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Re: Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night....II

Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:03 am

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Post by Skuzzy61 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:24 am

forty_eight wrote:
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That is just sad. They have done a masterful job of getting the populace to lower expectations. You thinking this is the best we can expect and accepting it, is just so wrong. Truly sad.
Perhaps it is "they" who have you thinking something ... you may have been eating turd sandwiches the whole time.

I argue that we have been.

Name the election where we had these great, noble candidates.

How about our last great President - the one that met or exceeded expectations?

Who are these people? Name 'em. Seems like it should be simple, right?

The bottom line is we get the candidates we deserve. This is on us. Democracy in action.

When do WE take responsibility for all of this?

Blaming the candidates for sucking who got nominated by the people in their parties isn't parsing responsibility out correctly.

If they suck, the people that chose them suck. This is how it works.

No faux nostalgia or anything else can save us from our own choices.

People ran. People voted. People got nominated. One of them will become President.

If there were better options that could make it through that process, they would have - but here we are ... so, don't blame the candidates. Blame the people who voted for them - you know Americans.

All this hand wringing over some halcyon days gone by is really surprising, but I'm interested to know when we were last there and how we might get back, or go forward. Or, whatever.
In my life time I am finding it difficult to find a pair of candidates which are worse than what we have to chose from today.

You do not seem to understand who picks the candidates for us to vote for. Has nothing to do with democracy. At the end of the day, the parties put up who they think have the best chance of winning. The process of which has never been more manipulated, than with this election.

I do agree, the people who chose these candidates do suck, but those choices were not "our" own. They were the parties own.

I never said anything about "some halcyon days gone by".

I have been discussing the here and now. Hear and now, we have two of the worst candidates ever foisted on the American public running for the highest position in our government. Surely we can agree on that.

Our power is in our vote. That is where we can make them (the parties) take notice that we are not going to accept mediocrity any longer. If we do not send that message, we then fail and we get what we deserve.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:26 am

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Post by forty_eight » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:23 pm

it could be argued the DNC acted completely rationally

bernie wasn't one of them

hillary clearly was

politics happen

skulduggery is and has always been a thing

we're either being willfully ignorant or ... i don't know.

there is literally nothing new under the sun

this time or any other time

declarations about it being the worst just don't resonate with me because there have always been contrived choices

nothing new

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Post by forty_eight » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:25 pm

and what about trump as a candidate

who is to blame if not the people?

the rnc didn't want him

didn't take him seriously

and he prevailed

people want this

they want them

this is us

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Post by forty_eight » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:27 pm

i think both the dnc and rnc made mistakes, but they nominally represent the people in their parties

this is about us as nation

when you point a finger, four are pointing back at you type of thing

we need a national moment of self awareness

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Post by Skuzzy61 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:53 pm

forty_eight wrote:i think both the dnc and rnc made mistakes, but they nominally represent the people in their parties

this is about us as nation

when you point a finger, four are pointing back at you type of thing

we need a national moment of self awareness
Well, took a bit, but you came around. One down, 320M to go. :)
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Post by forty_eight » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:20 pm

Skuzzy61 wrote:
Well, took a bit, but you came around. One down, 320M to go. :)
haha, yeah i really don't like either of them

i still think there is a lot of hyperbole and misaligned expectations around the process and the candidates it produced

such outrage when it is par for the course and to be expected, pretty much

it's telling that no one has been like:

the ticket in 'XX - either of those candidates who could honorably and ably serve

it is easy to say in a generality

a lot harder to name names and contests

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Post by BBadger » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:24 pm

forty_eight wrote:it could be argued the DNC acted completely rationally
I definitely think they did! This is further a reason why this debased organization needs to be punished.

Their actions are like what you might see in regressive regimes in places like Venezuela or Iraq, where an election is used merely to legitimatize the regime in the eyes of the world, and give the semblance that the people have any say. They'll claim fair elections and yet use every method at their disposal short of blatant fraud to suppress the opposition from control of media and withholding resources that could level the playing field, to outright collusion by "neutral" officials to undermine one candidate.

I thought it was funny that someone like the former DNC chair Wasserman Schultz, who was shown to have participated in the election rigging, landed a job in the victorious regime seems straight out of a Venezuelan type political system (though rumor is that she was pretty much disliked by everyone but had enough dirt to become well compensated).

Respecting the candidate of a rigged election is like believing a confession at a show-trial. The DNC should've just skipped the formalities and just outright coronated Clinton.

In the end, if the DNC is not going to play by the rules they supposedly uphold, they need to be punished for their actions. I think this conviction may still have an impact on the election. The Democrat mainstream has certainly been pushing really hard to undermine peoples' convictions with regards to altruistic punishment.
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Post by Chowski » Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:41 pm

Well, BBadger, since you called it the Democrat Mainstream, and not the Democratic Mainstream, we can deduce that you get your information from either Faux News or one of the screeching, squealing radical rightwing fringe radio shows. The party is called the "Democratic" party. So you're either ignorant or steeped in propaganda. Frankly, it does not matter which.

