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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:33 pm

to start: Yes, I do know that it is seriously wrong to re-post a private message. In my opinion, when someone PMs in an attempt to intimidate or threaten, it becomes a different matter. I want everyone to have the opportunity to judge for his/herself what kind of coward and bully we're dealing with here.

In a message dated August 5th
blackkkk rock ric wrote:Crypto; You may remember your remarks concerning my daughter.

You may remember my employment. A key component of my work is finding hiding people. The contractor I work for in Las Vegas uses computer techies to assist him. Locations of, leading to photos and other personal information of, "clients" is relatively easy to get.

I did buy two tickets for BM this year. One for me, one for a partner I sometimes use. He should be easy to spot, he is African American and bigger than me and I am 6'2 and 220. We are normally 20-30 feet apart and will be carrying manila folders.. Pictures you know.

We do hope you will be there this year, it will be pleasant to make your aquaintance, see you at BM!
I do remember the remarks that I made about his daughters. I which he had indicated which set, so I will have to cover both.

I--Very soon after he had posted about the younger daughter shooting a mountain lion--which post indicated to me a certain pride in and affection for the daughter and a particular kind of relationship with her--he said something about wanting to live in an earlier century. I thought that was arrogant nonsence. Whatever his romanticized fantasies (and the Grinch is a romantic of the worst kind, IMHO) there simply wouldn't be room for that kind of relationship with his daughter. Depending on which century we're talking about (and I don't think he ever mentioned a particular date) she could well have been married. Depending on the culture she could have been a second wife in a bigomous/polygamous arrangement. So, I made some remarks about that. I believe I tried to arrange a marriage between her and Trey or else my beloved sock Rob the Wop. I knew at the time that these were offensive and potentially upsetting remarks. My point was the past he was dreamy-eyed about wasn't nessasarily the paradise he believed in. And if that's what set him off, in a back handed way, I did prove my point. He doesn't want his daughter to live in that sort of world. I don't want his daughter to live in that sort of world, yet even in this century the sexuality of young women is in bizarre ways public property. It's a bad sort of pedagogy that uses smug, painful examples and not a very effective one. A tactical error on my part. Yet, the Grinch is old enough to remember that it didn't used to be a crime to rape your wife. And I never even did get to the part about his daughter dying at age 19 from lack of obstetric care. Look, I have my doubts about the 21st century from time to time, but look at the alternatives!

II At a much later time I indicated that if his older daughter (high school age, I believe) wished to give a blow job, she wouldn't be reduced to using the parking lot by Bruno's. That was an attempt to point out that while it was a burner they saw doing that, sex in public places is practiced by the locals as well. They just have enough local knowledge not to get caught so easily. Of course, that could have been taken by him as an endorsement of the idea that BM has no place in the Black Rock Desert. Oh well.

I don't find his use of his daughters as examples any more illuminating than mine. C'mon--that "Daddy what kind of ammo are you using?" comment has to score at least in the 90th percentile of silly e-playa remarks.

Anyway, there's nothing in that pm to indicate that he has any actual knowledge about me (for instance--why does he need backup to confront a 5'4" greying woman?) and I can't see him lasting very long standing in BRC with 30,000 invaders surronding him. But if you happen to see two 6+ footers clutching manila folders as the only substitute for the massive firepower they were not allowed to bring and feel like opening a conversation, I'd be obliged if you'd ask the African American gentleman what he feels about working for some one who's so comfortable with putting on the mantle of the Klan to scare and intimidate people.

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Post by Desi Arnaz » Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:01 pm

What's this have to do with the event?

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Post by Sensei » Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:58 pm

OK, first things first: NOBODY, AND I MEAN NOBODY, IS GOING TO FUCK WITH OUR FISHIST. Except us, of course. Secondly, BRR is a twenty-something, 140-pounds-soaking-wet, lying, motherfucking troll, and nothing more. And thirdly, in a fair fight, I'm putting my $20 on Crypto. You know damn well she'd bust him up real bad in the clinches...

