Fake Internet at Burning Man-- bad idea?

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Fake Internet at Burning Man?

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Fake Internet at Burning Man-- bad idea?

Post by rodiponer » Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:59 am

I am making The Internut, a fake Internet, to bring to Burning Man.

And having second thoughts.

This is software to help people living in oppressive regimes that have turned off the Internet. People would install this software on their home computers, reconfigure their wifi routers, and blam, The Internut. A big multi-house network that forms itself and lets people message each other, and uses phones and laptops as carrier pigeons. A message could take a few hours, or a day, to travel from one side of the city to the other.

At Burning Man I will plant a few of these battery powered wifi stations in interested theme camps.

But as I am making this, I am starting to think-- this is evil. I shouldn't be making a reason for people to waste their time playing with their phones or laptops at the event, when there are so many wonderful people and experiences at hand. I feel that people using cell phones there is tragic (for them, mostly, but also a little for the people around them).

Or is this some kind of high strung b/s where I am projecting my own luddite idea of )*( on other people? What if some guy wants to sit in his RV during the afternoons and troll his buddies across the city while laughing at his screen and annoying everyone around him, isn't that his choice? And kind of funny anyways? And don't we need spam at Burning Man, to coordinate flash mobs or whatever weird memes or disinformation needs to be spread? I'd be proud of that, but as I make this machine, I keep thinking of the people in Center Camp with their laptops and iPhones, how I tend to feel a bit sad for them, that they should just let it all go for a week. They are there looking for The Internet, and I was thinking of giving them The Internut instead, but maybe even an absurd fake Internet just means more screen time and less immediate and random experiences.

So now I am thinking of scaling back The Internut. No wifi, email, or message board, just leaving the photo sharing part. Plug in your camera, and The Internut absorbs your photos and barfs couple thousand photos from other people onto your memory card.

What do you guys think?

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Post by Bob » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:34 am

Hilariously sad, if you don't realize what basic communication means to someone who spends weeks or months out there.

But I'd be totally into a fake 'Temple'.
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Post by Elderberry » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:03 am

If you have wifi routers that you can place around the city, why not use them to boost the real Internet that is already out there so that it is accessible throughout the city rather than just at center camp? (I'm sure many will not like this idea either as there is a constant war of words going on between those that want Internet and cell service there and those that feel it doesn't belong.)

My feeling on the other "fake" service, even just for file sharing, is that it would not be used very much if at all. It sounds both too complicated (installing software and configuring settings on devices to be able to use the service), and not really practical.

If I use Internet on the playa, it is only occasionally to check in with the office in case of emergencies. If it weren't for that, I wouldn't use it at all.

Even the picture sharing is something I wouldn't use there, as there is too much to see live. Not to mention half the fun once I get back to the real world, is waiting for other's pictures to start appearing on the Internet to remind me of all the fun I had while there.

But that's just my opinion. Your effort and willingness to contribute to the community is to be commended.
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Post by AntiM » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:31 am

Just go with fake stations which don't work at all. See how many get vandalized.

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Post by ConnieH » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:56 am

AntiM wrote:Just go with fake stations which don't work at all. See how many get vandalized.
Love that :)

One of my most favorite memories from last year was when one of our campmates put up a handwritten sign on the front of our bar that said "Free Wifi" - several people came into the bar with their iPhones looking for service and didn't get the joke...we laughed our asses off :lol: Evil, but oh so much fun!

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Post by TomServo » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:03 am

ConnieH wrote:
AntiM wrote:Just go with fake stations which don't work at all. See how many get vandalized.
Love that :)

One of my most favorite memories from last year was when one of our campmates put up a handwritten sign on the front of our bar that said "Free Wifi" - several people came into the bar with their iPhones looking for service and didn't get the joke...we laughed our asses off :lol: Evil, but oh so much fun!

You sick bastards! love it!
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Post by rodiponer » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:34 am

That is part of the joke, my wife wanted to make a fake Facebook with a sign up form like this:

- Full Name
- Social Security Number
- Real sexual orientation (not what your family thinks)
- Age you lost your virginity
- Upload a photo of yourself naked here

And then post the profiles...

