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Post by Elderberry » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:09 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Trust me, O.J. aint no Al Capone.
No, but he is a double murderer.

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:19 pm

ygmir wrote:so, DVD, would it be safe to guess you're a O.J. fan?
Sympathetic?
Nope. Football stars, I have a tendency to think, are idiots.
Tho I think he is above the average when it comes to intelligence for a football player. Not only that, I never liked his movies.
I'm no O.J. fan at all. I just know the facts. Not possible for him to have been able to do it himself.
That is a fact.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:20 pm

jkisha wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Trust me, O.J. aint no Al Capone.
No, but he is a double murderer.

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And what facts are you basing this on?
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Post by ygmir » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:27 pm

Well,
I'd agree he didn't do it alone. A.C. what's his name, IMHO, was with him, and, the little "pretty boy" helped, as well........I forget his name, too.
But,
I just can't see any rational person not feeling he did it, and/or participated in it.......
Geeze, who drives around with a disguise and a bunch of money and evades the police in a slow speed chase, if they're so innocent?
You know he wasn't afraid of the cops, hell, he's one ( police academy), I think..........grin.......

I feel you might be generalizing the circumstances and results of the wounds.
I'd bet, every occurrence of that sort is different......I'm sure you've seen what you describe, but, I think it may be a stretch to apply it in another circumstance without having the exact details.......

Given the same logic, Kennedy committed suicide in Dallas........

Just sayin'............
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:39 pm

ygmir wrote:Well,
I'd agree he didn't do it alone. A.C. what's his name, IMHO, was with him, and, the little "pretty boy" helped, as well........I forget his name, too.
But,
LMFAO!

ygmir wrote:I just can't see any rational person not feeling he did it, and/or participated in it.......
Geeze, who drives around with a disguise and a bunch of money and evades the police in a slow speed chase, if they're so innocent?
You know he wasn't afraid of the cops, hell, he's one ( police academy), I think..........grin.......
Wrong black guy. Bubba Smith is who I think you mean. LOL!

ygmir wrote:I feel you might be generalizing the circumstances and results of the wounds.
Again, here are the facts:

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cas45.htm

AUTOPSY REPORT 94-05136

I performed an autopsy on the body of BROWN-SIMPSON, NICOLE at the
DEPARTMENT OF CORONER Los Angeles, California on June 14, 1994 @0730 HOURS

From the anatomic findings and pertinent history, I ascribe the death to:
MULTIPLE SHARP FORCE INJURIES Due To Or As a Consequence of
_____________________________________________________________

Anatomical Summary:

I. Incised wound of neck:

A. Transection of left and right common carotid arteries.

B. Incisions, left and right internal jugular veins

C. Transection of thyrohyoid membrane, epiglottis, and hypopharynx.

D. Incision into cervical spine, C3.

II. Multiple stab wound of neck and scalp (total of seven).

III. Multiple injuries of hands, including incised wound, ring finger of
right hand (defense wound).

IV. Scalp bruise, right parietal.

NOTES AND PROCEDURES

1. The body is described in the Standard Anatomical Position. Reference
is to this position only.

2. Where necessary, injuries are numbered for reference. This is
arbitrary and does not correspond to any order in which they may have been
incurred. All the injuries are antemortem, unless otherwise specified.

3. The term "anatomic" is used as a specification to indicate
correspondence with the description as set forth in the textbooks of Gross
Anatomy. It denotes freedom from significant, visible or morbid alteration.

EXTERNAL EXAMINATION:

The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female
stated to be 35 years old. The body weighs 129 pounds and measures 65
inches from crown to sole. The hair on the scalp is brown. The irides are
brown with the pupils fixed and dilated. The sclerae and conjunctive are
unremarkable, without evidence of petechial hemorrhages on either. Both
upper and lower teeth are natural, without evidence of injury to the
cheeks, lips or gums.

There are no tattoos, deformities or amputations. Two linear surgical
scars are found beneath each breast, transversely oriented and measuring 2
inches in length.

Rigor mortis is fixed at the time of autopsy examination (please see form
1).

The body appears to the examiner as stated above. Identification is by
toe-tag and the autopsy is not material to identification. The body is not
embalmed.