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Post by JezebelinHell » Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:24 am

Desi Arnaz wrote:What's this have to do with the event?
We're in the General Discussion forum. Nothing really has to have to do with the event here.
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Post by calsur » Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:30 am

theCryptofishist,

Covered. I had an Eplaya problem with this "person" before.

I suggest you advance the email you got to the FBI. There are all kinds of laws being broken here.

BRR, You have my email address. Send me a threat and see how fast I have the FBI on your butt. I think you are a punk with an alligator mouth and a tadpole ass.

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:26 am

"an alligator mouth and a tadpole ass."

That's pretty funny. :lol:
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:49 pm

The FBI won't do a thing! They're too busy, finally, going after terrorists!

I just got talking to one and he basically told me I'm on my own.

I've got a mafia friend in Reno. They put the FBI to shame when It comes to PROTECTION and True HOMELAND SECURITY!

Give me a PM and I'll see what I can do for you. It will cost you though.

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Post by JezebelinHell » Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:51 pm

The mafia in Reno operates out of the top floor of the Porshe building. Or is that the C.I.A?
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:44 pm

JezebelinHell wrote:The mafia in Reno operates out of the top floor of the Porshe building. Or is that the C.I.A?
Or is it the CIA!

If I told you I would have to kill you!

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Post by Tancorix » Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:54 pm

If this was sent via a eplaya PM, I'd run this by the admins and see if they'll act. If that was sent to me, I'd call it a threat and a clear violation of the TOS. As for violating the not posting private e-mail rule, when it comes to protecting your personal safety you do what you must and let things fall where they may. I woudn't worry about that. Your safety always comes first.

I thought Black Rock Ric was gone...he hasn't posted in a while. It seems like a lot of the trolls are resurfacing right when they know people are focused on getting ready for the event.

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Post by Fat SAM » Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:43 pm

Hey, I used to work in the Porsche building at Cafe Soleil. It's the finance end of the Secret Service. They have an office in all the gambling towns.

Just thought I'd say.

As for threatening people; there clearly is a thinly veiled threat coming across in the pm...I'd call the police in your local area and maybe the cops here (?) I don't know what the Reno police can do for you...If anyone can find a pic of this wang I'd send it on to the rangers, too, so they can look out for him.

As for big guys, imaginary or real, my friend Jake and I (we ain't little and we both grew up in fighting neighborhoods) are going to be camped somewhere around Saturn and 8:00. If you have trouble and you're in the area, start shouting our names. We're both pretty chivalrous and happy as clams to monkey stomp stupid people. Rogue scholars, they call us. We'll keep an eye out around town for 'em, too.
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Post by Simply Joel » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:49 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:The FBI won't do a thing! They're too busy, finally, going after terrorists!

I just got talking to one and he basically told me I'm on my own.

I've got a mafia friend in Reno. They put the FBI to shame when It comes to PROTECTION and True HOMELAND SECURITY!

Give me a PM and I'll see what I can do for you. It will cost you though.

A II Z
Is this an endorsement for mafia-like techniques? If so, who is the facist now?
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Post by Simply Joel » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:53 am

Fat SAM wrote:Hey, I used to work in the Porsche building at Cafe Soleil. It's the finance end of the Secret Service. They have an office in all the gambling towns.
The Secret Service is also tasked with finding counterfit money... that would be the simplest explanation... where there is cash, so is the secret service.

Didn't anyone take high school government classes in the last 20 years... sheesh!
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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:32 am

Simply Joel wrote:Didn't anyone take high school government classes in the last 20 years... sheesh!
Hey, Joel, maybe they have. Slept through them. Not that what there was of substance was covered in an interesting way. To bad "Schoolhouse Rock" didn't have a catchy little song about all the branches of government that we could refer to.

(Confidentially, the CIA used to have a whole floor--the 13th--in the onetime Great Western building on Center and Shattuck in Berkeley.)

