Coup de etat, U.S. military

[can't sit still]

If the U.S. military staged a coup de etat to restore legitimate representative government, would you oppose them?

Military officers have sworn to uphold the constitution. There have been several recent instances where the military has opposed the plans of GOV. Everyone knows that it happened in Barksdale. Gen. Petraeus has been a vocal opponent of some policies. Both the former head of the war college and the head of military intelligence have come out and said that 9/11 was a fraud. The military has found it's own voice.
They are used to being used as a blunt instrument for foreign policy. They do not like being used as an endless killing machine, especially for pure profit. The grunts have had enough. The suicide rate is as high as the casualty rate.

They all know that they were forbidden to win in both Korea and Viet Nam. They see the current wars as being pointless, endless, unjust and religiously motivated.... not to mention deadly. They feel quite disposable. When / IF they return, they are treated as cast-offs. They feel no esprit de corps waging a genocidal war-for-profit. They deserve much better.

Damn, I tried to post this as a poll. No luck

[ygmir]

that's a bit to wide open for me.........it'd depend on their stated goals and policies.

I'm totally for throwing ALL the bums out, good (as if), and bad.

But, there's also "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't".......

If the military overthrew, then, put Nancy Pelosi/Jesse Jackson in charge.....welllllllll........

[Ranger Genius]

CSS: Here's a thought for you. When you don't know shit about a topic, maybe you should just shut your fucking face. Seriously. You're an imbecile. I suspect that at some point, someone did you a grave disservice by telling you that you were exceptional, bright or intelligent. That person was wrong. Reevaluate accordingly.

Next time you have a thought, lie down until it passes.

[Risky]

That was rude.

Edited to add CSS's signature line -
I don't post things because I believe that they are the absolute truth. I post them because I believe that they should be considered.

[mdmf007]

Would I support a Coup by our US military?

Hell no - Thats not how change is accomplished in our country. That is how change is made in Places like Panama, Indonesia, Cuba, and Thailand... Not a list I want to be part of.

Was this question completely off the cuff or what?

[Ranger Genius]

That was rude.

You think so? Gee, it wasn't meant to be.

[Risky]

Your axe must be sharp now.

[rodiponer]

Was this question completely off the cuff or what?

Probably not, have you listened to AM radio lately? They've gone absolutely nuts. I've never heard their rhetoric so over heated and far beyond reality. In the past week, I've heard a debate on whether Obama should be assassinated, calls to start stockpiling weapons for the imminent civil war. and discussions of what kinds of domestic terrorism is justified.

[can't sit still]

"Hell no - Thats not how change is accomplished in our country."
Change in our country is not doing so well. It's all been for the worse. By definition, we've become fascist. We're completely broke. 1 % of adults are in the prison system. The welfare state is going belly-up.
I started the "winter" thread before things were obvious to most people. I was going to start it in'05 but, I didn't believe that anybody would see what I saw.
Once again, I'm about 2-- 2 1/2 years early. Obviously, the idea needs to lie dormant until the times produce the expected results. Historical precedent expects a collapse, a war and a dictator.
One has to look at the natural progression of;
1. Keynesian economics
2. fractional reserve banking.
3. Democracy.
None of them ever work in the long run. The U.S. has had a "good run" but, the game is winding down rapidly. We had the advantage over the East because we made war on credit. We extended the empire but,we overreached. Historically, no country has survived when debt reached past 90 % of GDP. If you include the unfunded liabilities, our debt is 750 % of GDP. Our average debt maturity is 4.4 years.

We can't inflate it away because the money supply is shrinking. Even if we default, the social upheaval will wreck society. We are all to ready to judge the future by the past. History says that stability never lasts. I'll give it a couple of years until unemployment hits 50 % and then y'all can reconsider the question.

[Trishntek]

CSS, I did not see a source for your initial post regarding when military brass expressed 9/11 fraud and disagreements with administration. Was that posted long ago in a thread far, far away? Curious minds want to know!

[Ugly Dougly]

Normally coups d'etat aren't done for principles, only power. I expect the country's first black president to be the target of such rhetoric, and I expect it to be cloaked in talk about principles and democracy. Whether I resist it or not and how I do it is my own concern.