The head is normocephalic and there is external evidence of antemortem
injury to be described below. Otherwise, the external auditory canals,
eyes, nose and mouth are not remarkable. The neck shows sharp force injury
to be described below, and the larynx is visible through the gaping wound.

No recent traumatic injuries are noted on the chest or abdomen; tan lines
are seen on the lower abdomen (bathing suit). The genitalia are that of
adult female with no gross evidence of injuries. Examination of the
posterior surface at the trunk shows some excoriations compatible with
postmortem injuries on the upper back, right side, on the medial aspect of
the right scapula and on the lateral aspect of the right scapula
(compatible with ant to insect bites). An abrasion above the left scapula
measures 3/4 x 1/2 inch and is red-brown in color and appears antemortem.
Otherwise, the lower back and remainder of the posterior aspect of the
body shows no evidence or recent injuries.

Refer to available photographs and diagrams and the specific
documentation of the autopsy protocol.

CLOTHING:

The decedent was wearing a short black dress, blood stained. Also, she
was wearing a pair of black panties To the unaided eye examination there
was no evidence of cut or tear.

EVIDENCE OF INJURY:

DESCRIPTION OF INCISED WOUND OF NECK:

The incised wound of the neck is gaping and exposes the larynx and
cervical vertebral column. It measures 5 1/2 x 2 1/2 inches in length and
is found at the level of the superior border of the larynx.

After approximation of the edges, it is seen to be diagonally oriented on
the right side and transversely oriented from the midline to the left
side. On the right side it is upwardly angulated toward the right earlobe
and extends for 4 inches from the midline. On the left side it is
transversely oriented and extends 2 1/2 inches to the anterior border of
the left sternocleidomastoid muscle. The edges of the wound are smooth,
with subcutaneous and intramuscular hemorrhage, fresh, dark red purple, is
evident.

On the right side the upwardly angulated wound passes through the skin,
the subcutaneous tissue, the platysma, passing under the ramus of the
right mandible and upward as it passes through the strap muscles on the
right, towards the digastric muscle on the right, and through the
thyrohyoid membrane and ligament. Further dissection discloses that it
passes posteriorly and transects the distal one-third of the epiglottis,
the hypo-pharynx, and passes into the body of the 3rd cervical vertebra
where it transversely oriented 3/4 inch incised wound is seen in the bone,
extending it for a depth of 1/4 inch into the bone. The spinal canal and
cord are not entered.

On the right side superiorly the wound passes towards the insertion of
the sternocleidomastoid muscle, and then becomes more superficial and
tapers as it terminates in the skin below the right earlobe.

On the left side the wound is transversely oriented and extends for 2 1/2
inches where the wound path intersects the stab wounds on the left side of
the neck to be described below.

Dissection discloses that the right common carotid artery is transected
with hemorrhage in the surrounding carotid sheath and there is a 1/4
incised wound or nick in the right internal jugular vein with surrounding
soft tissue hemorrhage.

On the left side the left common carotid artery is transected with
hemorrhage in the surrounding carotid sheath and the left internal jugular
vein is subtotally transected with only a thin strand of tissue remaining
posteriorly with surrounding soft tissue hemorrhage. The injuries on the
left side of the neck intersect and the pathways of the stab wounds on the
left side to be described below.

There is fresh hemorrhage and bruising noted along the entire incised
wound path.

Depth of penetration is not given because the neck can be either flexed
or extended, and the length of the wound is greater than the depth.

Opinion: This is a fatal incised wound or sharp force injury, associated
with transection of the left and right carotid arteries and incisions of
the left and right internal jugular veins with exsanguinating hemorrhage.

DESCRIPTION OF MULTIPLE STAB WOUNDS

There are four stab wounds on the left side of the neck over the left
sternocledomastoid muscle; they extend to 3 inches below the external
auditory canal.

1. This stab wound overlaps that of the incised wound of the neck
described above. The wound measures 5/8 inch in length, is vertically
oriented, and has a squared-off end inferiorly approximately 1/32 inch and
a pointed end superiorly. The minimal depth of the penetration, from left
to right, is 1 1/2 to 2 inches where it intersects the incised wound.
Penetration is through the skin, subcutaneous tissue and muscle, and
injury to the internal jugular vein or common carotid artery cannot be
excluded.