Here's my say on this insipid thread which appears to be composed entirely of whining Libertardians and Bernie Babies:

Hillary Clinton won the primary fair and square. The Democratic Party is a private organization which owes nothing to Bernie Sanders, a registered Socialist. We, the members of the Democratic Party chose Hillary over Bernie because she has more experience and more power. the question now is, will YOU be voting for the orange-faced, racist, sexual assaulter Parasite billionaire with no experience or ideas, or will you be voting for Hillary Clinton, the most singularly-qualified person EVER to run for the office of the president?

If what you want to do is bitch about her emails and Benghazzi and cankles and Monica, you are lost to the bullshit bubble of the radical right wing, and I don't really care if you ever pull your head out of Rush Limbaugh's asshole. If you are still licking your pathetic wounds because you really, really wanted Bernie Sanders to give you free college, and you finally got involved in a political season and lost in the primaries, well you've learned a lesson. Politics is hard, and socialists don't win elections in America. Hillary won because she has fought for decades to build a coalition to help her win. And that is why she is going to be our president. And you're going to have to pay for your own damn college. Whaaaaaaaa!

It's not "rigged", Hillary didn't "cheat". She's smarter than Bernie and she's smarter than Trump (and my last bowel movement is smarter than the entire libertarian party combined). She has brushed off DECADES of pathetic, angry men who have tried in vain to destroy her, and she is going to be a great president.

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Post by forty_eight » Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:23 pm

Bernie is an Independent, though.

No need to "Socialism Shame" him, lol.

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:49 am

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:42 am

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Post by Skuzzy61 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:56 am

Hillary has not proven she will be a great President. That is opinion with no basis in fact.

She has proven to be a power monger, a liar, and cannot be trusted. Those do have a basis in fact.

All that aside, I figure the best we will get from Hillary is what Obama has been giving us. My opinion, with no basis in fact.

By the way, I am not a Libertarian. I am just a disgusted American who yearns for better. Now, what the definition of "better" is to you and me could be vastly different. I know people who think "better" is making the break for socialism. There are those who think a dictatorship would be better. There are those who think democracy should be flushed for anything. There are those who think all wealth should be distributed equally among all citizens. There are those who think big business should be taxed 100%. There are those who think all the tax dollars should go to building a bigger and better military. And so on....

It is quite the grab bag.
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Post by forty_eight » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:29 pm

Alexis de Tocqueville isn't convinced:

"I do not know if the people of the United States would vote for superior men if they ran for office, but there can be no doubt that such men do not run.”

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Post by ACfromSAC » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:48 pm

Nah. Definitely a disgruntled Berner checking in but more so a disgruntled American checking in who doesn't want someone with Hillary's hunger for wealth and power anywhere near the top office in the country. Fuck me for wanting a president who puts the people first, right?

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:36 am

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Post by ygmir » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:45 am

and yet people support and even say she is a good candidate.......yeah, "head in the sand" much?
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Post by lucky420 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:21 am

nope not one bit. it sure is funny how you keep posting all the negative rumor shit about clinton. I dont see you ever posting much about agent orange. oh well that is your perogitive..
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Post by Dr. Pyro » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:16 am

People, people, people, let's keep this civil. You're beginning to sound like a certain Texan I know. Lucky, I don't think it's so much that Yggy et al. have not posted negative things about the Tangerine Tornado--there's certainly plenty to go around if you look at Mrs. Clinton's TV ads that ran during The World Series--it's just that so much keeps piling up it's pretty hard to ignore. I'm pretty certain that had Mr. Trump ridden on the same plane to a "pleasure resort" with convicted pedophile as did both Bill and Hillary, we would have heard about it. Ditto for pay-for-play, putting national security at risk, et cetera. Too bad Vincent Foster isn't here to testify.

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Post by lucky420 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:44 am

Who me? I'm being civil, just pointing out what I see as I see it. But Im also really near sighted (on par with Mr. Magoo) so things may not be as they appear. :shock:
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Post by lucky420 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:46 am

oh and I believe trump is facing a trial later this month in NY for the rape of a 13 year old girl. so there's that
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:29 am

latest polls put giant meteor ahead in all 50 states.


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Post by Dr. Pyro » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:56 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:latest polls put giant meteor ahead in all 50 states.


http://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasa-an ... g-exercise
After reading that, all I can say is that I hope the Dodgers are at home on September 20, 2020.

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Post by Skuzzy61 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:01 pm

Well, I did my bit and did not vote for either of them. I know Johnson has zero chance of winning, but he sure looks better than the other two.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:38 pm

im afraid no one is going to win in this election.




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Post by lucky420 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:12 pm

Skuzzy61 wrote:Well, I did my bit and did not vote for either of them. I know Johnson has zero chance of winning, but he sure looks better than the other two.

Yeah he's a smart one; Aleppo, Calderon :roll:
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Post by ygmir » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:01 pm

I don't post much Trumpcrap, because most are posting it already. And I see people fawning over Clinton, and some even saying she's a "good person who gets picked on". So, just countering.
and understand, I don't support Trump,no, I don't.
I just can't understand the hypocrisy, of saying Clinton is "not as bad"......that is very subjective, in the overall. and degrees.
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Post by Skuzzy61 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:42 am

lucky420 wrote:
Skuzzy61 wrote:Well, I did my bit and did not vote for either of them. I know Johnson has zero chance of winning, but he sure looks better than the other two.

Yeah he's a smart one; Aleppo, Calderon :roll:
And he still looks better than the other two.
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