The Bar, Volume #4

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby magicmarty » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:20 am

Thick fog here this morning. Morning FJ, Trilo, Thor. YG is MIA and the joint is empty without him. Hope you have a light day with much snooze time, MDF. Going out to hit the tennis courts for the 5th straight day. Starting to get a bit tired. Had a great day with my open studio pottery sale yesterday. A great gang of friends dropped by and practically bought me out. First sale I've had in 2 years. Got to get busy making more stuff, starting this afternoon!!!

Have a great day, kiddies with hugs all around!

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby burner von braun » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:33 am

Hey everyone!

Thanks for the cartoon FJ. I think yg mentioned going north on a roadtrip in his red 'tri-unicorn' truck.

Congratulations wh..sh!!
*does a happy dance*

Glad the pottery sale went well Marty

..and a belated sigh of relief for Grai, glad you got your tools back!

*sets bottle of Kraken on the bar, waves and heads outside to enjoy the day*

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby Lassen Forge » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:49 am

Chilly at the Forge. 30 degrees and sunny. Snow by Wednesday!

Time for...

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby knowmad » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:32 am

Moin Moin!
Ah, I love the deep Sleep after a Sweat lodge. Now Coffee, Iterwebz lulz, and working on some new Bunny ears..
Yeah Trillo Missing the Food truck was kinda :cry: . and about your Friends truck, bumber! but atleast it wasn't the Kitchen part that would have been more dangerous and expensive(?)
As far as a jammer being illegal; Meh. It's like I was telling another concerned eplyan.
It is like talking about Speeding and radar detectors. and what not. Short of a search warrant which would never happen with out probable cause. Just saying "I have a Phone jammer" on a public forum would not give probable cause. If one were to say "I have a jammer and plan to use it in the commission of Bla-Bla crime", then the probable cause would be "in the prevention of an imminent crime." Fifth amendment right extend to ones right not to be quoted as a witness in an investigation against themselves. Even discussing having used a jammer is not admissible as evidence because no crime would have been committed. If I were to explain in detail the effects of using the jammer to disrupted emergency services. That conversation could be used to investigate a crime.

and you are right Figgy, guess we'll have to run our own show around here, heaven forbid we take it upon ourselves to dictate our own destiny.
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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby Lassen Forge » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:07 am

Good morning!!!

I'll pony into the cellphone conversation, only because I have some limited knowledge here...

If you're causing "willfull interference" with radio spectrum that is licensed for a specific use, then you are actually in violation.

Damn, I need another Hot Chocolate!

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby knowmad » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:19 am

What you're are talking about is the Jamming of a Cell tower. What I am talking about is the jamming of some Slobs Cell phone when they chose to have a loud, rude over informing conversation in Public space. These are Two completely different things.
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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby gyre » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:40 am

Someone stole an entire mobile tower here.

News with pictures.
Have you seen this truck? (very identifiable shape)

You can't leave anything lying around.

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby wh..sh » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:13 pm

*walks in with a hot cup of tea*
Thank you, peeps!!
I seem to have lost touch with the art of celebration.

For now, I am going to listen to my happy song...
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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby Aurelia » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:49 pm

Trader Jo's peppermint hot chocolate is finally here again
and the phone thing ..I am becoming so bad that when people loudly carry on conversations without restraint I find myself joining in
I mean rude begats rude
uh oh my Mother says NO
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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby Ugly Dougly » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:05 pm

gyre wrote:Someone stole an entire mobile tower here.

News with pictures.
Have you seen this truck? (very identifiable shape)

You can't leave anything lying around.


Don't look at me. I don't know nothing about it. (Glances about furtively.)

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby knowmad » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:25 pm

wh..sh wrote:*walks in with a hot cup of tea*
Thank you, peeps!!
I seem to have lost touch with the art of celebration.

For now, I am going to listen to my happy song...

Awesome, Whooshie!
The Octopus was the best! Sorry you forgot how to Celebrate. were you spending too much time with books and dull dry facts?
heres a link for you to help you remember how to read the news.
And here's something to help it all make sense.
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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby graidawg » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:11 pm

love the link knowmad, thats how i like my news to the point!
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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby trilobyte » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:05 pm

Congrats on the sales, Marty! Yeah the fog was crazy this morning, made it easier for us to decide to stay in the loft and be lazy/do domestic stuff. Organizing stuff to wrangle storage, tinkering around with camp plans, do some virtual shopkeeper work, laundry, etc. Gotta wander over to the market in a bit, we're running low on mixers plus need milk for the girl's coffee in the morning (essential stuff!).