2. Stab wound of left side of neck: This is a 1/8 inch superficial slit-
like incision into the skin and dermis; no squared-off or dull end is
evident.

This is a superficial slit-like wound of the skin, non-fatal.

3. Stab wound on left side of neck: This is a diagonally oriented stab
wound measuring 1/2 inch in length; there is a pointed end on the
posterior aspect and a squared-off end anterior less than 1/32 inch in
length. The edges are smooth, and dissection disposes a depth of
penetration for 1 1/2 to 2 inches where the stab wound intersects that of
the incised wound of the neck; the stab wounds are approximately 1 inch
from the left lateral termination of the incised wound. Fresh hemorrhage
is noted along the wound path which goes through the skin, subcutaneous
tissue and muscle.

Opinion: This stab wound cannot be distinguished from injuries caused by
the incised wound of the neck and may have injured the left common carotid
artery and/or the left internal jugular vein.

4. Stab wound of the left side of neck: This is a diagonally oriented
stab wound measuring 7/8 inch in length; on the posterior aspect there is
a pointed end and on the anterior aspect a squared -off or dull end
approximately 1/32 inch in width; otherwise the edges are smooth.
Subsequent dissection discloses the wound path through the skin,
subcutaneous tissue and muscle where it intersects the incised wound of
the neck. Depth of penetration is 1 - 1/2 inches.

Opinion: This stab wound may have injured the left common carotid artery
and/or the left internal jugular vein as described above.

5. Stab wound of scalp, left parietal: This diagonally oriented stab
wound is located on the left parietal scalp, which is shaved postmortem
for visualization. It measures 1/2 inch in length and no definite squared-
off or dull end is evident, both ends appearing to be rounded. Depth of
penetration is through the scalp, to the galea, approximately 3/8 - 1/2
inch. There is deep scalp hemorrhage and a subgaleal bruise, measuring 1
1/2 x 1 1/2 inches; there is no cutting wound or injury to the skull and
there is no penetration into the cranium.

Opinion: This is a superficial stab wound or cutting wound of the scalp,
non-fatal.

6. Stab wound or cutting wound of scalp: This is transversely oriented
and is found in the right posterior parietal-occipital region. The
transversely oriented wound measures 1 1/2 inches in length and has a
pointed end to the left and a fork or split into the right. Depth of
penetration is 3/8 - 1 1/2 inches with fresh deep scalp bruising.

Opinion: This is a non-fatal, stabbing or cutting wound of the scalp.

7. Stab wound or cutting wound of the scalp, right parietal-occipital:
This is vertically oriented, measures 3/16 inch in length and involves the
skin only. No squared-off or dull end is evident, both ends or aspects
being pointed or tapered.

There is a small amount of deep scalp hemorrhage or bruising, no
subgaleal hemorrhage.

Opinion: This is a non-fatal superficial stabbing or cutting wound of the
scalp.

8. Blunt force injury to head: On the right side of the scalp, 4 inches
above the right external auditory canal there is a scalp bruise; this is
revealed after postmortem shaving of the scalp. It measures 1 x 1 inches
and is red-violet or purple in color. The skin is smooth, non-abraded or
lacerated. Subsequent autopsy discloses fresh deep scalp hemorrhage and
fresh dark red-purple subgaleal hemorrhage or bruising measuring 2 x 1 1/4
inches. Inferiorly the bruise extends to the superficial right temporal
muscle. There is no associated skull fracture.

INJURIES TO HANDS:

Right hand: There is a 5/8 incised wound of the volar surface of the
right index finger at the distal knuckle. This 5/8 inch incised wound is
tangentially oriented or cut through the skin and dermis with the avulsed
skin inferiorly indicating that the direction is from distal to proximal.

Further examination discloses that there is a split or forked end on the
ulnar aspect and pointed end on the radial aspect. There is a small amount
of dermal hemorrhage.

On the dorsal surface of the right hand, at the base of the ring finger,
there is a 1/16 inch punctate abrasion.

Left hand: On the dorsal surface of the left hand, there is a punctate
abrasion, red-brown in color at the base of the ring finger.

There is a 1/2 inch superficial incised skin cut, 1/2 inch in length,
diagonally oriented, on the top of the left hand, midportion.

