Are you still planning a trip to the Black Rock Desert?

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Are you still planning a trip to the Black Rock Desert?

Post by Sham » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:10 am

While Burning Man will not be happening this year, the org has offered up some useful tips and important information regarding your camping adventure this summer.

https://journal.burningman.org/2021/04/ ... UXt3YEAw1A

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Post by The Rod » Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:51 pm

I think one of the bigger logistical challenges out there is going to be dealing with pooping and peeing without BORG sanctioned and regularly serviced portos.

Estimates were at around 3,500 people at last years Labor Day Weekend Not Burning Man Event on the playa. I can easily see that number doubling or tripling for 2021...

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Post by spolsky » Mon May 03, 2021 3:48 pm

Quite a lot of camps are going, in fact!

There's a group called Black Rock Plan B that is planning to build a man at a pre-arranged GPS coordinate. They are also now working on organizing some kind of group-sourced Google Maps (remember unofficialbrcmap.com? Like that) so that you can see where your friends are camping and choose a spot that is just as far or as close to the action as you want. There will also be a way to share events and schedules.

I am not affiliated with them... it's not an official thing in any way...Yes, they are indeed talking to the BLM and are confident that the BLM is perfectly happy to let people come camp independently on the playa, as they were last year at the 2020 unofficial burn.

I am NOT hearing a lot of sparkle ponies who expect to dance all night at robot heart and do yoga all day in Center Camp. Most of the activity right now is people ALREADY planning how to get themselves, fully self-sufficient, to the playa and back.

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Post by dinopizzajamz » Thu May 06, 2021 4:35 pm

More information about Black Rock Plan B!

Who are we? No-one! Not the org, not trying to organize or dictate anyone's stay on the playa. Just trying to facilitate our stay. People were too far apart in the past. We are planning to build a big man in wood and we will camp around this man; everyone is welcome to join and participate. We will coordinate some villages based on an interactive map (see below). Renting porta-potties is one of the key things — keep poop off the playa. The BLM knows we will be there and is expecting us. We believe in following their rules instead of showing up and having them freak out and close access to the playa. BLM says "we want people to have fun on public lands, be safe, have minimal inpact on environment". 70 camps, 18 mutant vehicles have asked to join us on the playa. We don't know about fire permits, but will work on that with BLM. We are not organizing a giant camp for everyone; everyone will be expected to be self-reliant. Success of the group depends on individual contribution and collaboration. It's a giant potluck — don't ask us what to bring, just bring it. If everyone brings pasta, we'll all eat pasta. Feel free to reach out. But you can just put yourself on the Google map. This is a do-ocracy, don't expect anything on the playa! nobody is going to give you food, ice, water, toilet, shelter. We hope to eliminate negative impact on the playa. LNT! pack it in, pack it out. We have a lot of things that will help facilitate your stay on playa.

Here's a link to the Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/368518897848763/

We will be hosting zoom meetings until the burn to build up the knowledge base, share information, and make it a great burn!

Here's our map so far, 52 camps placed and growing :D
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Post by The Rod » Sat May 08, 2021 10:27 am

Communal Effort coupled with Radical Self Reliance.

I like it. Thanks dinopizzajamz!

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Post by lucky420 » Sat May 08, 2021 2:41 pm