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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:38 am

Yes, I reported the message to admin right off on Monday when I opened it. And to my fiance. And to my volenteer department. I haven't filed a police report yet, but I might as well, so this bully has a paper trail when he does crack. The FBI is a good idea too.



And thank you, thank you, thank you EVERYONE for your support and willingness to stand up for me on the playa. It means a whole hell of a lot to me right now.[/b]

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Post by Rian Jackson » Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:51 am

theCryptofishist wrote: And thank you, thank you, thank you EVERYONE for your support and willingness to stand up for me on the playa. It means a whole hell of a lot to me right now.[/b]
Crypto, you've got friends here and on the physical playa. Let us know if you need anything else. I don't think much of anyone here is gonna tolerate that kind of BS.
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Post by Simply Joel » Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:52 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
Simply Joel wrote:Didn't anyone take high school government classes in the last 20 years... sheesh!
Hey, Joel, maybe they have. Slept through them. Not that what there was of substance was covered in an interesting way. To bad "Schoolhouse Rock" didn't have a catchy little song about all the branches of government that we could refer to.

(Confidentially, the CIA used to have a whole floor--the 13th--in the onetime Great Western building on Center and Shattuck in Berkeley.)
Maybe my constant continuous contemplation on civic correctness has muc to do with growing up in a city which was also the state capital... politics morning, noon and night...

I also recall my government teacher, Mr. Semen.... yeah, that was the spelling as I recall... a southern gentleman conservative democrat.... think Paul Simon without a bow tie... eloquent and elegant... despite growing up in Southern Illinois.

What were we talking about?

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:51 am

Nevada Law wrote: * A person is not entitled to receive, renew or hold a license of a bail enforcement agent if he:

(a) Has been convicted of a felony in this state or of any offense committed in another state which would be a felony if committed in this state; or

(b) Has been convicted of an offense involving moral turpitude or the unlawful use, sale or possession of a controlled substance.

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The basic course of training must consist of at least 80 hours of training which includes instruction in the following areas of the law:
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* Principles of investigation, including, without limitation:

(1) The basic principles of locating defendants who have not complied with the terms and conditions established by a court for their release from custody or the terms and conditions of a contract entered into with a surety; and

(2) Ethics;
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* A person who is licensed as a general agent, bail agent or bail solicitor on October 1, 1997, is entitled to renew his license after that date if he is otherwise qualified to be issued such a license and submits to the commissioner a letter from a local law enforcement agency in his county of residence which indicates that he:

(a) Has not, on or after October 1, 1997, been convicted of a felony in this state or of any offense committed in another state which would be a felony if committed in this state; and

(b) Has not, on or after October 1, 1997, been convicted of an offense involving moral turpitude or the unlawful use, sale or possession of a controlled substance.
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American Bail Coalition wrote:License required. Since 1997, one must use a bail enforcement agent licensed in Nevada for recovery operations (NRS 697 et seq.). Fugitive recovery can also be done by the bail bond agent (even one from out of state) who bonded out the defendant (NRS 178.526). Qualifications for a bail recovery agent license (NRS 697.173) are: be 21 years of age, high school or GED diploma, pass drug test 30 before application, pass a written exam, an exam by a Nevada licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, no felony, moral turpitude, or drug convictions, and 80 hours of training (NRS 697.177). After making an arrest, the bail enforcement agent must notify the local law enforcement agency of the jurisdiction in which the defendant was apprehended of his identity, the identity of the defendant, and where the defendant is being taken to be surrendered. Before forcibly entering an inhabited dwelling, a bail enforcement agent must notify local law enforcement (NRS 697-325). UCEA
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I don't know what making repeated threats to people (four of us now?) does to one's chances of getting a licence renewed. And what sort of example of "moral turpitude" is being married to a professed cannibal? I wonder how he'd score on a psychiatrict test now anyway? If the issue of Burning Man came up. Any of you law types have any ideas? Go to the licencing board, I suppose.