INTERNAL EXAMINATION

The body is opened with the usual Y-shaped thoracoabdominal incision
revealing the abdominal wall adipose tissue to measure 1/4 - 3/8 inch in
thickness. The anterior abdominal wall has its normal muscular components
and there is no evidence of abdominal wall injury. Exposure of the body
cavities shows the contained organs in their usual anatomic locations with
their usual anatomic relationships. No free fluid or blood is found within
the pleural, pericardial, or the peritoneal cavities. The serosal surfaces
are smooth, thin, and glistening and there are no intra-abdominal
adhesions.

INTERNAL EVIDENCE OF INJURIES:

There are no internal traumatic injuries involving the thorax or thoracic
viscera, abdomen or abdominal viscera.

SYSTEMIC AND ORGAN REVIEW:

Autopsy findings, or the lack of them, are considered apart from those
already stated. The following observations pertain to findings other than
the injuries and changes that are described above.

MUSCULOSKELETAL SYSTEM--SUBCUTANEOUS TISSUE--SKIN

Examination of the breasts reveals bilateral silastic implants that are
intact. Otherwise, no other significant changes are noted in the breasts.
The remainder of the musculoskeletal system and subcutaneous tissue are
anatomic.

HEAD--CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM

The external injuries to the scalp have been described. A small abrasion,
red-brown in color, measuring 3/8 x 1/4 inch and appearing to be
antemortem is found lateral-posterior to the right eyebrow and this is a
non-patterned superficial abrasion.

The hemorrhage beneath the scalp, due to the sharp force injuries have
been described. There is no hemorrhage deep into the temporal muscles.

There are no tears of the dura mater and no recent epidural, subdural, or
subarachnoid hemorrhage.

The dura is stripped to reveal no fractures of the bones of the calvarium
or base of the skull.

The pituitary gland is normally situated in the sella turcica and is not
enlarged.

The cranial nerves are enumerated and they are intact, symmetrical and
anatomic in size, location and course.

The component vessels of the circle of Willis are identified. They are
anatomic in size, course, configuration and distribution. The blood
vessels are intact, free of aneurysms or other anomaly, and non-occluded
and show no significant atherosclerosis.

Examination of the non-formalin fixed, fresh brain shows: The cerebral
hemispheres, cerebellum, brainstem, pons and medulla to show their normal
anatomical structures. The cerebellar, the pontine and medullary surfaces
present no lesions. Multiple sections reveal an anatomic appearing cortex,
white matter, ventricular system and basal ganglia. There is no evidence
of hemorrhage, cyst or neoplasm involving the brain substance.

The spinal chord, in the vicinity of the cervical incised wound is
dissected; there is no evidence or intraspinal hemorrhage and no evidence
of sharp force injury to the spinal chord.

ORGANS OF SPECIAL SENSES:

Not dissected.
RESPIRATORY SYSTEM--THROAT STRUCTURES

The oral cavity, viewed from below, is anatomic. The teeth are examined
and there is no evidence of injury and there is no evidence of injury to
the cheeks, lips, gums, or tongue. No blood is present.

Injuries to the upper airway including the incised wound of the
hypopharynx and epiglottis have been described. Otherwise, the mucosa of
the larynx, piriform sinuses, trachea and major bronchi are anatomic. No
mucosal lesions are evident and no blood is present.

The hyoid bone and thyroid cartilages are intact, inasmuch as the incised
wound passes through the thyrohyoid membrane and ligament and both greater
cornuas of the thyroid cartilage are intact. Hemorrhage is present in the
tissue adjacent to the neck organs due to the incised would as described
above. There is no hemorrhage into the substance of the thyroid gland
which anatomic in size and location. The parathyroid glands are not
identified.

Lungs: Right lung weighs 330 grams; left lung 300 grams. The external
appearance and that of the sectioned surface of the lungs show minimal
congestion and otherwise no injuries or lesions. No foreign material,
infarction, or neoplasm is encountered. The pulmonary arteries are free of
thromboemboli.

CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM:

The heart weighs 280 grams, and is anatomic in size and configuration.
The chambers, valves and myocardium are anatomic, and a minimal amount of
liquid blood is found within the cardiac chambers. No focal endocardial,
valvular, or myocardial lesions are seen. There are no congenital
anomalies.

