Yet all Democrats — with the exceptions of acting chairman Chris
>> Dodd, Barbara Mikulski and Ted Kennedy via proxy — voted nay.
>> It took me less than a minute to sign up to require our
>> congressmen and senators to drink at the same trough! Three cheers for
>> Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana!
>> Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an
>> amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same
>> healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are
>> curiously exempt).
>> ; Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website
>> and sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email). I have
>> immediately done just that at Senator Fleming’s website:
>> http://fleming.house.gov/index.html. Please urge as many people as you
>> can to do the same!
>> If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen
>> should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and
>> their families.
>> My apologies if f you've already received this, but it's too
>> important to let congress just ram this legislation thru - this is the
>> only way they will slow down and think about this!
>> Dean Adkins
>> PS - it may take a couple of tries to sign onto the petition as
>> the website has been overloaded - just hit the "back" arrow and resubmit
>> until it goes thr u.
>>
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:11 am

can't sit still wrote:Got this in mail;


>> Urgent: House Resolution 615 - Congress and Health Care

>> WELL, WE FINALLY HAVE A CHANCE.
>> Please pass this on!!
>>
>> On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a
>> two-page amendment courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn that would require
>> all Members and their staffs to enroll in any new government-run health
>> plan. Yet all Democrats — with the exceptions of acting chairman Chris
>> Dodd, Barbara Mikulski and Ted Kennedy via proxy — voted nay.
>> It took me less than a minute to sign up to require our
>> congressmen and senators to drink at the same trough! Three cheers for
>> Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana!
>> Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an
>> amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same
>> healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are
>> curiously exempt).
>> ; Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website
>> and sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email). I have
>> immediately done just that at Senator Fleming’s website:
>> http://fleming.house.gov/index.html. Please urge as many people as you
>> can to do the same!
>> If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen
>> should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and
>> their families.
>> My apologies if f you've already received this, but it's too
>> important to let congress just ram this legislation thru - this is the
>> only way they will slow down and think about this!
>> Dean Adkins
>> PS - it may take a couple of tries to sign onto the petition as
>> the website has been overloaded - just hit the "back" arrow and resubmit
>> until it goes thr u.
>>
Thank's now you have given me fodder to prove that it really the republicans Resolution 615 that will to force everyone on to the public health option and it's the Democrats that want everyone to have an option of selecting their own plan- public or private!

I always knew the republicans were fucking lying!

Fuck Bush!

and fuck the Enrons of the health care industy with the public health care option!

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Post by can't sit still » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:26 am

Zeus, you didn't comment on the strangest facet of this. It's not hard to see that the republicans would like to embarrass the Dems. The odd part of this is that the legislators are all fairly wealthy. They aren't going to go to a GOV clinic anyway. Why didn't they all just sign on for PR reasons and then just ignore it all later?
Look at Al Gore. He loves green legislation but, he doesn't let it affect his private consumption. Why don't the Dems just get on the bandwagon and ignore it later?
The legislators are also have a special retirement package that is NOT funded by social security. It's funded by the general fund. If the dems had any smarts, they would grab the initiative from the Reps and get everyone to sign it.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:37 am

I just sent that message to a friend in the left news industry. He's going to spin it against the republicans and their want to take the private/ public option choice away from the healthcare plan. I just started to post that as well in a few threads including the NYTIMES.

House Res 615 sponsored by republicans will take your choice away!

Thanks, Can't Sit Still!

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The Advent of Socialism/Fascism

Most historians would agree that fascism and socialism represent vastly different ideologies and historical phenomena. But not the historians at Fox News! Since Obama took office, right-wing pundits have lobbed these smears interchangeably, not quite clarifying whether Obama is leading the proletariat to a glorious Utopian Future or trying to bring the master race to world dominion.


Fascism is a variant form of socialism. Read up on it and the similarities are obvious. The Left has put a lot of effort into obfuscating those similarities--even going so far as to suggest that fascism is somehow 'right-wing' when nothing about it jibes with basic right-wing beliefs such as small government, free presses, free speech, and individual, rather than group, responsibility.