Fingers crossed, hope it was a quiet day for you MDF.

Long time no see, Thor - glad you're doing well and surviving the work schedule. Also glad the fire's going well, with only a little singing. Good luck with the rope poi project.

Gyre, as the FCC sees it, interfering with any of those bands is illegal (as is selling/importing any devices that are specifically designed to do so). I doubt they've got crack enforcement teams chasing down potential violations, but they get defensive and tend to come down on people once it's been reported. And in the post-9/11 world, people screwing around with whole towers or doing the serial offender thing run the risk of domestic terrorism charges as well (cellular is considered essential for emergency services these days).

Knowmad, even jamming some asshat's phone on the bus is breaking federal law (read the FCC info on the page linked in my earlier post). Granted, if you actively try to shut down an entire tower (in any of the spectrums mentioned before) you'd probably face more serious charges and punishment, but they're not two completely different things. As far as the food truck goes I can only hope his insurance company doesn't drag its feet too much. I'd guess the engine in a commercial truck would cost more than griddles/fryers, but from what I understand there's a lot of other damage as well (something in the engine blew up, and from the pic in the newspaper the fire got past the firewall fast). He's already posted that he'll be working expanded Monday-Saturday hours at his storefront, and then starting in January he plans on being open Sundays as well. I think he wanted to start that sooner, but he and his wife do the juggling of work schedules and taking care of their kids, plus I imagine it's tough to coordinate with the people that work for him. My next few weeks are going to be busy and involve a lot of running around

Hiya BBS, hope all's going well at the new place. You looking forward to the first snow, or dreading it?

LOL about joining in, aserendipity. I generally just kind of laugh my way through it. When I lived in NY my friends and I coined the term 'floor show' for people getting too loud or acting out in public spaces. Mostly we meant it for crazy homeless people shouting at no one or somebody going through a breakup or massive argument on the sidewalk or subway, but as cell phones have become so ubiquitous it just kind of spills over. Comedy.

Alas, the market calls. Have a good evening everyone!

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby knowmad » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:11 pm

graidawg wrote:love the link knowmad, thats how i like my news to the point!

yeah I like how they do a write up before showing the original. kinda helps those WTF ones.
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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby gyre » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:00 pm

trilobyte wrote:
Gyre, as the FCC sees it, interfering with any of those bands is illegal (as is selling/importing any devices that are specifically designed to do so). I doubt they've got crack enforcement teams chasing down potential violations, but they get defensive and tend to come down on people once it's been reported. And in the post-9/11 world, people screwing around with whole towers or doing the serial offender thing run the risk of domestic terrorism charges as well (cellular is considered essential for emergency services these days).

LOL about joining in, aserendipity. I generally just kind of laugh my way through it. When I lived in NY my friends and I coined the term 'floor show' for people getting too loud or acting out in public spaces. Mostly we meant it for crazy homeless people shouting at no one or somebody going through a breakup or massive argument on the sidewalk or subway, but as cell phones have become so ubiquitous it just kind of spills over. Comedy.

Alas, the market calls. Have a good evening everyone!

Not really disagreeing, just pointing out the political motivation of an fcc that won't perform the important parts of it's job any longer, acting only as a lapdog of interests that are well documented as incestuous in the fcc.

They know that there are legitimate uses for jammers, and harsh enforcement will mean use of cruder devices.
This is hardly an issue in some countries.

As an example, last night I was in a steel building aprox 80 by 40 feet on ten acres of land, about a mile from the nearest neighbor, forty miles from the city.
Rare traffic.
If a jammer was used, even a powerful full spectrum version, if it did leak out of the steel enclosure, the only possible other use it could interfere with would be an intermittent car while it was near.
A low power version wouldn't reach the road, even outside the building.
Use in this location would have no intent or possibility of interference with others.
And industrial and commercial espionage is more, not less common now, including video capability.

And as I mentioned, a device can be legal until used for an "improper" purpose.
Even the term "jammer" is a loaded word.
Worth noting the high level of expertise in blocking signals in the us military.
Didn't they actually turn gps on and off at one point?

Illegal, but another example of buzzword politics by the fcc, a now pointless structure.
Destructive for the country, I think.
Of course, the use of 'security' when all other excuses fail is an old cliche.

