Negative Camp Atmosphere

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Negative Camp Atmosphere

Post by jc » Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:39 pm

:? I want to run this past a few of you. I've been camping w/ a group of people for the past few years at BM. We have a great set-up. I enjoy seeing these old friends each yr. However, our camp is not the most loving. Several folks tend to point out the "negatives" in others we meet or see at BM. Even w/ each other there's sharp comments. It's kind of a sarcastic humor taken to the extreeme. I go to BM to leave the negativity of the world behind and meet all kinds of people. Last yr when something negative was said or done, I'd point it out. It didn't seem to help much. I'm thinking of joining another camp or setting out on my own in 07'. Or should I stay and try not to let it bother me? Obviously there's + & - w/ staying and going. What do yous think? :?: Reply or take the Pole.

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Post by loveforest » Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:33 pm

take the pole? or poll?
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Post by unjonharley » Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:59 pm

Sounds to me your mind is made up. Your looking for a way to break from where your at. I aso sounds like your would stay if some one would diss you for saying your going.


Do a little art project and set your camp else where.


If some one talks shit about you that means there not talking about me.

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Post by jc » Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:57 pm

I think you're right. I'm going to set out to find another home camp. I'll start looking around.

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Post by AntiM » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:36 pm

Our camp/camps get along famously, but we see each other in the default world, well quite often. Some of us have even lived under one roof. But we have several newbs this year, and even though thye're great and fit right in, we've started a private little tribe over on tribe.net just to discuss expectations, logistics and even simple camp etiquette.

Just a thought.

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Post by Dork » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:57 pm

I didn't find a drama-free camp until my 4th year, which formed after a big camp blow-up in year 3. I've been with that same group ever since. Others have left our group for various reasons but they still stop by to hang out. There's no taboo about switching camps if the one you're with isn't a perfect fit.

Also, great set-ups are overrated. They certainly make things easier, but it won't turn a bad social situation into a good one. Get enough personal gear together so you don't feel stuck with any particular group and don't rule out a group just because they don't have good gear yet.

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Post by Dr. Pyro » Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:31 am

Don't even consider our camp. You'd hate it. Even we hate it. It sucks.

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Post by gyre » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:13 pm

I've been there.

It does suck.

But they are such fun,
you don't care.
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It would be a shame if I had to resort to self-deception to preserve my faith in objective reality.

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Post by jc » Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:17 pm

good stuff thx

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:19 am

Okay, the burning of the man started with what inspiration?

Answer: Larry Harvey allegedly broke up with his girlfriend, and decided to burn an effigy on the beach.

What kind of energy do you think is inherited by the BM experience?

Answer: Breaking up, making new beginnings. That's why BM is hard on relationships. Don't you blame the dust.

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Post by Bob » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:40 am

Funny how your camp stopped being negative as soon as you left.
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Post by Captain Goddammit » Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:07 pm

OH! When I read "negative atmosphere", I thought you meant your camp was in a vacuum...
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Post by jc » Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:33 pm

Yea but they're going to miss me when I'm gone.... I think?

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Re: Negative Camp Atmosphere

Post by the fire elf » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:19 pm

jc wrote::?should I stay and try not to let it bother me? Obviously there's + & - w/ staying and going. What do yous think? :?:
imagine the camps are like their own little worlds and you're free to go to any one when you're at the event, but realistically only those who happen to live around you the other 348 days

at the burn, when your realistic options increase to roughly %100 at an inverse time change of "this is reality", so should the value of your choice

much better to practice your ability of not being bothered by unsavoryness in the off-season
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Post by skygod » Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:48 pm

The freedom to risk everything is a luxury you CAN afford at Burning Man!
Stay away from the fluffy-bunny shirt-cockers, however.
"It will seem difficult in the beginning. But everything seems difficult in the beginning."- Musashi

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Post by unjonharley » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:27 pm

skygod wrote:The freedom to risk everything is a luxury you CAN afford at Burning Man!
Stay away from the fluffy-bunny shirt-cockers, however.
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Did our skygod learn some thing we should know about??????

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Post by skygod » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:15 pm

I tell ya what , unjon, that article about shirtcockers in the Piss Clear newspaper was the funniest goddamn thing I have read in a long time!

http://www.pissclear.org/PDFArchives/Pi ... t_2006.pdf

an example of Capn Shady's monument to hilarity:

I mean, nothing beats shirt-cockin’
it! If there’s one place in the world where I
can show off my chubby ass, hooked penis, and
misshapen balls, it’s Black Rock City!

I laughed so hard I almost threw up!
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:24 pm

Try camping by yourself.
I've never experienced the camp theme stuff and I might someday, but that takes organization and I like being free and reaching out to other solo campers in the walk-in camping area.

And if some of them are negative that means I don't have to visit them or look at them every morning, but I still have to really find a negative person in our area.

You should try Bitch Camp or Fuck you Camp. Where people are negative for the hell of it.

