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Post by lucky420 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:45 am

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lucky420 wrote:For the fact that you referenced some false ass bullshit from the enquirer? Yeah, that's still pretty fucking stupid and laughable.

Laughing that our country us now represented by a mysoginist,racist, islamaphobic, fear mongering cretin?

Not one fucking bit
Lucky, we've known each other for a long time and have been friends all that time. The reason (and remember, I'm no Trump guy) I believe he won is that people actually believe he is (and I quote) "..a mysoginist, racist, islamophobic, fear mongering cretin..." and in reality nothing could be further from the truth. I believe Middle America is tired of being called names and having their values denigrated when all they really want is a better life for themselves and their children. Is he my cup of tea? No. But he has supported the rights of the LGBT community (remember, Hillary before running for president said marriage should only be between a man and a woman whereas Trump said he will open all restrooms in all of his properties to the transgender community to use whichever he/she chooses) but that is never reported. We'll survive this but we need to be civil, not use the foulest language imaginable when we disagree, and we all can live to see another day. Isn't that, in the end, what we all strive for?
By his own words and actions I define him as cretin. I think the ones who voted for him are going to feel sorely mislead and disappointed.
I don't like him and will not support him as he stands now. Yes, we will survive this but at what cost?


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Post by LowePro » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:15 am

A locally relevant and very real consequence is that the Pres Elect will assign a new cabinet, including Secretary of Interior, who will oversee the BLM. The short list for DOI Secretary includes oil company execs. Dust for thought....

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Post by forty_eight » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:00 pm

Good thing I'm not a betting kind of person, sheesh.

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Post by Captain Goddammit » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:33 pm

Look at it this way, everyone.
At least it's NOT Hillary, and at least we are giving a crack at a non-career-politician.
People have wanted that for years. Maybe this isn't the guy they envisioned, but at least he's from the business world and not the professional politician world.
And did I mention he's NOT Hillary?
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Post by Elderberry » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:38 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:Look at it this way, everyone.
At least it's NOT Hillary, and at least we are giving a crack at a non-career-politician.
People have wanted that for years. Maybe this isn't the guy they envisioned, but at least he's from the business world and not the professional politician world.
And did I mention he's NOT Hillary?
He ain't all that good at being a business man either.
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Post by Ratty » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:50 pm

Capt. The riots in the street are embarrassing. I know it's happening all over the country but here in the bay area it's rampant. Employees were late today because these nitwits decided to mob the freeway. Yes, somebody got ran over. Really people? Most of them are just out for the fun of it. The camera shows them smiling and drinking. I realize it's a shock but setting trash cans on fire is so juvenile. I'm definitely no fan of Mr. Trump. I can't think of anything we agree on. That said, he won't be the worst president we've ever had. (Or the least popular. http://www.civilwar.org/hallowed-ground ... oogle.com/ ). I'll watch my investments closely. That worries me because I would like to retire next year.
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Post by BBadger » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:24 pm

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Post by BBadger » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:26 am

Some statistics:
  • Clinton won the popular vote, but only by 202,000 votes out of roughly 120 Million. Just 0.17% of the vote separated the two (59,814,018 - 59,611,678) / (59,611,678 + 59,814,018)) (LA Times)
  • Clinton lost Michigan and Wisconsin -- and in turn, the election -- by 40,000 votes. Those two states would have changed the balance of electoral votes to 254 vs 253, even though probably causing riots. She lost by 13,000 votes in Michigan (out of 4.5M) and 27,000 votes in Wisconsin (out of 1.8M). Pennsylvania was close too, at 70,000/5.7M. Both Michigan and Wisconsin Clinton's team expected to carry, and therefore were neglected in the last few weeks to concentrate on other swing states that never materialized into votes. Don't count your chickens until they're hatched!
  • According to a USA Today exit poll, the Trump drew nearly equal support from the lower and upper middle class. In effect, Trump didn't win only from the stereotypical po' white trash, but from people who are actually doing pretty well. The Atlantic speculates that this had to do with dissatisfaction with Obamacare and its effects on the middle class, especially the news of 25% hikes this coming year.
Maybe defeat snatched from the jaws of victory, but really Clinton should have had a far greater lead to truly affirm her as the choice of the American public. A nearly perfect 50/50 split is a sign of deep divisions and systemic problems. We'll see how Trump weathers it.
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Post by GreyCoyote » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:18 am

The only clear winner for the next 4 years is Orville Reddenbacher.
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Post by lucky420 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:57 am

GreyCoyote wrote:The only clear winner for the next 4 years is Orville Reddenbacher.