From the Reno Burners FB page

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Update From The BLM: May 4, 2021
BLM’s Winnemucca District Office, which oversees Black Rock City.
In short, they’re still in the process of figuring out the exact rules for the influx of people likely headed to the playa. They found out about the official burn’s cancellation at the same time we did and, like us, they don’t have a good handle on how many people will show up.
They’re happy to have people in disbursed camping, but exactly how big of camps will be encouraged or allowed is TBD.
They were very positive on the week's outlook. To them, having 10k people there over a week isn't a huge deal, given the yearly Burn. They were also pretty cool.
You can find general camping regulations for the BLM and contact for the Winnemucca office here.
Can we burn? Yes. They want people not to dig holes in the playa (no surprise), and want some protection between the fire and the ground. For larger burns and camps, they want people to apply for a permit ahead of time and they can work out the ways to mitigate environmental issues.
Special Recreation Permit. They’re encouraging any substantive camp to apply for this ahead of time. What’s substantive? There’s not a firm definition of that, but they thought that any large group or one that wanted to build or burn something serious should apply. (My gut tells me that’s ~50 people, but that’s my number, not theirs.)
There’s a $115 application fee, which seems reasonable and probably sorely needed in a year where they won’t get big BMORG money. It’ll also give them a better idea on how many resources they might need that week.
To apply, you can find the application here or reach Chelsey McKinney (Burning Man Project Manager) with questions: [email protected], (775) 623-1771.
Off road vehicles will be managed by the Nevada Off-Highway Vehicles Program. (I'll reach out to them this week unless someone here does it first.)
They said there were thousands of campers last year, and overall everyone was super nice and mindful of protecting the environment. This whole BM ethos makes it a good group.
I’ll post updates here when they solidify their plans and we learn more.
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Here's more detailed information from Chelsey McKinney:
“My name is Chelsea McKinney and I work for the Bureau of Land Management in the Black Rock Field Office/Black Rock High Rock Emigrant Trails National Conservation Area. I am writing to you all because you have reached out to our Outdoor Recreation Planner or to our public email, asking questions about what would be needed to bring a group of friends, theme camp members, host a gathering, etc. on the Black Rock Desert playa (NCA) around the time that Burning Man has been held (late August, early September). Internally we have been discussing options and what that would look like and time and personnel power needed. This is an evolving situation and the planning is evolving with the requests and concerns we see as public lands managers. In that effort to provide for safe recreation experiences and protecting the NCA, the BLM would like you to (if you already haven’t) submit a 2930-1 Special Recreation Permit Application and fill out an Operating Plan (attached).
An item of note for your application is that you would be considered an Organized Group. Please select that box. If you intend on charging a fee that would make you commercial.
Once you have filled out the SRP application and Operating Plan, to the best of your ability, please return them to me for review. Emailing me is the best way to make sure I get it. I and the recreation planners will then review them and reach out to you all with questions or next steps. Those next steps could include the following:
Insurance Requirement
Initial payment of $115
Safety Plans/COVID-19 Safety Plans
County Requirements (TBD)
State Requirement (TBD)
If all of those items are met, the application will be processed to a permit and additional items will be needed after the permit (post use reports/closeout).
I want to thank you all for reaching out and asking questions about an area you obviously enjoy visiting. Should you have questions please email me first, and if we need to set up a time to talk I can get that scheduled. I hope you all have a great day.”
Chelsea McKinney
Burning Man Project Manager
Bureau of Land Management
Winnemucca District
Black Rock Field Office
5100 E. Winnemucca Blvd.
Winnemucca, NV 89445
(775) 623-1771 office
[email protected]
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Re: Are you still planning a trip to the Black Rock Desert?

Post by M F Bonz » Sat May 08, 2021 8:41 pm

Thanks!
No problem. Unlikely we will camp near plan B. Hopefully it’ll all work out for them.

We are completely self-sufficient. And it’s only the two of us….
The star shade is hard to miss …especially lit up at night.

Big Blue Doggy, I think would do camp testing in The red rock desert.???
If It starts looking like a cluster fuck we may just go to red rock. We just need a trip to the desert. I haven’t gone to California city in years. A Trip in Mojave might do.

Thanks for the information.

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Re: Are you still planning a trip to the Black Rock Desert?

Post by Captain Goddammit » Sun May 09, 2021 12:12 am

Sham wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:10 am
While Burning Man will not be happening this year,
With all due respect my friend, this straight from the latest JRS newsletter:
“ Burning Man is not cancelled. So get out there and put on your particiPANTS. Discover ways to Make Burning Man Happen 365, learn how to recreate responsibly in the Black Rock Desert,”

“ Burning Man is wherever (and whomever) YOU are.”

So, like, even the Org says it ISN’T cancelled.
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Re: Are you still planning a trip to the Black Rock Desert?

Post by Sham » Sun May 09, 2021 11:17 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 12:12 am
Sham wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:10 am
While Burning Man will not be happening this year,
With all due respect my friend, this straight from the latest JRS newsletter:
“ Burning Man is not cancelled. So get out there and put on your particiPANTS. Discover ways to Make Burning Man Happen 365, learn how to recreate responsibly in the Black Rock Desert,”

“ Burning Man is wherever (and whomever) YOU are.”

So, like, even the Org says it ISN’T cancelled.
Thank you Captain. I stand corrected. Burning Man is not cancelled this year. It's happening in our hearts.

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Re: Are you still planning a trip to the Black Rock Desert?

Post by Captain Goddammit » Mon May 10, 2021 6:42 am

I’m not sure it isn’t happening for real.
It’s the same participants in the same place on the same dates doing pretty much the same thing.
It looks more like BMORG isn’t happening but Burning Man is.

And while last year was awesome, I’m predicting a bit of a shit-show this time. I might go witness it, I might stay the hell away this time lol.
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Re: Are you still planning a trip to the Black Rock Desert?

Post by Sham » Mon May 10, 2021 8:12 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 6:42 am
I’m not sure it isn’t happening for real.
It’s the same participants in the same place on the same dates doing pretty much the same thing.
It looks more like BMORG isn’t happening but Burning Man is.

And while last year was awesome, I’m predicting a bit of a shit-show this time. I might go witness it, I might stay the hell away this time lol.
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