No special software is needed to access The Internut, just a browser. The special software is turn a computer into a server, which I was going to bring as several boxes with motherboards and batteries inside. The netbook type motherboards, with no hard drive, would last about half the week on a car battery.

Thank you, Bob and jkisha for your perspective. I did not think anyone would want Interet connected messaging. This will only be my third year and I have not met many people outside of my village. I just assumed that anyone who is there for more than a week before the gates open has probably finagled Internet access through some channel. I've met folks who are not high on the organizational chart, just volunteering for some department, and are able to upload photos to the Internet during the event (which is very good access). So I thought that was universal among the very early.

I can do Internet connected messaging. If the attachments are stripped and the message length is limited to a few paragraphs, you can easily fit a more than a dozen emails into a 1 minute ($1.20) phone call on an Iridium phone. War and Peace is only about 3 megabytes, it's the photos and other garbage that comes with emails that is big.

But really, people would want it connected to the Internet?

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Post by Teo del Fuego » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:43 am

Mischief Camp did something similar in 2008 and 2009 by setting up fake internet kiosques in front of their camp on Esplanade. One kiosque was labeled BRC Webcam, the other was labeled Free Porn. Each computer greeted the viewer with a display that said "Welcome to Mischief Camp, right-click to start your session. " The right click did nothing other then deliver a mild shock to the metal strips on the side of the mouse. Punked Burners were then invited to our bar for a drink. It amused many Burners and the camp members greatly.

For the troll named Epic: you've already sent me and Mischief Camp e-mails threatening to beat us to a bloody pulp. We understand your disappointment at not delivering the porn as promised. Get over it.

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Post by Teo del Fuego » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:46 am

Bob wrote:Hilariously sad, if you don't realize what basic communication means to someone who spends weeks or months out there.
But I'd be totally into a fake 'Temple'.
I'd totally be into a Bob who got a life

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Post by TomServo » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:46 am

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:30 am

If it sounds like it might be fun, then fucking do it! :D

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Post by Savannah » Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:30 am

rodiponer, the creativity of this, all the questions this concept raises, its experimental nature, and the many possible positive/negative/conflicted reactions = Art, and you should exhibit something if you feel you need to. Real or fake. I like the idea of fake, weird or twisted internet, though, personally. I don't see the point of real. People who genuinely need "real" internet because of their children or their job should not be deterred on their way to seeking the real deal (though I could give a @#$% if people can connect to Facebook out there, and I hate audible one-sided cell phone conversations far more).

If you collect SSNs to make a point about the absurd things people are willing to share, I hope you cross-cut shred them after the event just in case someone was hopped up on pills and gave you a real one.

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Post by Dr. Pyro » Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:36 am

People fell for the fake portapotties. Fake internet? Brilliant!

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Post by Elliot » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:13 am

:D
Count me among the Luddites.

Technology as, or supporting, art; sure. But one of my reasons for going is to get away from as much of the Default World Stuff as possible.

That said, a faux internet cafe with hilarious content is a fun idea as an interactive art exhibit. I would probably not step inside, but there should be plenty to do for everyone.
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Post by Bounce530 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:21 am

Next, somebody will want a fake burn on a Tuesday or some such...oh wait..
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Post by moonrise » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:29 am

I think I fell for the fake port a potties!

Last year I didn't miss or use phone or internet, this year I have to check in ONCE, midweek *gasp* if I don't check in, I lose a gig/job, others have kids, stuff like that some of us cannot avoid.

I doubt I'd fall for a fake internet, but I'll volunteer to let you know if you fake me out.
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Post by Elderberry » Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:22 pm

Teo del Fuego wrote:Mischief Camp did something similar in 2008 and 2009 by setting up fake internet kiosques in front of their camp on Esplanade. One kiosque was labeled BRC Webcam, the other was labeled Free Porn. Each computer greeted the viewer with a display that said "Welcome to Mischief Camp, right-click to start your session. " The right click did nothing other then deliver a mild shock to the metal strips on the side of the mouse. Punked Burners were then invited to our bar for a drink. It amused many Burners and the camp members greatly.