Obama's policies show clear socialist and even fascist tendancies--the odd justapostion of the government 'owning' private companies for example is a hallmark of fascism--the businesses are still 'private' but control is clearly governmental.
Obama's Nefarious Plan for the Nation's Genitals

When news leaked of a CDC report recommending that boys be circumcised as a preventative measure against HIV infection, right-winger conspiracy theorists decided to fret that the federal government would mandate circumcision. Since Patrick Henry isn’t around, it was up to Rush Limbaugh to sound the rallying cry against tyranny: "Leave our penises alone, too, Obama!" roared Limbaugh in a July 24 radio broadcast.

The next day, while discussing an unrelated dispute with Jay-Z, the talk show host said, "I would remind the rapper Jay Z; Mr. Z, it is President Obama who wants mandated circumcision. We had that yesterday. That means if we need to save our penises from anybody, it's Obama."

Needless to say, Obama had nothing to do with the CDC report, and doesn't appear to have ever publicly uttered the word "circumcision." Nor did he recommend the CDC promote circumcision.

None of this, of course, discouraged Limbaugh from running with the best metaphor for white male anxiety in the age of Obama, ever.
When Bush was president he was taken as being responsible for the actions of the government--including things like the CDC. Why has this attitude evaporated?

The issue of male genital mutilation is only now making it's way out from it's beginnings--many of which were based in gay rights. Truly a font of Republican support.
The Birthers

Remember when the president invented a time machine and traveled back in time to plant his own birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper and forge a certificate of birth proving he was born in the States, all to hide the fact that he's a foreigner from a country filled with scary black people?

That, of course, appears to be the only explanation for why the birther nonsense continues to gurgle up online (even though certain idiots, who for mysterious reasons still have shows on CNN, have finally stopped giving this nonsense the patina of mainstream credibility).

Recently, some birthers on Free Republic argued that the only way to determine the president's birthplace for sure was by checking if he is circumcised. (It would seem that there needs to be a subcategory on this list for these patriots' obsession with the president's penis.)
While I don't subscribe to this idea, I DO find it odd that one seems to need less ID to become President than one needs to open an account at a video store.

Interestingly, that Certificate of Live Birth is routinely rejected by numerous state and federal agencies for things such as social security benefits among other things. And I know this for a fact--my brother recently had to travel to the city of his birth to get a new copy of his birth certificate--which he had to get in person as they would only send that Certificate of Live Birth thing through the mail--to get the real thing, he had to be there. He needed to do this because he couldn't get federal financial aid for college without a valid birth certificate--and the federal government refused to accept the Certificate of Live Birth he sent them.

The Birthers are silly--Obama's 'native born' credentials were vetted. They are like their conspiratorial brethren, the Truthers--an odd fringe that has no bearing on anything.
The Deathers

In America in 2009 -- a time and place where most people have access to a high school education and can read -- a rumor emerged that the overhaul of our terrible health care system would allow the government to put old people to death. This rumor was stoked by the crazy people on Fox News and talk radio, then embraced and propagated by Republican lawmakers and others who are supposed to be sane adults.
And that's just a lie. It was reported factually--and the premise was even stated by the president when he said that sometimes the most sound decision for seniors health is to avoid the hip replacement and just 'take the pill'. While this didn't refer to killing seniors--it was abundantly clear that it DID refer to limiting their options.

The idea of 'killing old people' is an exaggeration of the reaction to 'end of life counseling' mandates in one of the health care bills.

Wasting away in a drug induced haze after working hard all your life, paying your taxes and hoping for a vigorous retirement may not be killing seniors--but it's clearly telling them to die and get out of the way already.

Which makes perfect economic sense--healthcare for the elderly is expensive....of course, that's why you try to stay as healthy as you can while paying your premiums all your damned life--so when you need it, it's there. But the government knows full well that there won't really be any money 'there' when you get to a point where you need it if they're in charge--so they'd prefer that you die....by your own hand.
Then there was almost-a-heartbeat-away-from-the-presidency Sarah Palin, who contributed to the discussion by saying that under a reformed health system, the government would have killed her child Trig because he has Down syndrome. (Palin took back the comments after much outcry, but that didn't stop the vocal minority of town hall protesters from screaming about Obama killing old and disabled people all summer).
During the campaign many prominent pesonages of the Left made comments suggesting that Trig should have been aborted...or has that gone down the memory hole?