Multiple transverse sections of the left and right coronary arteries
reveal them to be thin-walled and patent throughout with no significant
atherosclerosis. The aorta and major branches are anatomic and show only
minimal lipid streaking of the intima. The portal and caval veins and the
major branches are anatomic.

Note: The injuries of the common carotid arteries and internal jugular
veins have been described above.

GASTROINTESTINAL SYSTEM:

The mucosa and wall of the esophagus are intact and gray-pink and no
lesions or injuries are evident.

The gastric mucosa is intact and pink. No mucosal lesions are evident and
there are no residuals of medication or blood.

Examination of the gastric contents reveals approximately 500 ml. of
chewed semisolid food in the stomach. Recognizable food particles are
identified as follows: pieces of pasta appearing to be rigatoni, fragments
of apparent spinach leaves; and the remainder, chewed, partially digested
non-recognizable food material.

The mucosa of the duodenum, jejunum, ileum, colon and rectum are intact.
The lumen is patent. No mucosal lesions are evident, and no blood is
present. The fecal content is usual in appearance.

HEPATOBILIARY SYSTEM -- PANCREAS

The liver weighs 1370 grams. The capsular surface is intact. The
subcapsular and the cut surface of the liver are uniformly brown-red in
color, and free of nodularity and are usual in appearance. The biliary
duct system, including the gallbladder, are free of anomaly and no lesions
are evident. The mucosa is intact and bile stained. The lumen are patent
and no calculi are present.

The pancreas is anatomic both externally and on cut surface.

HEMOLYMPHATIC SYSTEM -- ADRENAL GLAND

The spleen weighs 90 grams and has an intact capsule. Cut surface shows
the usual dark red-purple parenchyma which is firm and no lesions are
evident.

The blood, the bone marrow and the usually-named aggregates of lymph
nodes do not appear to be significantly altered.

The thymus gland is no identifiable.

The adrenal glands are their usual size and location and cut surface
presents no lesions.

URINARY SYSTEM:

Each kidney weights 100 grams. The kidneys are anatomic in size, location
and configuration. The capsules are stripped to show a pale brown surface.
On section the cut surface shows no abnormalities of the cortex and
medulla.

The calyces, pelves, ureters and urinary bladder are unaltered in
appearance. The mucosa is gray-pink, no calculi are present and no blood
is present.

The urinary bladder contains a few ml. of clear urine.

GENITAL SYSTEM (female)

The uterus, tubes, and adnexa are anatomic. Cut surface of the uterus
shows no lesions and a thin light brown endometrium. The vagina has its
normal mucosal surface and no lesions or injuries are evident.

HISTOLOGY:

Representative portions of the various organs, including the larynx and
hyoid, are preserved in 10% formaldehyde and placed in a single storage
container.

TOXICOLOGY:

A sample of cardiac chamber blood and urine are submitted for toxicologic
analysis.

SEROLOGY:

A sample of intracardiac blood is submitted in an EDTA tube,

RADIOLOGY:

None.

PHOTOGRAPHY:

In addition to the routine identification photographs, pertinent
photographs are taken of the external injury.

WITNESSES:

Detective Van Natter and Lange, Los Angeles Police Department, Robbery-
Homicide, were present during the autopsy.

DIAGRAMS USED:

Forms 16, 20, 20D, 20F, 20G, 20H, 22, 23, 24 and 29 were utilized during
the performance of the autopsy.

OPINION:

Death is attributed to multiple sharp force injuries, including a deep
incised wound of the neck and multiple stab wounds of the neck.

The sharp force injuries led to transection of the left and right common
carotid arteries, and incisions of the left and right internal jugular
vein causing fatal exsanguinating hemorrhage. The sharp force injury to
the scalp were superficial, non-fatal.

Injuries present on the hands, including the incised wound of the right
hand are compatible so-called defense wounds.

Routine toxicologic studies were ordered.

/s/ Irwin L. Golden M.D.
IRWIN L. GOLDEN
DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER

Date: June 16, 1994

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ygmir wrote:I'd bet, every occurrence of that sort is different......I'm sure you've seen what you describe, but, I think it may be a stretch to apply it in another circumstance without having the exact details.......
Nope, the facts remain the same. When someone gets stabbed the way Nicole and Ron did, it still will be the same result. This is also what the top forensic specialist in the original O.J. case stated also.
ygmir wrote:Given the same logic, Kennedy committed suicide in Dallas........