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Post by the fire elf » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:48 pm

last year i went i left a shiny gold lost and found box left over from solfest in the corner of the city with warmer clothes in it during the day and cooler clothes in it at night

and i found interactive sleeping arrangements
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Post by jc » Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:59 pm

I tried camping solo my fist yr. It was kind of lonely.

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Post by mars » Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:58 pm

Man, there are soooooo many camps out there....it's a huge city...either spend less time with those negative folks, a lot less time, or join another camp.

You've got lots of time, lots of camps and lots of different people to choose from...don't hang out somewhere that's not a good fit for you--that's silly!
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Post by kyoto » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:12 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:Okay, the burning of the man started with what inspiration?

Answer: Larry Harvey allegedly broke up with his girlfriend, and decided to burn an effigy on the beach.
I think he went back on that a couple of years ago. He claimed he said it in a moment of weakness after having to put up with people asking him to justify it all the time. Its in one of his talks which you can find on the web site somewhere. He went on to explain that there was actually no reason at all for it! He just phoned up a friend and said lets bung all this wood together in the shape of a man and go burn it. Whatever... I love the idea that there was no reason for it, yet people think it means so much. That, in itself, means so much. If you get what I mean.

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Post by the fire elf » Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:00 pm

i get it

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Post by K-mom » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:56 pm

No Logic!
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Post by the fire elf » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:23 am

i've got two tats on my spine so it's no longer an issue for me
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Post by bedlam » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:35 pm

jc, try to find nicer people to go with. there's this eplaya thing, and there might be meetings earlier in the year for people to meet up, just try to hook up with nicer people. if that doesn't work, then go with the ones you are with and just use your camp for it's resources and hang out at everyone else's camps.

when you are around the dickheads, just pretend it's All In The Family or some seventies sitcom, just think of it as a joke and laugh. Help weak people if you can but watch out for the passive-aggressive thing.

and for sure go spend a week all alone, talk to yourself, sing to yourself, read out loud, make speeches or just sit in silence. the first time i went to BM i took a tape recorder and for the first few days i made constant entries. I just listened to it again last night and i couldn't believe how much whining and bitching i did. if the only one whose feeling chafed by the sarcasm and sharp wit is you, then either get out or learn to enjoy it i guess.

don't feel lonely though, lots of people feel that. the really cool people i've met deal with it by open up more and more, by the time me or somebody tries to stab their heart, i'm already elbows deep in their heart, and i'm laughing and joking about the whole Big Scene thing. but those are the Walk-On-Water people, they are VERY fuckin rare.

personally, my strategy is strategic thermonuclear bombardment: as soon as they piss me off, i "unborrow" all my shit, pack up and sayonara suckers. just make sure you have enough good general gear to either get by on your own, or better yet, amscray to the cool place where you have gear they need and they are polite.

there is something to be said for breaking rules and laughing in the face of death and being an iconoclast and forging new ways of being big and smart and important.

there is also something to be said for having good manners and showing that ma and pa knew the difference between being polite and being pushovers.

it's easy to be a dick. it's very hard to be graceful when a dick pushes you around. and if it's that the dicks are pushing other people around, what are you waiting for Sir Galahad? This world needs knights in shining armor and lost causes by the bushel if we're gonna keep this industrial output going! Bread and Circuses, fight for your emperor, get all romantic and hi falutin! You don't have to be a hero to play one on TV and if burningman isn't fake, i don't know what is!

"A Criminal is a person without sufficient
predatory instincts to form a corporation." -- some dude i forget

either dance the cluster fuck or find a monastery.

or be a Ronin.

the open heart people are the real masters of this, though. there was one woman, i laid into her with everything i had, and inside of ten minutes, i felt like i was sitting at a table with my grandma while she made me breakfast.

it was thirty minutes later when i actually realized what happened and i cried like nancy kerrigan. and, as they say, there is nothing worse than watching

A Fat Man Weep,
Love,
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Post by the fire elf » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:03 pm

when i was with the nazir i told them i desired to create a community of adepts in the desert... the ability to live in the desert consistently without supplies would cull the herd... such would be the beginings of a kingdom...

such is what occupies me...

as for what you do at an art party; well that is very much up to you...

if you seek new levels of bliss and wish to sustain them, there are ways...

not everyone authentically experiences such a desire, though their minds would have them think otherwise...

where your head is at and where your heart is at is a matter quite beyond any relevance handing you 'a recipe for the perfect BM experience' might have

some people need stress about as much as others need love

i say let 'em have it
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Re: ...

Post by bedlam » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:06 pm

the fire elf wrote:
some people need stress about as much as others need love

i say let 'em have it
i like you
you can fuck my sister

love,
bedlam

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Post by the fire elf » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:11 pm

thanx
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Post by skygod » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:06 pm

bedlam wrote: i actually realized what happened and i cried
Emotional Risk is the ultimate luxury.
BM is one of the few places that I can afford that luxury.
"It will seem difficult in the beginning. But everything seems difficult in the beginning."- Musashi

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