Poor post-natal care is a feature of many socialized healthcare systems...allowing defective infants to die allows them to have amazing infant mortality stats---because they don't count those 'defective' infants.

The End of the Internet?


This refers to two things--the 'Net Neutrality' issue and the desire for an executive 'off' switch in cases of national emergency--both things are absolutely factual. But posing it that way allows for some propagandistic spouting off that makes those who object look silly in the echo chambers of the left.
Czars


Obama has more "czars" than any other president has ever had in his administration. Many have shady pasts. That is the cause for concern.
Our Half-White President Has a Problem With White People?

One would think Obama is pretty OK with white people, since he is half white and was raised by a white mother and grandparents. Beck would disagree.
And he'd be right. Read Obama's books. Listen to them. Why take Beck's word for it? You can hear Obama reading it himself.
Snitch Site?

A few months ago, the White House made a valiant attempt to help steer the health care debate toward existing things like policy, rather than totally made up crap like death panels. They did so by setting up a Web site where people could submit questions about the wild conspiracy theories circulating about reform.

Naturally, the fringe decided that Obama was asking people to report on their neighbors.


They asked that e-mails be forwarded to the site. I wouldn't call it 'reporting on neighbors'--I'd call it reporting on people who send you e-mail--who are often completely unknown to you.

The administration later altered the tone of their request to make it sound less creepy---but the site is still functioning.
An Expansion of AmeriCorps. The Horror!

And finally, what does Obama plan to do with all those kids he brainwashes during his speech today?

Wait, with diabolical patience, until their teeny little arms grow strong enough to wield heavy weaponry so he can draft them into his massive domestic paramilitary force. At least that appears to be a fear held by Beck, who has said Obama's "civilian national security force" is like Hitler's SS, or something Saddam Hussein would do.

Michelle Bachmann warned of a massive effort to herd kids into re-education camps. What were they talking about? The expansion of AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps.
A "civilian national security force" is not the same as the Peace Corps or Americorps and will not be the same even if those groups provide the foundation for Obama's "civilian national security force".

The odd thing here is that the author clearly admits that Obama WANTS a "civilian national security force"...but apparently is fine with it. Why do we need this? We have the Guard, we have police...what is it for?

Even the 'good' answers sound scary.
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Post by lurker » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:33 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
can't sit still wrote:Got this in mail;


>> Urgent: House Resolution 615 - Congress and Health Care

>> WELL, WE FINALLY HAVE A CHANCE.
>> Please pass this on!!
>>
>> On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a
>> two-page amendment courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn that would require
>> all Members and their staffs to enroll in any new government-run health
>> plan. Yet all Democrats — with the exceptions of acting chairman Chris
>> Dodd, Barbara Mikulski and Ted Kennedy via proxy — voted nay.
>> It took me less than a minute to sign up to require our
>> congressmen and senators to drink at the same trough! Three cheers for
>> Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana!
>> Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an
>> amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same
>> healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are
>> curiously exempt).
>> ; Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website
>> and sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email). I have
>> immediately done just that at Senator Fleming’s website:
>> http://fleming.house.gov/index.html. Please urge as many people as you
>> can to do the same!
>> If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen
>> should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and
>> their families.
>> My apologies if f you've already received this, but it's too
>> important to let congress just ram this legislation thru - this is the
>> only way they will slow down and think about this!
>> Dean Adkins
>> PS - it may take a couple of tries to sign onto the petition as
>> the website has been overloaded - just hit the "back" arrow and resubmit
>> until it goes thr u.
>>
Thank's now you have given me fodder to prove that it really the republicans Resolution 615 that will to force everyone on to the public health option and it's the Democrats that want everyone to have an option of selecting their own plan- public or private!

I always knew the republicans were fucking lying!

Fuck Bush!

and fuck the Enrons of the health care industy with the public health care option!

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That's Right--limiting the Congress to the same limitations they'd impose on us is not the same as letting them impose limitations that they can opt out of.