Just sayin'............

Joke all you like, I like jokes, but facts can work out to be much better.
Might want to try it sometime.
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DVD Burner wrote:Trust me, O.J. aint no Al Capone.
Me thinks you missed the point.
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Post by ygmir » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:02 pm

wow,
that's a lot of info.......
good job on the research, I applaud that.

I understand what you are saying, and, your opinion.
I just disagree.
I think, the physical evidence, combined with circumstantial evidence, all point to him, probably others involved, as well.

I think the trial and case were "blown" on purpose, by high level politicians putting pressure on the police and DA, because they didn't want a repeat of the L.A. riots, on a massive, nationwide scale......

His fans and supporters, it was considered, would riot just like before, but, on a grander scale.......

I don't think the public ever got the real story, and, probably never will.

But, it's just my opinion, so, that and a buck will get you a cup of coffee.......

OH yeah,
I thought O.J. played a trainee in one of those "Police Academy" movies......
I know he was in an "Airplane" movie.......
Of course, I've been wrong before, and, will be again.......CRS and all that.......But, you may be right, maybe it was Bubba....it's been a long time since I've seen those wacky flicks....
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DVD Burner wrote:Trust me, O.J. aint no Al Capone.
Me thinks you missed the point.
Me thinks many people refuse to see my point.
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Post by ygmir » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:12 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
**burn** wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Trust me, O.J. aint no Al Capone.
Me thinks you missed the point.
Me thinks many people refuse to see my point.
see my above post.......
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:12 pm

ygmir wrote:wow,
that's a lot of info.......
good job on the research, I applaud that.

Thanks!
ygmir wrote:I understand what you are saying, and, your opinion.
I just disagree.

It's not my opinion, I'm just pointing out the facts. If anything, most dont agree with the facts.
Probably from watching too much TV or American movies in general.


ygmir wrote:I think, the physical evidence, combined with circumstantial evidence, all point to him, probably others involved, as well.
Well we cant count on the physical evidence and as far as circumstantial evidence........:shock: :?

ygmir wrote:OH yeah,
I thought O.J. played a trainee in one of those "Police Academy" movies......
I know he was in an "Airplane" movie.......
Of course, I've been wrong before, and, will be again.......CRS and all that.......But, you may be right, maybe it was Bubba....it's been a long time since I've seen those wacky flicks....
Nope he wasn't in Police Academy and as far as Airplane, I'm just not sure. My roommate is in that movie, I'll have to ask him during poker tonight.
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DVD Burner wrote:
**burn** wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Trust me, O.J. aint no Al Capone.
Me thinks you missed the point.
Me thinks many people refuse to see my point.

I agree that most probably have not witnessed a stabbing near the heart and I understand what a mess it makes, and even how complicated it is to clean up. I agree that something was fishy with the first trial in LA. While I think (no facts to back this; strictly my opinion) he was not fully responsible for the murders, I do think he had something to do with it and knows more then he offers.
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**burn** wrote:
I agree that most probably have not witnessed a stabbing near the heart and I understand what a mess it makes, and even how complicated it is to clean up. I agree that something was fishy with the first trial in LA. While I think (no facts to back this; strictly my opinion) he was not fully responsible for the murders, I do think he had something to do with it and knows more then he offers.
I think Nicole's little girlfriend/buddy got her killed.

Now that's my opinion since she disappeared out of the spotlight ever since then. We dont hear anything about her.
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Post by ygmir » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:26 pm

I'm thinking he was in "Naked Gun" movies.....

All those nutty movies blend together for me.....dang that CRS.......
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:28 pm

ygmir wrote:I'm thinking he was in "Naked Gun" movies.....

All those nutty movies blend together for me.....dang that CRS.......
Yeah, I hated all those movies except Airplane of course. :P
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Post by Toolmaker » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:04 am

The sole purpose of the OJ hype is to keep Americans from worryin about the real news.
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Post by ygmir » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:39 am

Toolmaker, there is a lot of truth to what you say, with all the "news"........
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Post by wedeliver » Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:03 am

The "truth" of the matter and the "facts" are.