:lol:
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Post by Jackass » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:10 am

GreyCoyote wrote:The only clear winner for the next 4 years is Orville Reddenbacher.
And General Mills cereals....mmm
Sooner or later, it will get real strange...

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Post by some seeing eye » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:26 am

Russia says it was in touch with Trump's campaign during election

By Andrew Osborn | REUTERS/MOSCOW
The Russian government was in touch with members of President-elect Donald Trump's political team during the U.S. election campaign and knows most of his entourage, one of Russia's most senior diplomats told the Interfax news agency on Thursday.

Accused by defeated Democratic contender Hillary Clinton of being a puppet of President Vladimir Putin after praising the Russian leader, Trump has dismissed suggestions he had anything to do with the Russian government during the campaign.

But in comments that could prove politically awkward for the president-elect, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said there had indeed been some communications.

"There were contacts," Interfax cited Ryabkov as saying. "We are doing this and have been doing this during the election campaign."

Such contacts would continue, he added, saying the Russian government knew and had been in touch with many of Trump's closest allies. He did not name names.

"Obviously, we know most of the people from his (Trump's)entourage. Those people have always been in the limelight in the United States and have occupied high-ranking positions," he said.

"I cannot say that all of them, but quite a few have been staying in touch with Russian representatives."

Moscow was just beginning to consider how to go about setting up more formal channels to communicate with the future Trump administration, said Ryabkov.

A spokeswoman for Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation opened a preliminary inquiry in recent months into allegations that Trump or his associates might have had questionable dealings with Russian people or businesses, but found no evidence to warrant opening a full investigation, according to sources familiar with the matter. The agency has not publicly discussed the probe.

The U.S. government has blamed Russia for cyber attacks on Democratic Party organizations.

Trump, who has spoken of his desire to improve tattered U.S.-Russia ties, has said he might meet Putin before his inauguration, but Putin's spokesman has said there are currently no plans for such a meeting.

Interfax reported on Wednesday that Dmitry Peskov, Putin's spokesman, would be in New York this week for a chess tournament, a few blocks from Trump Tower, where the president-elect has his office.

But it cited Peskov as saying he did not plan to pass any message to Trump from Putin.

The Russian parliament erupted in applause on Wednesday when it heard that Trump had been elected and Putin told foreign ambassadors he was ready to fully restore ties with Washington.

Ryabkov was more circumspect though, saying the Russian Foreign Ministry felt no euphoria about the Republican's win despite wanting to normalise relations with Washington.

Moscow and Washington are at odds over Syria, Ukraine and NATO.

Ryabkov said Trump's allies had made some tough statements about Russia during the campaign and that his ministry was therefore not harbouring any "rose-tinted" hopes.

"We are not expecting anything in particular from the new U.S. administration," Interfax cited Ryabkov as saying.

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Seriously we are losing probably the best BLM head we could have, on the other hand, the new policy (under Secretary of Interior Palin?) could be to sell off BLM land or transfer it to the states who could sell it off, like Hualapai Playa.
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Seriously we are losing probably the best BLM head we could have, on the other hand, the new policy (under Secretary of Interior Palin?) could be to sell off BLM land or transfer it to the states who could sell it off, like Hualapai Playa.
If it brings back the drive-by and new and improved fly-by shooting range to the Playa ... I can live with that.

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Post by Dr. Pyro » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:08 am

Yup, it's always somebody else's fault. It's impossible for these people to step up and admit they made a mistake. It's not in their DNA, which is precisely why they lost the election. Arrogance and over-confidence is not a winning strategy. One or the other, yes, but both is a lethal combination. They had it coming.