See AIIZ, they don't want to use the systems--public OR private--that they intend to force YOU to use--and, as an added bonus, you'll get to pay for the better system they get as well as the crap they force you into.
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:55 pm

lurker, this proposed "civilian national security force" bears analysis. When you put together the 2 words "force" and "security", it doesn't sound like the Black Rock Rangers. It sounds "armed" . We already have the U.S. Marshals. Do we need another federal police force? Do we need armed civilians doing the same work as U.S. Marshals?
If you remember Kent State, there were deaths because of over-reaction.
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So uummmm.....how is everyone enjoying how politics is doing these days?
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Gates lashes out at critics of U.S. missile plan

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Saturday lashed out at critics of a new missile defense plan for Europe and insisted it was not a concession to Russia, as some charge.

Gates, a Republican who served in senior positions under former President George H.W. Bush and his son, former President George W. Bush, wrote in an opinion article for the New York Times that the criticism of the plan is misguided.

"I believe this is a very pragmatic proposal. I have found since taking this post that when it comes to missile defense, some hold a view bordering on theology that regards any change of plans or any cancellation of a program as abandonment or even breaking faith," Gates said.

The objective of the missile plan is to counter the threat of missile attack from Iran, not Russia.

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The Bush plan was intended to intercept long-range Iranian missiles, but Iran has yet to develop long-range missiles and U.S. intelligence recently determined that Tehran is unlikely to have such missiles until between 2015 and 2020.

As a result, Gates changed the plan to counter the possibility of short- and medium-range missiles.

Moscow had protested the Bush plan because it would be based in the Czech Republic and Poland. Leaders in the Czech Republic and Poland had found comfort in the Bush plan because they saw it as some protection against nearby Russia.

Under Obama's new plan, the United States would initially deploy ships with missile interceptors and in a second phase would field land-based defense systems.

Since the plan was announced, Gates has been taking fire from Republicans as well as many military analysts. Democrats and arms control experts have welcomed the plan.

Senate John McCain, ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, called the new plan "misguided" and said it was a concession to Russia and an abrogation of an agreement between the United States, the Czech Republic and Poland.

Gates, however, said it was "a better way forward" and argued that Europe will still have missile defense under it. He said it was a distortion to call the new plan "some sort of concession to Russia."

"Russia's attitude and possible reaction played no part in my recommendation to the president on this issue. Of course, considering Russia's past hostility toward American missile defense in Europe, if Russia's leaders embrace this plan, then that will be an unexpected -- and welcome -- change of policy on their part," he said.

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Scientists: Obama's election may reduce terrorism

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Will Barack Obama's election make terrorists less eager to strike? A data analysis released Thursday suggests it could make a difference. In the Science magazine study, researchers Alan Krueger of Princeton and Jitka Maleèková of the Economics Institute of the Czech Academy of Science in Prague looked at terrorist attacks in nine countries, including the U.S., and their relation to public opinion in India, Middle Eastern and North African nations. "We found a greater incidence of international terrorism when people of one country disapprove of the leadership of another country," concludes the study.

The study relied on National Counter Terrorism Center data and Gallup World Poll results. "The United States and United Kingdom had the highest average disapproval rating across all countries (71% for both countries), whereas Japan had the lowest rating (41%)," says the study. Study statistics reveal a 20% jump in disapproval rates was linked to a 93% increase in terrorist attacks from 2004 to 2008. While the results can't explain individual terrorist motivations, say the authors, "public opinion appears to provide a useful indicator of terrorist activity."

"I think that this analysis is important and provides a piece of the puzzle," says intelligence expert Paul Pillar of Georgetown University. "The main thing is that it argues against views expressed by former President Bush and others that terrorists hate us because of our freedom and values, not our policies. This research refutes that."

Increased "disapproval of another country’s leaders and policies could result in more terrorist incidents for at least two reasons," says the study. First, greater disapproval could lead to more people funding and encouraging terrorists. Second, "a shift in public disapproval could increase the number of people willing to join terrorist cells and carry out terrorist acts."

"The implication is the effect of everything we do in a region like the Middle East has a public opinion effect associated with (terrorism)," Pillar says. While U.S. support of Israel and other unpopular policies in the Middle East may be unchangeable for reasons of domestic politics, he adds, "that doesn't mean we shouldn't have our eyes open about their effects."