[Fire_Moose]

meet me on the playa dec. 10th 2012, ill have a buncha fun stuff for us when the fecal matter hits the oscillating device

[Trishntek]

meet me on the playa dec. 10th 2012, ill have a buncha fun stuff for us when the fecal matter hits the oscillating device

That's the spirit! By the 21st maybe the whole world will be playa!

[can't sit still]

Trish, I stalled some to see if anyone would supply the links. The knowledge seems to be well dispersed.
Ever since the Danish scientist went public with the fact that huge amounts of nano-thermate was found all over New York, the military has been testing the waters of disclosure. The claim is that the nano-thermate could only have come from Dimona in israel.

There is an interview with General Stubblebine. He retired some time ago but, I imagine that he still has some contacts;

There is also Dr. Alan Sabrosky, the former head of the war college. He claims that israel was behind the attack in New York;
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/36246
It is, of course, possible that these 2 are just loose cannons. Dunno.

The other time that the military showed great independence was at Barksdale AF base. The shit-for-brains neocons had pried some nukes out of the armory in Minot AF base, mounted them in the bomb pylons on a B-52, and then sent them to Barksdale AF base. Barksdale is the forward supply base for the Iraq theater.
AF intelligence at Barksdale went into full revolt.
The shit really hit the fan. They immediately published the account in a military newsletter. It was a big wakeup call and had a lot of fallout;
http://slumz.boxden.com/f175/missing-nu ... n-1005557/
Gen Petraeus also came out and said that israeli policy was endangering American troops.

The point that I'm making is that the U.S. military is finding it's own voice.
You would have to do your own follow-up on all this stuff to get your own idea of accuracy.



The military are also concerned about divided loyalties. Many are concerned about the location of his birth. The latest opinions seem to say that it doesn't matter. He isn't eligible anyway;
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/05/17/ ... t-qualify/
It's all stuff to be examined and tossed or verified. The lazy will toss or embrace it without critical examination.

[1durphul]

Was this question completely off the cuff or what?

Probably not, have you listened to AM radio lately? They've gone absolutely nuts. I've never heard their rhetoric so over heated and far beyond reality. In the past week, I've heard a debate on whether Obama should be assassinated, calls to start stockpiling weapons for the imminent civil war. and discussions of what kinds of domestic terrorism is justified.

It really has reached a level that I think probably parallels what happened in Rwanda, or even Germany before the start of World War II. I've had a very bad feeling for a couple of weeks now that we're about to reach a tipping point.

[can't sit still]

Your axe must be sharp now.

Risky, he's had much time to sharpen his axe. Near as I can recall, he started 5 years ago;
http://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic.php?t=11823

Any time that I post an idea that is new to the forum, he's right there. He waddles in like some demented, incontinent stenographer and dribbles dung on everything that he sees. When he's satisfied that he has exposed and expunged the heresy, he grabs his lance and rides off into the sunset.
Do you recall the expression on the face of the guy who lit up the MAN early? His little smirk told it all;
"anything that you can build,,,, I can easily tear down"
RG uses ballistae and catapult to battle those who have independent ideas. He fires barrages of little poisoned marshmallows against the bulwarks of fact and logic. Fact and logic are unnecessary to those who are only motivated to destroy.

I generally don't respond to his frequent deposits of shit. I have much faith in the E-Playans to see the proverbial unarmed man in the battle of wits. The presentation of logic, facts, reason and persuasion is beyond him so, he dribbles dung. I try to step over it.

[Ranger Genius]

Yes, those soulless minions of orthodoxy who believe in the laws of thermodynamics. They're so reactionary.

And there's a difference between "having independent ideas" and "regurgitating any old horseshit you find and choose to believe, then backpedaling away from it when someone calls you on it."

Incidentally, if you still believe in "free energy" devices, I have some real estate you might find interesting. And a homeopathic cure for whatever ails you. Eternal life or your money back.

[Ugly Dougly]

You know, the UN has been spray-painting the backs of traffic signs in preparation for the invasion of the US.

Watch that fluoride in the drinking water, too!

[ygmir]

You know, the UN has been spray-painting the backs of traffic signs in preparation for the invasion of the US.

Watch that fluoride in the drinking water, too!

Dougly:
the spray paint is for gang directions...........the bar codes are from the u.n............

one for looting, one for labor camps........

get it straight ,mister, or, you'll be re-edumacated........

[can't sit still]

I wouldn't go putting too much faith in the U.N.. In Srebrenica, they tied up 400 armed Dutch peacekeepers to telephone poles and massacred thousands of muslim males.

