YAY! Ticket info is here!

[ACfromSAC]

https://journal.burningman.org/2022/01/ ... ting-info/

https://tickets.burningman.org/

FOMO: $1,500 or $2,500 (4,000 available)
Registration Jan 26 - Jan 29
On sale Feb 2

Stewards (formerly DGS): $475 (35,000 available)
Form open Feb 23 - Mar 3
On sale March 11

Ticket Aid (formerly low income): $225 (5,000 available)
Application open Mar 16 to May 18

MAIN SALE: $575 (10,000 available)
Registration Mar 23 - Mar 26
ON SALE MARCH 30

OMG: $575 (3,000 available)
Registration July 27 - July 29
On sale August 3


Mark your calendars and GOOD LUCK TO MY FELLOW MAIN SALE PEEPS!

[burner von braun]

Thanks for the heads up ACfromSAC!

Just curious, but it seems to add up to a total of 57,000 tickets for sale. Perhaps another three or four thousand for their new "Community Action & Initiative" plan (whatever that is) and then another one thousand for the "Invitation to the Future" crowd. So... in the range of 62,000 tickets?

[tommyzed]

Why are DGS tickets cheaper than the Main Sale? Doesn't the Borg get what this does? This means that people in the same camp will be paying different amounts --> so people that are more connected will get cheaper tickets than less connected people.

Why can't the Borg get this right? Everyone just pays the same. Why stratify the event even more than it already is?

[Sham]

Why are DGS tickets cheaper than the Main Sale? Doesn't the Borg get what this does? This means that people in the same camp will be paying different amounts --> so people that are more connected will get cheaper tickets than less connected people.

Why can't the Borg get this right? Everyone just pays the same. Why stratify the event even more than it already is?

My unofficial non-moderator take on this is: the DGS tickets go to camps and participants who help build the city. They plan, build and bring lots of infrastructure for others to share. In the past, the ticket prices were the same for people who just showed up to party and dance the whole week. This is helping to set things apart a little. Moderator hat back on.

[ACfromSAC]

Thanks for the heads up ACfromSAC!

Just curious, but it seems to add up to a total of 57,000 tickets for sale. Perhaps another three or four thousand for their new "Community Action & Initiative" plan (whatever that is) and then another one thousand for the "Invitation to the Future" crowd. So... in the range of 62,000 tickets?

I was curious about this total ticket count as well. Possibly a reduction in total population this year because of COVID? More held aside for VIP distribution outside of the formal sales?

[gaminwench]

They give a lot of tickets to working folx (DPW, GPE, Ranger higher-ups, etc.); I suspect that's where the difference lies.

[lucky420]

Why are DGS tickets cheaper than the Main Sale? Doesn't the Borg get what this does? This means that people in the same camp will be paying different amounts --> so people that are more connected will get cheaper tickets than less connected people.

Why can't the Borg get this right? Everyone just pays the same. Why stratify the event even more than it already is?

My unofficial non-moderator take on this is: the DGS tickets go to camps and participants who help build the city. They plan, build and bring lots of infrastructure for others to share. In the past, the ticket prices were the same for people who just showed up to party and dance the whole week. This is helping to set things apart a little. Moderator hat back on.

I was thinking the price diff might be for this year only because we do get our 2020 allotment if we wish to attend this year. I’m stoned and I’m rambling. Maybe the bmorg is just being nice I have a lot more to say that might make sense later

[tommyzed]

That is a bit of B.S., sorry for my French. There are so many plug n play camps now - assuming that someone in a party camp contributes more to BurningMan than people who are doing their own renegade community, is just ignorant of what people are doing out there.

I've personally been a part of art camps who were denied camp and placement status because they were "just" doing playa art - so now, this is pushing artists further down the totem pole. Not only do they not get placement, but they have to pay more for a ticket?? Because artists are giving less to the community than a raver at District?

Plus, it doesn't address my original point - it puts the power of a camp in the hands of very few. Each camp has a camp "leader" who decides who gets the DGS. And now that person gets to decide who pays less for a ticket.

The Borg should really think about what they are incentivizing here. Because it's definitely not an egalitarian society.

-- L O K I


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Why are DGS tickets cheaper than the Main Sale? Doesn't the Borg get what this does? This means that people in the same camp will be paying different amounts --> so people that are more connected will get cheaper tickets than less connected people.