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Post by samtzu » Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:44 am

Well, a troll is a troll, and there is no cure for them, short of total exposure and prosecution. I agree with Rob ( or Pyro, or Calsur, or whoever said it at the M&G) that BRR is some idiot in Sacramento who hasn't got the cojones to come right out and face people in the flesh, so he concocts this crap.

Still, it would be fun to track him down and get in his face... really in his face!

Sorry... my primate propensity for violence just keeps rearing it's ugly head when I think of this creep.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:05 pm

You guys could be right. (For some reason, I used to have a picture of him in a prison cell somewhere with an elaborate fantasy life to make up for his empty loneliness.) In fact, to me one of hte biggest pieces of evidence against this is that the Maia personna was so much less a basket case than the others--she could hold it together for a few weeks without degenerating into the dark side while the rest of the rockheads took 36 hours, tops. To me this indicates that another person may have been involved. Also, A II Z and wrecks seem to have spoken or had extra-board contact with him.

If he's been relitively honest, however, I would like to remind him that he does has something to lose if he continues to make threats. Not only might he have the crap beaten out of him (especially if he tries to get me next year when I'm camped with the firefighters--as fine a bunch of six footers to roost on the playa) but he could use his Bounty Hunters liscence and have trouble attracting guide clients to a business with a public track record of threats to others. That's a little too wild of a west for most yuppies.

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Post by samtzu » Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:15 pm

If it helps any, it was funny to watch Ring with his "Hello I'm Black Rock Rick" badge at the Meet N' Greet! He almost got decked, three times, within a pico-second of someone reading it!! For one thing it shows the lack of tolerance that ePlayans have for this cretin... for another, it shows what a joke he really is.

It's good to get rid of the schmuck.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:03 pm

Kind of the opposite of my experience. I recognized Ring right off from his avatars and that red hair, but I'd lost my glasses and couldn't read the tag. When I did, I bust a gut laughing--it was a great way of dissing him because we knew he wasn't going to show to THAT. It felt WONDERFUL! Of course Ring isn't no 6'2". What's with all those e-playans being shorter in person anyway? Or is that desert shrivel?

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Post by samtzu » Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:49 am

I know what you mean... I'm shorter in person, too. I'm actually surprised every morning when I look in the mirror. I used to be 7'3"... I'm now down to 6'2".

Must be an age thing... Or the heat on the Playa...?
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Post by Rian Jackson » Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:42 am

samtzu wrote:I know what you mean... I'm shorter in person, too. I'm actually surprised every morning when I look in the mirror. I used to be 7'3"... I'm now down to 6'2".

Must be an age thing... Or the heat on the Playa...?
didn't i say something along those lines to you? or maybe it was taller?
hmmm....

well, i never misrepresented. short short short.
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Post by samtzu » Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:14 am

Yes... to clear up any confusion, Rian is short. Cute as a bug (well, a cute bug) and short... But we have often been mistaken for each other, but, as I have pointed out before, Rian is the short one with breasts, I am the tall one with a fat ass.

...and what was that hair thing you were doing on Tuesday (or Wednesday, or what the hell ever day it was I saw you?) It looked like you had done your hair with a carpet scrubber...
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Post by meandthemissus » Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:36 pm

That he accomplished his goals, he made you laugh, he made you cry, He made you furious, he got your panties so far up your ass you probably climaxed. My guess would be he laughed himself off of his sofa and hurt his back and never made it to BM.

Although MeandtheMissus and the kid were camping in the hills and we ran into salt and pepper, white guy and black guy on quads with two Desert Bighorn rams skins and skulls tied on. We talked, they would not tell us where they shot them, but did say that they planned visit the encampment to see the "slickers" but while scouting the week before had picked up some big sheep tracks.. and they figured a Boone and Crockett entry would be more interesting.... Coulda been your no show Gentlemen Callers.

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