The election of Barack Obama -- who opposed the war in Iraq, criticized the use of torture and detention of alleged terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, and offered to engage in “aggressive personal diplomacyâ€
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:44 pm

I'm having some trouble relating the results of this study to the real world.
" Barack Obama -- who opposed the war in Iraq, criticized the use of torture and detention of alleged terrorists"
All of the above is lies, so, how would someone know about the reflected results?
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:55 am

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NEW YORK — An Afghan immigrant plotted for more than a year to detonate homemade bombs in the United States, had recently bought bomb-making supplies from beauty supply stores and was looking for "urgent" help in the past two weeks to make explosives, an indictment charged Thursday.
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Post by Oldguy » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:17 pm

UglyDougly, FWIW, hydrogen peroxide was a key ingrediant in backpack bomb manufacture used in Great Britain's airport, and subway/ bus route bombings.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:32 pm

Yep, I won't say how well I know that one, but the mascara was funnier.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:18 am

Google HMDT, by the way. Acetone is not that useful without the right equipment, however.
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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:27 pm

Mount Vernon council shies away from Beck honor

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ethru.html

The Mount Vernon City Council has distanced itself from the mayor's plan to award radio and TV host Glenn Beck a key to the city on Saturday. The council also was presented with a petition from a group opposing the planned Beck event.

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MOUNT VERNON, Wash. —

The Mount Vernon City Council has distanced itself from the mayor's plan to award radio and TV host Glenn Beck a key to the city on Saturday. The council also was presented with a petition from a group opposing the planned Beck event.

Councilman Dale Ragan's resolution states that the "Mount Vernon City Council is in no way sponsoring the Mayor's event on Sept. 26, 2009, and is not connected to the Glenn Beck event in any manner." The Seattle Times reports the seven council members approved the resolution unanimously Wednesday night.

Mayor Bud Norris has declared Saturday "Glenn Beck Day" to honor the nationally known broadcaster who grew up in Mount Vernon. The Skagit Valley Herald reports Beck got his start in radio in Mount Vernon.

In July, Beck said he believes President Barack Obama is a racist.

Members of the Seattle "progressive advocacy group" Fuse gave the council a petition accusing Beck of fear mongering and race baiting.

Norris says he's had no second thoughts. He says he simply wanted to honor someone who grew up in his city and is now on the national stage.
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:04 pm

Both acetone and hydrogen peroxide are practically useless for explosives. Concentrated hydrogen peroxide is way to unstable. It;s used in rocket motors. Acetone is nothing special. Methyl ethyl ketone peroxide is pretty good though. It's catalyst for polyester resin.
On a different note;

We already know that Iran has no capability for making nuclear weapons. We also know that Russia, China and India oppose any attack on Iran. Japan must oppose it too because 100 % of their oil goes through the straits of Hormuz. I'm sure that there are other countries that have not spoken up either.
The center of the "push" from the U.S. is to secure pipeline rights and access from the Caspian basin and central Asia. We're willing to blow the crap our of any adversary who wants to deny access to this oil. Problem is that the East wants this oil too. It's in their backyard,,, and front yard too.
So, the U.S. plans to destroy any country that tries to block access. Out of necessity, the U.S would also have to destroy the countries that actually own this same oil. How else could we insure that we can steal it in the future?
So, the U.S. needs to overcome just about all of central Asia. Then, they [we] have to maintain control of central Asia to exclude the entire Sino-Soviet bloc from getting our oil.
We are actively trying to block Russia and China from this oil.
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"Russia has made it clear that any attack on Iran will be viewed as an attack on the strategic and vital interests of Russia. China and India have reason to view such an attack by the US or Israel in the same manner.

Just across the Iran - Armenia border is the capital of Yerevan Armenia.

Just south of that capital is an airbase that has Russian jet fighters and Russian pilots ready to respond to any US or Israel attack on Iran. My sources inform that they already have permission and are patrolling Iranian air space.

That is just a hint for the clueless that seem to miss hints or even when slapped across the room still do not get it. Any US or Israel attack into Iran is probably going to be met by Russian pilots and Russian fighter jets.

That's without mentioning thousands of missiles.