Why can't the Borg get this right? Everyone just pays the same. Why stratify the event even more than it already is?
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My unofficial non-moderator take on this is: the DGS tickets go to camps and participants who help build the city. They plan, build and bring lots of infrastructure for others to share. In the past, the ticket prices were the same for people who just showed up to party and dance the whole week. This is helping to set things apart a little. Moderator hat back on.
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[FlyingMonkey]

Why are DGS tickets cheaper than the Main Sale? Doesn't the Borg get what this does? This means that people in the same camp will be paying different amounts --> so people that are more connected will get cheaper tickets than less connected people.

Why can't the Borg get this right? Everyone just pays the same. Why stratify the event even more than it already is?

In he past I had bought FOMO tickets. That creates the same dynamic but to be honest it never mattered. In theory the DGS tickets go to people who make it all happen. So I have no problem with them being cheaper. If you do then hook up with a camp, do some hard thankless work pre-event & live cheaper.

And if you haven't noticed the BORG is just trying to maximize how much they can take from us suckers chasing a dream that ended years ago.

[FlyingMonkey]

That is a bit of B.S., sorry for my French. There are so many plug n play camps now - assuming that someone in a party camp contributes more to BurningMan than people who are doing their own renegade community, is just ignorant of what people are doing out there.

I've personally been a part of art camps who were denied camp and placement status because they were "just" doing playa art - so now, this is pushing artists further down the totem pole. Not only do they not get placement, but they have to pay more for a ticket?? Because artists are giving less to the community than a raver at District?

Plus, it doesn't address my original point - it puts the power of a camp in the hands of very few. Each camp has a camp "leader" who decides who gets the DGS. And now that person gets to decide who pays less for a ticket.

The Borg should really think about what they are incentivizing here. Because it's definitely not an egalitarian society.

-- L O K I

You do have a valid point about the potential for camp leaders to abuse the system. I've seen it first hand & it happens. Some people are shitty humans.

Why are DGS tickets cheaper than the Main Sale? Doesn't the Borg get what this does? This means that people in the same camp will be paying different amounts --> so people that are more connected will get cheaper tickets than less connected people.

Why can't the Borg get this right? Everyone just pays the same. Why stratify the event even more than it already is?

My unofficial non-moderator take on this is: the DGS tickets go to camps and participants who help build the city. They plan, build and bring lots of infrastructure for others to share. In the past, the ticket prices were the same for people who just showed up to party and dance the whole week. This is helping to set things apart a little. Moderator hat back on.

[Ratty]

Hi Everybody! I for one am thrilled to get $100 off the regular price. I spend more than that on the events held at our camp. So how has everyone been. Who died?

[BBadger]

Why are DGS tickets cheaper than the Main Sale? Doesn't the Borg get what this does? This means that people in the same camp will be paying different amounts --> so people that are more connected will get cheaper tickets than less connected people.

Why can't the Borg get this right? Everyone just pays the same. Why stratify the event even more than it already is?

The price differential should be the least important problem for "less-connected" people. The real problem is that less than a third as many tickets (only 10k vs 35k) are available for unaffiliated attendees. Getting a ticket at all is going to be extremely difficult. So this becomes Nepotism Man.

Yes, many of the people whom the DGS/Steward tickets are directed toward are intimately involved in the building of the city, but this system really kills the more spontaneous, unrecorded-credit-for-receiving-a-ticket art and participation. Instead, it funnels new people through existing camps, and discourages creating new and branched-off camps and groups.

I feel this is a source of true decay in this event. It was so refreshing to see what came about from the Plan B renegade last year and how varied the people attending were. Unfortunately, the ticket sell-outs have permanently changed the culture of this event in ways no plug-n-play camps, ravers, or other forces could. There's also really no way to solve it either, and I guess we'll have to see how the event continues to change.

[Elorrum]

The solo bad ass days are gone, or a slim chance lottery. I agree it is a true clubhouse now, access is difficult.

[tommyzed]

Agree @Elorrum / @BBadger --> Nepotism Man! #truth

While there's no obvious / easy solution, the Borg need not make it worse. What's going to happen next year? In 5 years? Maybe camp tickets will stay at $425 and solo tickets will continue to climb... $800... $1200... It's one thing to be near the Gates of Hell, it's another to be walking in the wrong direction.