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Post by Elliot » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:30 am

Permission to briefly visit ePlaya’s political neighborhood?

Trump now appears less obnoxious, beginning with his acceptance speech.

Is it possible… that he deliberately played the buffoon in order to corral for himself a previously unidentified voter block, which was scattered but huge – the “Bubba vote”; the “Dunning-Kruger demographic”?

Is he that smart?
His business performance record is dominated by bankruptcies, suggesting not smart. But he inherited enough money to burn most of it and never know the difference.

So, is he that devious?
Maybe.

The Bubba vote, yes. But how did he recruit so many ladies to vote for him?
That… I can actually explain:

Bill Clinton, famed philanderer….
After his eight years in office, Bill Clinton visited my native Norway. His speech drew surprising interest from Norwegian women – normally not known for bimbo-ish behavior.

Shortly thereafter, I also went to Norway, to visit my mother. She spoke dreamily of Bill Clinton. It seems quite clear that my mother would have happily waited in line to give Bill Clinton a blow job, if such an opportunity had come her way.

Some men have that kind of pull on women. My brother has 110% of it, and I have none. My brother once told me it is all about eye contact. But from afar?

I believe it has to do with an aura of self-confidence – an element of facial expression and body language, subtle but powerful, and perceivable almost exclusively by ladies.

And Trump probably has it.
The bad boy thing. The James Dean thing. Related to Stockholm syndrome.

Of course….
Even if Trump is actually less irrational and obnoxious than what we saw for several months, he is bad news.
It may be helpful to understand him better – “Know thy enemy” -- which is why I toss this speculation out here.

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Post by DoctorIknow » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:49 pm

Elliot wrote: Trump now appears less obnoxious, beginning with his acceptance speech.
And then when his handlers gave him back his twitter, first thing after meeting with Obama was to tweet about professional protesters, the media is responsible, and very unfair....so, yeah, The Donald will always be The Donald.


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Post by Elliot » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:24 pm

Ah. Well, so much for my hypothesis. :lol:

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Post by ygmir » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:45 pm

Elliot wrote:Ah. Well, so much for my hypothesis. :lol:
well, a "right triangle" does only have one longest side, after all...........
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Post by BBadger » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:15 pm

Elliot wrote:Is he that smart?
His business performance record is dominated by bankruptcies, suggesting not smart. But he inherited enough money to burn most of it and never know the difference.
Not all bankruptcies are created equal. Whereas bankruptcy for us plebs means that we get a credit blemish for 7 years and lose most of our possessions, Trump's bankruptcies are business bankruptcies involving business ventures, mostly casinos, that acquired too much debt and needed their loans restructured. The companies don't generally go away, they just settle for different terms, like losing some stake in the company for better loan rates.

While a bankruptcy indicates that the business didn't perform profitably, it also doesn't necessarily mean a failure on part of Trump as a businessman, or necessarily impact his ability to continue to do business.

Bankruptcies are a part of doing business. Not all businesses are successful, and if you've got many different ventures, they're not all going to succeed. What should be noted is that Trump has not, for the most part, suffered personally for his bankruptcies, and perhaps even benefited. Trump is a pretty successful business person, and savvy in his own right. He is not stupid, and he while he did inherit receive a sizeable amount of money to start with, and took over his father's business, the bulk of Trump's fortune was through his own business ventures.
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Post by Elliot » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:42 pm

BBadger wrote:... ... What should be noted is that Trump has not, for the most part, suffered personally for his bankruptcies, and perhaps even benefited. ... ...
Noted. Thanks.

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Post by tatonka » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:53 pm

Having protests in Portland , thats fine and all , but the defaced the elk statue in town :( It was a nice piece of art , They are also burning the flag , which kinda erks me cause Im a vet . But I like the way Bill explains it . :)

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Post by BBadger » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:19 pm

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Post by tatonka » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:39 pm

Global Traveler wrote:Whats the topic exactly?
its About some guy that no one likes became president , but most people are ok with it cause it wasnt Hillairy . But it could have been Bernie as pres , cause the Dems fucked up and chose the evil queen.
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