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Post by stuart » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:45 pm

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oh come on, it's funny
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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:34 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:i'm actually most looking forward to digging into White's 'Pet Peeves' section.

it seems the whole world had heard of the 'little book' except for me. I hear E.B. White and think 'Charlotte's Web.'
I actually have a tendency towards purple prose. I get what he's saying, but I"ve had enough of that post-Hemingway we're all journalists and tight-asses crap. Not that victorian excess wasn't excess mind you, I just like the wide expance and endless iterations that are posible in that reality.




Insert many needless words!!!!!!
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Post by Wind_Borne » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:17 am

theCryptofishist wrote: Insert many needless words!!!!!!
Didn't you mean...
Insert, pre-pend, append or otherwise attach as many words (nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, conjunctions, etc...) that you can possibly (or plausibly) conjure to mind regardless, irrespective, and irregardless of their contribution to the meaning of the text or any confusion, obfuscation, or other difficulty that said added verbiage might cause to the reader, and without concern or consideration for detrimental effects on the conveyance of your intended message.
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
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Dudes and Dudettes, lend me your ears (eyes)

Post by Simply Joel » Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:15 am

Linguist Deciphers Uses of Word 'Dude'
Wed Dec 8, 4:44 AM ET U.S. National - AP
Mike CRISSEY, Associated Press Writer

PITTSBURGH — Dude, you've got to read this.

A linguist from the University of Pittsburgh has published a scholarly paper deconstructing and deciphering the word "dude," contending it is much more than a catchall for lazy, inarticulate surfers, skaters, slackers and teenagers.

An admitted dude-user during his college years, Scott Kiesling said the four-letter word has many uses: in greetings ("What's up, dude?"); as an exclamation ("Whoa, Dude!"); commiseration ("Dude, I'm so sorry."); to one-up someone ("That's so lame, dude."); as well as agreement, surprise and disgust ("Dude.").

Kiesling says in the fall edition of American Speech that the word derives its power from something he calls cool solidarity — an effortless kinship that's not too intimate.

Cool solidarity is especially important to young men who are under social pressure to be close with other young men, but not enough to be suspected as gay.

In other words: Close, dude, but not that close.

"It's like man or buddy, there is often this male-male addressed term that says, 'I'm your friend but not much more than your friend,'" said Kiesling, whose research focuses on language and masculinity.

To decode the word's meaning, Kiesling listened to conversations with fraternity members he taped in 1993. He also had undergraduate students in sociolinguistics classes in 2001 and 2002 write down the first 20 times they heard "dude" and who said it during a three-day period.

He found the word taps into nonconformity and a new American image of leisurely success.

Anecdotally, men were the predominant users of the word, but women sometimes call each other dudes.

Less frequently, men will call women dudes and vice versa. But that comes with some rules, according to self-reporting from students in a 2002 language and gender class included in the paper.

"Men report that they use dude with women with whom they are close friends, but not with women with whom they are intimate," according to the study.

His students also reported that they were least likely to use the word with parents, bosses and professors.

Historically, dude originally meant "old rags" — a "dudesman" was a scarecrow. In the late 1800s, a "dude" was akin to a "dandy," a meticulously dressed man, especially out West. It became "cool" in the 1930s and 1940s, according to Kiesling. Dude began its rise in the teenage lexicon with the 1981 movie "Fast Times at Ridgemont High."

"Dude" also shows no signs of disappearing as more and more of our culture becomes youth-centered, said Mary Bucholtz, an associate professor of linguistics at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

"I have seen middle-aged men using 'dude' with each other," she said.

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Post by AntiM » Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:12 am

What is the most intelligent thing ever said prefaced by "dude"?

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Post by theCryptofishist » Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:22 pm

e=mc squared.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:30 pm

bump
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"nazi"

Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:27 pm

Admit it. You've said it. But what did you mean?

A member of the German National Socialist Workers Party?

You're worldview is so disgusting, so disturbing, so contrary to all that is right and good and life afirming in this world that I recoil from you?

I'm tired of this discussion and want it to be over?

Or something else.

I know it's a very fuzzy, very loose term. That's why I'd like to know what people mean when they use it.
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Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:29 pm

There's a sandwitchry near my office that calls itself "Working Girls Cafe."
There was that movie a few years back with that name.

Does anybody else remember when it was a euphamism for prostitute? How did it become respectable? Or are we simply dealing with people who have no sense of the richness of language and took it at face value?
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Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

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Post by robotland » Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:52 pm

Howdy From Kalamazoo

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