1. 2 people killed.
2. Someone killed them.
After many years, Millions of dollars offered by the press for information still no one other then Simpson stands out.
Back to number 2. Someone killed those two people.

No need to debate the crime scene, because it is what it is. There was No Massive Blood Trail. No matter who did the deed, just a shoe print and a gloove, a little blood on the back gate if I remember correctly.

3. Most likely person to have killed those two people??

Now we have a robbery in Las Vegas, not Florida as someone, who claims to be informed, said.

It was a robbery, guns were used, items where stolen. It was Simpsons shit, it was Simpsons plan. I am really glad he was unable to buy his way out of that and finally got caught.
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Post by Elderberry » Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:29 am

Toolmaker wrote:The sole purpose of the OJ hype is to keep Americans from worryin about the real news.
OH BULLSHIT! The reason for all the OJ hype is that the majority of "Joe SixPacks" in this country care more about OJ (or feel free to insert any other cultural icon/movie/sports star) than the real news.

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Post by Toolmaker » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:20 am

jkisha wrote:
Toolmaker wrote:The sole purpose of the OJ hype is to keep Americans from worryin about the real news.
OH BULLSHIT! The reason for all the OJ hype is that the majority of "Joe SixPacks" in this country care more about OJ (or feel free to insert any other cultural icon/movie/sports star) than the real news.

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Post by moesy » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:03 am

That man does not deserve the attention the he receives. I refuse to even say his name. I wont even call Orange Juice by an abbreviation anymore.

He is a murderer and a thief. The first of a "generation" of sport stars that "thug out" and think that rules and laws do not apply to them due to superstar status.

Jkisha, Toolmaker, you are correct, professional sports are a distraction that politicians embrace. Keeps "joe sixpack" from paying attention to what really matters in our country.
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Post by lurker » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:59 am

Ah, the autopsy reports were posted(legally?) to give creddence to this--
Let me say one thing before going back to reading.
It's quite obvious no one here has seen anyone up close get stabbed the way Nicole did in the areas of her body the way she did.
Here is one fact, when someone gets stabbed in the area near their heart the way she did, blood gets everywhere, and I do mean EVERYWHERE. IT IS LITERALLY A BLOODY MESS, not to mention the way blood squirts out of the body in the area where was stabbed. You do not just get in your car or run from a scene, take a shower, change clothes and have no blood in the drains where you wash and only blood drops in your car. (tainted blood drops mind you). Another thing, blood does not come off easily. For someone to have stabbed her the way she was stabbed, (mind you there was more than one type of knife wound on Nicole and Ron) one would leave a trail of blood as were left at the scene with those bloody shoe prints.
I've got an interesting take on this, as an effects arist, I recognise, in this, the opinion of a person who's seen a lot of movies(apt for a 'dvd burner'?)

As the close friend of a coroner, I recognise someone who doesn't understand how blood reacts in a crime scene situation such as the one in question.

Blood does not spray from a slashed throat. It burbles. Think I'm lying? Watch the episodes of Bizarre Foods and No Rreservations when they show animal slasughter. Or, if you're not faint of heart, watch the Daniel Pearl video that's still floating around the internet. His head was sawn off--there was no spray. That's why tracheotomies don't result in huge sprays of blood on the doctor/emt/savvy samaritan administering them.

Once the circulatory system is compromised blood flow is under less pressure, as the system has a hole in it that is leaking fluid.

Now, none of this is to say that there's no blood--only that the amount found was consistent with the crime.

See, there WAS blood found in the shower drain--and in the grout. There WERE bloody clothes that were not disposed of(socks--at the bottom of a hamper in the bedroom)

My coroner friend--and his entire office followed this case closely--the LA coroners are the 'rock stars' of the business. They were appalled at what was disallowed.

Disallowed--as in not allowed in court. OJ's shower was among the things that was taken out of evidence.

DVD labors under the illusion that someone was 'out to get' OJ--as if the South Park segments were true.

Weirdly, it appears that the opposite might have been the case.
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Post by lurker » Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:15 am

Y'know, I just re-read the post I quoted and then re-read the autopsy report.