China and Russia hold just under $ 1.7 trillion of treasury and agency debt.
The U.S. [you and me] is totally insolvent. We've been substituting debt for wealth. We're propped up by foreign bond buyers.
The EU is totally dependent on Russian gas.
The west is completely dependent on the Sino-Soviet bloc for energy and financial support.
Germany, Hong Kong and the Arabs have pulled all their gold out of the U.S. and GB. That way, they're not held hostage by foreign holdings of their tangibles.
The Chinese and Russians watch us bleed ourselves to insolvency trying to steal eastern oil. The longer that they bide their time, the closer we are to crashing by ourselves. They don't have to do anything overt to see us blow away. Our fate was sealed years ago. When we substituted credit bubbles for productivity, we condemned the country.

The American hegemon has SERIOUSLY over reached. Imagine trying to conquer and control all of central Asia,,,, while blocking Russia and China. The Sino-Soviet bloc is more than happy to watch us implode.
History is quite clear.
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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:45 pm

Greenspan admits Iraq was about oil, as deaths put at 1.2m

* Peter Beaumont and Joanna Walters in New York
* The Observer, Sunday 16 September 2007
* Article history

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/se ... aqtimeline

The man once regarded as the world's most powerful banker has bluntly declared that the Iraq war was 'largely' about oil.

Appointed by Ronald Reagan in 1987 and retired last year after serving four presidents, Alan Greenspan has been the leading Republican economist for a generation and his utterings instantly moved world markets.

In his long-awaited memoir - out tomorrow in the US - Greenspan, 81, who served as chairman of the US Federal Reserve for almost two decades, writes: 'I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.'

In The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World, he is also crystal clear on his opinion of his last two bosses, harshly criticising George W Bush for 'abandoning fiscal constraint' and praising Bill Clinton's anti-deficit policies during the Nineties as 'an act of political courage'. He also speaks of Clinton's sharp and 'curious' mind, and 'old-fashioned' caution about the dangers of debt.

Greenspan's damning comments about the war come as a survey of Iraqis, which was released last week, claims that up to 1.2 million people may have died because of the conflict in Iraq - lending weight to a 2006 survey in the Lancet that reported similarly high levels.

More than one million deaths were already being suggested by anti-war campaigners, but such high counts have consistently been rejected by US and UK officials. The estimates, extrapolated from a sample of 1,461 adults around the country, were collected by a British polling agency, ORB, which asked a random selection of Iraqis how many people living in their household had died as a result of the violence rather than from natural causes.

Previous estimates gave a range between 390,000 and 940,000, the most prominent of which - collected by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and reported in the Lancet in October 2006 - suggested 654,965 deaths.

Although the household survey was carried out by a polling organisation, rather than researchers, it has again raised the spectre that the 2003 invasion has caused a far more substantial death toll than officially acknowledged.

The ORB survey follows an earlier report by the organisation which suggested that one in four Iraqi adults had lost a family member to violence. The latest survey suggests that in Baghdad that number is as high as one in two. If true, these latest figures would suggest the death toll in Iraq now exceeds that of the Rwandan genocide in which about 800,000 died.

The Lancet survey was criticised by some experts and by George Bush and British officials. In private, however, the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser Sir Roy Anderson described it as 'close to best practice'.
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Post by dr.placebo » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:43 pm

While politics in Australia is probably just as maddening as it is anywhere else, you have to give them points for style:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/15 ... _satanism/

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:22 pm

DAng it, placebo. You missed this link: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/09 ... paul_city/
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:38 pm

The outcome of war is decided more and more by who has the best missiles.
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economi ... ia_india-0 It doesn't matter if you have a $2 billion dollar plane if a $ 50,000 missile will take it down. The US has lost supremacy in missile development. The Russian "Sunburn" and "Onyx" missiles will take out our entire navy according to the pentagon.
Now, Russia and India have designed a new missile that will take out anything. It's doubtful that America can catch up. We have space weapons and scalar weapons and weather weapons but, they only fit certain applications.
The Russians and Indians are now developing this missile.
The western military spends way too much time inventing boogeymen and then defending from these boogeymen. If a East--West war looks to be un-winable, maybe the US military will let go of the stranglehold on the US budget.
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Post by Elderberry » Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:37 pm

The most interesting part of this story to me is Russia and India working on this together.

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