For the troll named Epic: you've already sent me and Mischief Camp e-mails threatening to beat us to a bloody pulp. We understand your disappointment at not delivering the porn as promised. Get over it.
I was warned ahead of time. Frankly, I can understand someone threatening to beat you up. Had I been shocked, I might have smashed the kiosk myself NOT FUNNY IMHO
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Post by Savannah » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:26 pm

I can't say that I would have responded well to an electric shock either.

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Post by Lassen Forge » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:27 pm

Whatever form it takes, I see the art in this project, and think you should move forward on it. (Plus, hey, people would "get" the whole micronet thing... as long as it DIDN'T connect to the outside world.

Like the peeps with the i-phone, they would be trying tor their defaultia fix and NOT get it. By not getting it, maybe they would get it!!

ORRRRR......

Hell, set up an interconnected server, they go thru this huge sign-up procedure to access it, lotsa questions, make them so they have to re-do the form at least 2-3 times, click for the log-in screen - and it routes to a (fake) blue screen of death. With no return. Oops!!!

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Post by MisaBlue » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:32 pm

Dr. Pyro wrote:People fell for the fake portapotties.
I was about to say that :)

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I loved that!

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Post by mudpuppy000 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:27 pm

Bay Bridge Sue wrote:Whatever form it takes, I see the art in this project, and think you should move forward on it. (Plus, hey, people would "get" the whole micronet thing... as long as it DIDN'T connect to the outside world.

Like the peeps with the i-phone, they would be trying tor their defaultia fix and NOT get it. By not getting it, maybe they would get it!!

ORRRRR......

Hell, set up an interconnected server, they go thru this huge sign-up procedure to access it, lotsa questions, make them so they have to re-do the form at least 2-3 times, click for the log-in screen - and it routes to a (fake) blue screen of death. With no return. Oops!!!

Rock on...
Putting up some sort of fun and interactive art website would be pretty cool, even cooler if you could log in and interact with a physical art installation or with other people gathered around it.

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Post by AntiM » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:30 pm

Connect only to a faux and ridiculous porn site which wasn't titillating in the least. Sausages violating melons, and so on.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:34 pm

Savannah wrote:I can't say that I would have responded well to an electric shock either.
Back in '96, at the precompression named "Hell No, Hell Yes!" at the Somarts center, somebody had rigged up a soul removal chair. When you sat there and signed the contract for selling your soul, you got a very mild electrical shock in your fanny. :)

Always wanted to rig up something like that....

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Post by mudpuppy000 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:35 pm

AntiM wrote:Connect only to a faux and ridiculous porn site which wasn't titillating in the least. Sausages violating melons, and so on.
That would be awesome. It'd be great to have a place for people to leave messages for all to read to.

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Post by Lassen Forge » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:31 pm

AntiM wrote:Connect only to a faux and ridiculous porn site which wasn't titillating in the least. Sausages violating melons, and so on.

Sounds like a case of rabid vegisexualism. Beware the Broccoli Bush...

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That's sad... I got a screen that was a static "this video is private". No video. :( :cry:

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Post by Elderberry » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:39 pm

Me too. :(
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Post by Elliot » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:55 pm

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Post by rodiponer » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:04 pm

Vegetable porn would be perfect! I hesitate to ask Google if it exists... I mean, I'm sure it does, but I'm not sure it's as cute as I imagine it.

Or an error page that maps popular websites to porn sites:
** TWITTER.COM does not exist, did you mean TWATTER.COM? **

And Google search that changes whatever you search into porn:
** No results found for 'GMAIL', showing results for 'SHEMALE'. **

I wonder if there is a list of porn movie titles or words somewhere, to just automatically map anything people type in to one of them... Maybe one of those NetNanny programs has a list of forbidden words inside it.

If anyone wants something special to show up for any domain or search (apple, fox, amazon, burningman.com, whatever), send it to me as a JPG or HTML file, and I will include it in the system. Doesn't have to have vegetables or porn related.

Thanks guys, for the encouragement and perspective.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:42 pm

AntiM wrote:Sausages violating melons
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Post by FaeTora » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:49 pm

At the burn, my cell was in a bag, in the car trunck and never looked at. I only remembered it moments before ia left and thats they way I liked it... it reminded me of the days when people had to talk.. crazy concept I know.. to other people instead of relying of technology to make the bridge.
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