As for real jamming, after seeing a story about poor bank digital security, I designed an emp generator over coffee with a friend one day.
From some sigint reports I've seen, the design has been built by others and works.
Technical and engineering difficulty building it- low. Cost- low. Time required - low.
No doubt someone has finetuned and made an exotic version of it, but not needed.
Precision machining would raise the output/power efficiency.

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby trilobyte » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:11 pm

Just heard how today's fog (in the bay area) threw a big wrench in the works for people flying home today, that's gotta suck. Hopefully the roads, rails, and airways and stuff are going smoothly for those who are traveling. No slippery roads, bumper to bumper action, or other headaches that interfere with getting where you want to (like the bar, for example).

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby Aurelia » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:19 pm

born and raised midtown manhattan first worked at lenox hill to my mothers chagrin .. because it isnt nice to see
so I love the fog and sorry Marty but it sent me outside. very happy your show went well
as I crossed the bridge and thick white tufts spilled over me I rejoiced in being alive after a LOONng weekend of being the whatever I am now...
it was good of course but still
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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby Bob » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:30 pm

knowmad wrote:What you're are talking about is the Jamming of a Cell tower. What I am talking about is the jamming of some Slobs Cell phone when they chose to have a loud, rude over informing conversation in Public space. These are Two completely different things.


Wow. And you feel special enough to publicly brag about this under a fake name.
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Postby trilobyte » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:40 pm

I don't mind going outside the house on a foggy day either, but I think she had second thoughts about choosing to go spend a cold foggy day bingeing on the waterfront (and getting sick). I was good either way, today's been both relaxing and productive.

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby gyre » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:53 pm

Poetic, Aserendipity.

I get the feeling that many in the bay get tired of fog.
i know some people there that won't go outside on a cloudy day.
Really.

I just love the weather there, even getting rained on.
To the point of giddiness.

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Postby Aurelia » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:27 pm

Oh yes Gyre, sometimes it seems too perfect and I yearn for maximum with just us BRCers doing it up
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Postby Aurelia » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:33 pm

and being an accomplished elder sparklepony I am not embarrassed if once in a while I resort to giddy -up

my eldest son says my once husband asked to know why I continue going to the Burn ..and he asked that in front of all his assembled relatives including his wife who had just prepared three turkeys for his family
even I hold my breath to discover the answer !
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Postby knowmad » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:37 pm

Bob wrote:
knowmad wrote:What you're are talking about is the Jamming of a Cell tower. What I am talking about is the jamming of some Slobs Cell phone when they chose to have a loud, rude over informing conversation in Public space. These are Two completely different things.


Wow. And you feel special enough to publicly brag about this under a fake name.

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Postby MisaBlue » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:24 am

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby AntiM » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:30 am

Thank you for the lovely brekkie, Misa!

Thumps ECM... needs a cuppa joe.

How is everyone?

Good weekend here, although Larry isn't doing well at being a one-armed handyman. He likely has a week or two more on light duty before they let him back on the truck. He does have to go to work for six hours a day, they have him helping get the state permits ready for 1800 trucks. A lot of fussy paperwork.
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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby ygmir » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:48 am

*Wanders in*
ah, coffee. This kept me sane for the past week. Lovely elixir.
I do love the PNW, so green and rainy.
And a big bonus was getting meet up with Foxfur in Portland at his favorite "eatery".

dang I look perkynot for having driven for 11 hours to get there!



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Postby knowmad » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:50 am

Moin moin!
Weee Cold Here! got into the 20's last night Really frosty.
Java and some toast and I'm out the door headed to do errands.
Nice to see you back Ygmir! Figgy and I kept the cartoons rolling, but you were missed!
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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby magicmarty » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:03 am

Great pic, YG, good to have you back! Thanks for the brekie, Misa and the coffee, Anti M. Morning Knownmad. Another VERY foggy morning here today with rain due in later in the week. Bunch of errands and clean up tasks to do today.

Have a great day, kiddies. It is the first day of the rest of your life!

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby Ugly Dougly » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:18 am

"Perky", huh? Is that what you call it? Where's your left hand in that picture, huh?
Creep. ;)

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Re: The Bar, Volume #4

Postby ygmir » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:32 am

ah thanks for the welcome back gang!
yeah Dougly.....well, I was trying to pick pocket her apron, from behind.......that's why you can't see my left hand.
What, sir, are you insinuating?
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