[1durphul]

I wouldn't go putting too much faith in the U.N.. In Srebrenica, they tied up 400 armed Dutch peacekeepers to telephone poles and massacred thousands of muslim males.

When I look at this incident the U.N. kind of reminds me of Star Trek, and the Federation's Prime Directive. The results of their inaction were terrible, but had the Dutch acted under U.N. authority it could have resulted in the destruction of the U.N.

Think about how this story would have read had the Dutch soldiers protected the civilians that day (a practice in alternate history:)

The Dutch soldiers open fire. Their presence up to that point as "peacekeepers" was a deterrent. Few civilians die in the battle that follows, the Dutch troops eventually turn away the Serbians. And then the shit hits the fan in the international press. Soldiers, acting under UN flag, acted without authorization, and now all UN peace keeping forces are being engaged across the former Yugoslavian republics. Now no country is willing to let the UN land on it's soil, and views any attempt to do so as an act of war.

[Ugly Dougly]

I wouldn't go putting too much faith in the U.N.. In Srebrenica, they tied up 400 armed Dutch peacekeepers to telephone poles and massacred thousands of muslim males.

Therefore they're invading the USA. Is that what you're saying?

[can't sit still]

I wouldn't go putting too much faith in the U.N.. In Srebrenica, they tied up 400 armed Dutch peacekeepers to telephone poles and massacred thousands of muslim males.

Therefore they're invading the USA. Is that what you're saying?

Precisely Dougly. They also plan to take over pot growing to finance world domination

[Ugly Dougly]

So I won't bother taking you seriously.

[can't sit still]

You know, the UN has been spray-painting the backs of traffic signs in preparation for the invasion of the US.

Was I supposed to be taking you seriously???
The U.N. was never allowed to have anything beyond a token military force. I wouldn't call them a "power player"

[rodiponer]

Was this question completely off the cuff or what?

Probably not, have you listened to AM radio lately? They've gone absolutely nuts. I've never heard their rhetoric so over heated and far beyond reality. In the past week, I've heard a debate on whether Obama should be assassinated, calls to start stockpiling weapons for the imminent civil war. and discussions of what kinds of domestic terrorism is justified.

It really has reached a level that I think probably parallels what happened in Rwanda, or even Germany before the start of World War II. I've had a very bad feeling for a couple of weeks now that we're about to reach a tipping point.

We aren't near a tipping point. These people are caught up in their own little media bubble. Those shows are an Orwellian 5 minute hate that lasts for hours a day. I feel bad for the people who have chosen to get caught up in this. I don't understand why they want to have their emotions manipulated like that. And I think they are getting their emotions dulled from so much exposure to heated thoughts like that, and that this is why it is getting more and more extreme. It is hate pornography, and they should be more careful with their brains. Spending hours a day allowing yourself to be emotionally manipulated into hate, well, I think those thought patterns can easily become a habit and integrated into your consciousness. It is self destructive, and I think it encourages terrorism.

But I do not think, aside from a few more Timothy McVeighs, small planes into IRS buildings, or nut jobs shooting cops, that this is mainstream at all. I think most Americans are think of terrorism, assassinations, coups, or the Civil War II as un-American and un-patriotic.

[Trishntek]

You know, the UN has been spray-painting the backs of traffic signs in preparation for the invasion of the US.

Was I supposed to be taking you seriously???
The U.N. was never allowed to have anything beyond a token military force. I wouldn't call them a "power player"

IMHO the U.N. is more a political power seeking global regulation. Militarily, all it takes is for our Commander and Chief to allow the U.S. Military to serve under U.N. authority. That makes them a potential power player under the wrong circumstances.

[Ranger Genius]

ITYM "the right circumstances."

Let's get some global fucking government already. Universal Human Rights, globally standard and enforced environmental regulation and international law enforcement with teeth. What's wrong with that.

I cast my 5 slaves' 3 votes for Peter Wiggin.

[Trishntek]

The top 7% income in the world is $30k and up. Global governance will naturally seek fairness in all things. That means the lowest common denominator becomes the standard of living. If the average income in the whole world is even half the above figure, we'll be standing in line for toilet paper in no time.

[can't sit still]

Trish, have you read the ideas of Hegel? http://rense.com/general77/sele.htm