Center Camp/coffee debate

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Post by Rob the Wop » Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:41 pm

missmann wrote: i found it interesting that 3 out of five times when i would say hi and ask someone how their day was going they would bark a coffee order at me, and refuse to acknowledge the fact that i was trying to be friendly and interact with them. i found it startling how many people purchasing coffee seemed to think that the majik coffee faeries would instantly have their dry low fat half cappo half mocha with 6 shots of espresso and 2 vanilla flavour shots (like we even had that, read the menu) appear even though we had 14 cups lined up for the barista at our station. i found it disgusting how many people seemed to think that since there was money involved there didn't need to be any manners involved on their part. WE WERE IN THE DESERT AT BURNINGMAN- WHAT THE HELL!!???
You just made a great example of why the Center Camp cafe should be shut down. I brought a little $35 expresso machine with me (98?). I made coffee for folks in the morning for free. No one gave me any shit on what I could serve them. Why? It was pretty obvious that it was a gift- not a purchase. When you bring the outside consumer world into BM, you get outside consumer mannerisms. People that gave me shit would have been given directions on how to properly pound sand up their ass.

It sucks you couldn't tell the 'customers' to make their own fucking latte.
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Post by kikidelosfeliz » Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:23 pm

I, for one, found it a blast to serve folks their coffee, most were touchingly grateful, and I'm forever also indebted to Clif-bar guy or girl (sorry about the corporate reference, call it an energy bar, whatever), also to the person who gave me the most gorgeous 2004 embroidered patch, and a magic 8-ball. I, for another, found coffee served to me when I was in an infantile state on a previous evening COMPLETELY MIRACULOUS and am most grateful to the folks who made it happen. Give out all the free coffee and chai you want, that sounds great too, but let the volunteers dance! Sheesh.
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Post by Captain Goddammit » Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:26 pm

Rob the Wop wrote: People that gave me shit would have been given directions on how to properly pound sand up their ass.

I always recommend a bucket of sand, a baseball bat, and a funnel...
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Post by MayorOfFrance » Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:52 pm

Perhaps it has been stated earlier in the thread, but we're at page 10 now.

I just read Harvey's defense of Center Camp Cafe in the summer newsletter, and while its a decent defense of the commerce issue, it doesn't address one I think may be just as or maybe more important:

RADICAL SELF-RELIANCE

I mean, if you want a latte, make a latte. Make 10. And force them on anyone who wanders by.

The ice sales I have less of a problem with. I can understand the safety net there. "Oh shit, my cooler was way less effective than I thought it would be. Guess I'll spend some of my drug money on some (reasonably affordable) ice at Center Camp."

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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:06 am

I AGREE!









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Post by diane o'thirst » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:19 pm

Second that. I defend Arctica because, as the ORG says, ice is needed for coolers, it is perishable, and is therefore a health issue. But hey, anyone can pack a pot to heat water and some coffee/tea/cocoa fixins. Espresso machines are getting more accessible, as Wop pointed out. Want your latte? Pack some Gevalia and a few extra Horizon milk steri-paks.
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Post by alienfry » Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:44 pm

this year a newbie in our camp volunteered at the cafe.

i didn't want to taint her experience by voicing my opinions about center cafe. i was very supportive. said "awesome, i hope you have a great time!"

me and some of my campmates went to go visit her at the end of the shift.

i was shocked when we got there.

she was exhausted. she was having a so-so time (which was great considering how unbelievably poor of an experience she said she had).

people were very rude to her and yelled at her. finally the shift leader made an announcement telling the customers to stop being assholes. i guess it did help.

at the end of the shift she thought she'd be tipped out. she wasn't expecting there to be tips, but there were tons and it's not like she needs the money, but she was surprised when all of it (and there was a TON) seemed to just dissappear.

we tried to rationalize it. saying maybe it all went to the local school district or maybe they just forgot to split it with her.

but seriously, who were we kidding? someone was being greedy.

i've never been a fan of the center cafe. now, i'm officially anti the damn thing. the customers suck and the organizers exploit well-meaning participants.

booooo center cafe!
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Post by Toolmaker » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:24 am

I prefer tea and I plan on offering tea to anyone who wants some,supplies permitting. I hope to be at the Prisoner Camp:The village in 07 but will be sure to post where I wind up. ANYONE is welcome to come have a cuppa tea with me for FREE!! I understand the ice thing though though I am opposed to it being sold, add a dollar to the ticket price and give away 14 ice vouchers.. 2 bags a day per person.. wow problem with commerce solved. Ice is now non-profit.

oops.. did someone say NON-Profit.

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Post by skygod » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:21 am

I love center camp latte's! Sure, I can make my own coffee, but you can't buy better entertainment than standing in line at center camp. I go twice a day, in the morning before my ice pick-up, and late at night. It's a people watcher's paradise! Sometimes the atmosphere is light and bubbly, other times it is oppressive. But the worse it is, the easier it is to cheer people up and have fun with a story or joke. Going to coffee camps is not the same-- Center Camp is the ONE camp that's in the CENTER! Cherish it!
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Post by Kinetic IV » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:28 am

Ok...fire the cannons time.

Larry supports coffee sales at center camp. It appears this has the support of ALL of the senior members of the LLC or at least enough that it's not going to change. Out of all the issues going on with the event why is this dead horse still being flogged? If it has Larry's support and vision behind it your odds of killing it are the same as seeing a US Navy sub surface in Lake Lahontan. It ain't gonna happen. So what's with all the debate? I don't get it. Enlighten me!
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Post by MayorOfFrance » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:56 am

Kinetic IV wrote:
Out of all the issues going on with the event why is this dead horse still being flogged? If it has Larry's support and vision behind it your odds of killing it are the same as seeing a US Navy sub surface in Lake Lahontan. It ain't gonna happen. So what's with all the debate? I don't get it. Enlighten me!
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Post by EspressoDude » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:58 am

There were obviously a bunch of people from around the 3:00 plaza that were not interested in center camp coffee.

ESPRESSO CAMP was open from shortly after sunrise to about noon. We always had a friendly group of people needing their morning Espresso.

Between Monday and Saturday we served 3278 shots of Naked Espresso, that is no soy/latte/frappa/crappa drinks.

That required 42 pounds of coffee and about 45 gallons of water.

I don't know how the other coffee camps tally worked out, but if you look at three dollar espresso's at CC times 3278, well, thats a bunch of bucks they missed out on...... :D (but then so did we) :D
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Post by MayorOfFrance » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:03 am

EspressoDude wrote:There were obviously a bunch of people from around the 3:00 plaza that were not interested in center camp coffee.

ESPRESSO CAMP was open from shortly after sunrise to about noon. We always had a friendly group of people needing their morning Espresso.
I also LOVED my two competing neighbors near 830 and Fetish serving up coffees for us on our brisk morning piss hikes.

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