Don't build your for profit business on Burning Man

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Don't build your for profit business on Burning Man

Post by some seeing eye » Tue May 26, 2020 1:30 pm

Some rangers made a for profit spinout providing security to festivals. They are now begging "the community" for work. Nope.

Sure there are other examples.
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Re: Don't build your for profit business on Burning Man

Post by Bless » Wed May 27, 2020 6:13 am

Why is BMorg allowed to profit off of TTITD but not Rangers?
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Post by ygmir » Wed May 27, 2020 6:15 am

Bless wrote:
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Why is BMorg allowed to profit off of TTITD but not Rangers?
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Post by privet » Sat May 30, 2020 4:28 am

Bless wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 6:13 am
Why is BMorg allowed to profit off of TTITD but not Rangers?
I agree with you, that this is not right

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Post by Elderberry » Sat May 30, 2020 4:50 am

How can a non-profit corporation make a profit?
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Post by Bless » Sat May 30, 2020 10:19 am

MM makes $300k salary a year from that thing in the desert. Would you or wouldn't you say she personally profits off of the TTITD trademark?

Why was this film allowed to shoot at the burn? Did these filmmakers profit off of TTITD? I assume so.



Then there was the official Burning Man documentary:



I assume some profit was collected there...

Then of course is actually Burning Man merchandise: https://marketplace.burningman.org/

I'm sure some of you visited the Smithsonian Exhibit at the Renwick Gallery in DC on BM. They had a gift shop there as well. I wonder if any one profited off of those sales: https://americanart.si.edu/exhibitions/burning-man

I'm sure there are countless more examples.

My whole point is that it is up to the powers that be to decide who and when people profit off of the event. I think that's rather arbitrary and capricious.
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Post by Elderberry » Sat May 30, 2020 12:10 pm

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Post by Elderberry » Sat May 30, 2020 12:21 pm

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Re: Don't build your for profit business on Burning Man

Post by some seeing eye » Sat May 30, 2020 2:03 pm

In my humble opinion, the conversion of the LLC to a non-profit was a brilliant piece of legal work. If you have followed the BORG you have seen the legal team at work on the Pershing lawsuit, trademark, all the fine print on the ticket, the EIS, and now the BLM lawsuit.

Non-profits are first, an IRS corporation tax status, and second, they are governed by state law. That constrains many things suggested for getting them out of their Corona-cash-flow-pickle.

Many nonprofits pay their executives very well. Look at your local Goodwill, Blue Cross-Blue Shield, hospital, etc. They have massive revenues.

In non-profits, there is "earned income" which you can easily look up. I think "the BORG mission" is probably to "educate" people on the "10 Principles" at their yearly week long campout, while "promoting the arts."

It is probably not hard to dig up the bylaws. And while we are shut in quarantine, the 990 makes for good reading, though I wouldn't say great reading :)
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Re: Don't build your for profit business on Burning Man

Post by Ratty » Sat May 30, 2020 2:29 pm

Why is BMorg allowed to profit off of TTITD but not Rangers?
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Re: Don't build your for profit business on Burning Man

Post by Token » Sat May 30, 2020 9:26 pm

LOL, of all things BORG to get butt-hurt over, this ain’t even on the list.

BORG going non-profit was the right thing on many levels. The big one on nonprofits is no ownership and no shares to trade. It is strictly accountable to its mission, not shareholders.

Anyone that can run a business that grew out of the BM culture - more power to them.

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Re: Don't build your for profit business on Burning Man

Post by some seeing eye » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:24 am

johnbeck7799 wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:20 am
Why do you say that High Rock Security can't function? They do.
I did not say that.

I don't think for profit businesses built by burners are "community" which burners need any special loyalty to beyond long time individual person to person relationships outside the burn.
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