There's no stab near the heart. She was not stabbed in the heart--or near it, the heart and lungs were anatomic. The autopsy states--
No recent traumatic injuries are noted on the chest or abdomen
Is this like your bit about the 'trial in Florida', DVD? Because it sure looks like you're way off base here. And your own posts are what reveals that.
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Post by thirt33n » Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:53 pm

DVD Burner wrote:I guess that's what it's all about anyway eh?

The L.A. trial.

:? :roll:
it's all about skin color.
you know that as much as anyone here,...mr. predictable.
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Post by thirt33n » Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:02 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Trust me, O.J. aint no Al Capone.
right. he is a moron, a criminal, a bad father, screwed, and, literally, a KILLER running back.

howard cosell said it better but, MAN O.J. could run!
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Post by Purrjian » Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:26 pm

Guilty or not, his view on "love" makes him seem somewhat psychotic:

""Let's say I committed this crime," he told Esquire magazine in 1998. "Even if I did do this, it would have to have been because I loved her very much, right?"
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:56 pm

thirt33n wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:I guess that's what it's all about anyway eh?

The L.A. trial.

:? :roll:
it's all about skin color.
you know that as much as anyone here,...mr. predictable.
That part is the bummer of it all huh?
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:35 pm

lurker wrote:Ah, the autopsy reports were posted(legally?) to give creddence to this--
Let me say one thing before going back to reading.
It's quite obvious no one here has seen anyone up close get stabbed the way Nicole did in the areas of her body the way she did.
Here is one fact, when someone gets stabbed in the area near their heart the way she did, blood gets everywhere, and I do mean EVERYWHERE. IT IS LITERALLY A BLOODY MESS, not to mention the way blood squirts out of the body in the area where was stabbed. You do not just get in your car or run from a scene, take a shower, change clothes and have no blood in the drains where you wash and only blood drops in your car. (tainted blood drops mind you). Another thing, blood does not come off easily. For someone to have stabbed her the way she was stabbed, (mind you there was more than one type of knife wound on Nicole and Ron) one would leave a trail of blood as were left at the scene with those bloody shoe prints.
I've got an interesting take on this, as an effects arist, I recognise, in this, the opinion of a person who's seen a lot of movies(apt for a 'dvd burner'?)

As the close friend of a coroner, I recognise someone who doesn't understand how blood reacts in a crime scene situation such as the one in question.

Blood does not spray from a slashed throat. It burbles. Think I'm lying? Watch the episodes of Bizarre Foods and No Rreservations when they show animal slasughter. Or, if you're not faint of heart, watch the Daniel Pearl video that's still floating around the internet. His head was sawn off--there was no spray. That's why tracheotomies don't result in huge sprays of blood on the doctor/emt/savvy samaritan administering them.

Once the circulatory system is compromised blood flow is under less pressure, as the system has a hole in it that is leaking fluid.

Now, none of this is to say that there's no blood--only that the amount found was consistent with the crime.

See, there WAS blood found in the shower drain--and in the grout. There WERE bloody clothes that were not disposed of(socks--at the bottom of a hamper in the bedroom)

My coroner friend--and his entire office followed this case closely--the LA coroners are the 'rock stars' of the business. They were appalled at what was disallowed.

Disallowed--as in not allowed in court. OJ's shower was among the things that was taken out of evidence.

DVD labors under the illusion that someone was 'out to get' OJ--as if the South Park segments were true.

Weirdly, it appears that the opposite might have been the case.

You are entitled to your opinion.

I'll just stick with the facts and go with what I know.

And I know what I've seen when it comes to people getting stabbed.

For you I guess being a special fx artist is good enough for you.
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Post by Oldguy » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:39 pm

Federal judge has ordered Gitmo to release 17 Chinese muslims by Friday. Whitehouse expected to seek stay of order. If denied, case may go to Supreme Court. Suspects have never been charged with any offence.

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Re: Gitmo ordered to release prisoners

Post by ygmir » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:12 pm

Oldguy wrote:Federal judge has ordered Gitmo to release 17 Chinese muslims by Friday. Whitehouse expected to seek stay of order. If denied, case may go to Supreme Court. Suspects have never been charged with any offence.
that's disappointing to me, that, they could be held that long with no trial......
I'd say either drown them or let them go, but, don't take so long......
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