[Elorrum]

It changed beyond something I could easily expect to attend. Camp leaders can get pretty despotic in who they favor, and they know tickets are a huge prize. The power dynamic there is hard to experience from a friend. You need money, or a long term camp relationship, or another option, be an unpaid worker necessary to run the event, (at least 24 hrs?) and get a ticket ? Next year maybe?

[FlyingMonkey]

Agree @Elorrum / @BBadger --> Nepotism Man! #truth

While there's no obvious / easy solution, the Borg need not make it worse. What's going to happen next year? In 5 years? Maybe camp tickets will stay at $425 and solo tickets will continue to climb... $800... $1200... It's one thing to be near the Gates of Hell, it's another to be walking in the wrong direction.

[BBadger]

While there's no obvious / easy solution, the Borg need not make it worse. What's going to happen next year? In 5 years? Maybe camp tickets will stay at $425 and solo tickets will continue to climb... $800... $1200... It's one thing to be near the Gates of Hell, it's another to be walking in the wrong direction.

In many ways they already have climbed to that amount. The FOMO tickets sold out in about 4 minutes. Those were tickets sold at $1500 and $2500 each. People gobbled them up because they were willing to pony up extravagant amounts just to be able to attend at all.

[some seeing eye]

This is a temporary issue wrapped in long term issues.

There is always going to be more demand than supply because the event has been over marketed to the world, not individuals who would be good burners. It is over marketed by the BORG and the participants.

The culture went off track, and part of the solution is to have camps manage the acculturation of their campers. The BORG is providing more oversight of the camps. If you are not properly acculturating your campers, you will be schooled or kicked out. The BORG is also correcting the culture by the Outside Services changes.

The BORG understands that camps have been padding their populations. That is going to be dealt with in the future the rumor is.

The BORG promised canceled-2020 camps they would be placed and receive similar ticket allocation this year. The camp ticket holders did send donations that kept the BORG afloat.

All of the above is not perfect, but don't let (your) perfect get in the way of the good. All of this has been stated in pieces by the BORG many times, except my marketing issue.

[FlyingMonkey]

This is a temporary issue wrapped in long term issues.

There is always going to be more demand than supply because the event has been over marketed to the world, not individuals who would be good burners. It is over marketed by the BORG and the participants.

The culture went off track, and part of the solution is to have camps manage the acculturation of their campers. The BORG is providing more oversight of the camps. If you are not properly acculturating your campers, you will be schooled or kicked out. The BORG is also correcting the culture by the Outside Services changes.

The BORG understands that camps have been padding their populations. That is going to be dealt with in the future the rumor is.

The BORG promised canceled-2020 camps they would be placed and receive similar ticket allocation this year. The camp ticket holders did send donations that kept the BORG afloat.

All of the above is not perfect, but don't let (your) perfect get in the way of the good. All of this has been stated in pieces by the BORG many times, except my marketing issue.

I respectfully disagree and call Bull Shit. I think everything the BORG does is driven by greed and not for the betterment of the event.

Only time will tell and one of us will be wrong. I hope it is me.

Cheers!

[wraith]

Why are DGS tickets cheaper than the Main Sale? Doesn't the Borg get what this does? This means that people in the same camp will be paying different amounts --> so people that are more connected will get cheaper tickets than less connected people.

Why can't the Borg get this right? Everyone just pays the same. Why stratify the event even more than it already is?

The price differential should be the least important problem for "less-connected" people. The real problem is that less than a third as many tickets (only 10k vs 35k) are available for unaffiliated attendees. Getting a ticket at all is going to be extremely difficult. So this becomes Nepotism Man.

Yes, many of the people whom the DGS/Steward tickets are directed toward are intimately involved in the building of the city, but this system really kills the more spontaneous, unrecorded-credit-for-receiving-a-ticket art and participation. Instead, it funnels new people through existing camps, and discourages creating new and branched-off camps and groups.

I feel this is a source of true decay in this event. It was so refreshing to see what came about from the Plan B renegade last year and how varied the people attending were. Unfortunately, the ticket sell-outs have permanently changed the culture of this event in ways no plug-n-play camps, ravers, or other forces could. There's also really no way to solve it either, and I guess we'll have to see how the event continues to change.

I predict the scalping and plug & play is going to be ugly this year. All those little techbros in the bay and Seattle have had two years of work from home and being unable to take vacations.