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Times Square Bombing

Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:56 am

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ia2B ... AD8V7T8CG0

Police Probe Times Square Explosion
NEW YORK (AP) — An explosive device caused minor damage to a military recruiting station in Times Square early Thursday, and police blocked off the area to investigate.
Fuck and fuck and fuckity-fuck!

What were they thinking? You seriously have to think about the consequences of these things, if you're a sane person.

Some group of sincere activists must have gotten penetrated by an agent provocateur (which see), who induced them to do something retarded and stupid.

Now what? Guess which idiot has his finger poised over the "Suspend Civil Liberties" button. It won't change a thing.

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Post by Dork » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:14 am

What would have been an appropriate action? Something that caused more damage? Or just as much damage but not involving the word "explosion" ? Or continue to picket and get arrested? Or do nothing at all?

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Post by BitterDan » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:43 am

I am sort of skeptical when they say an explosive device. I mean, it says that the explosive broke a window and no one was injured. That tells me that someone tossed a M80 at the recruiters and all of the sudden it was a terrorist act.....
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Post by ZaphodBurner » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:08 pm

What would Ghandi, MLKjr or Ghandi have done?

Probably wouldn't have involved explosives.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:25 pm

Dork wrote:What would have been an appropriate action? Something that caused more damage? Or just as much damage but not involving the word "explosion" ? Or continue to picket and get arrested? Or do nothing at all?
If you want change, then work for change.

Maybe lure one of the recruiters into doing something nasty on tape with someone they shouldn't be seen with...

I didn't say that, BTW. ;)

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Post by Dork » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:58 pm

BitterDan wrote:I am sort of skeptical when they say an explosive device. I mean, it says that the explosive broke a window and no one was injured. That tells me that someone tossed a M80 at the recruiters and all of the sudden it was a terrorist act.....
According to the article they were fake (I'm assuming plastic) grenades packed with black powder. Enough power to pop windows out of an enclosed space and make noise, but not enough to do much else. Whoever planted it either wanted publicity without hurting anyone or didn't know how to make a proper bomb.
Maybe lure one of the recruiters into doing something nasty on tape with someone they shouldn't be seen with...
I'm sure a compromising tape involving one of those nonegenarian protesters would do the trick! But really... it's not about the individuals involved with the recruiting. They're doing their jobs just like the rest of the soldiers. The problem is government policy, and none of the usual techniques (voting a different party into office, protesting) have done squat.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:00 pm

Yeah, that's a bigger problem than a pipe bomb can cure, sure enough.

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Post by TheFunkHole » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:42 pm

Sounds like kids doing stupid kid stuff. Keep your eyes peeled for how this gets spun in the press. Hopefully it goes away without building steam for more domestic terrorism bills that take more of our rights away.

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:26 am

listen to the weathermen....
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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:55 pm

After the way the press treated Berkeley last month...
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:50 am

we will be invading berkeley next, right after venezuela....

fucking hippies.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:54 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:we will be invading berkeley next, right after venezuela....

fucking hippies.
Who's this "we", white man? ;)

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Post by Kinetik V » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:19 am

The root cause of this problem is fixable in the voting booth in November.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:42 am

i am NOT white.....i have a nice healthy glow, without the orange creme...

i would say lightly toasted sienna.


and the we i refer to is us...the American Public, who willingly goes along with our governments lies and wars of opportunity, even though we know better....We are Nazi Germany, 1936.....put that in your Meerscham and Smoke it Mein Komraden...

The story of the Pamphlets of the white Rose is so intriguing to me...Sophie Scholl, Hans Scholl and Alexander Schmorell and others....please read them here:

http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/

they were "good germans"....

i wonder how they will think of us, as the owners of history yet to come portray our Empire.

why didnt we try to stop it....

where were the voices of reason?

who was arrested, and persecuted, and why?

how will this ugly saga end?


the american dream is a Lynchian Nightmare, of dark foreboding clouds gathering on an unseen, black horizon.


here is the second leaflet....substitute American for German....and Nazi for Republican Swine.

a pig is a pig is a pig. keep in mind all involved were arrested, and quickly executed.

"We do not want to discuss here the question of the Jews, nor do we want in this leaflet to compose a defense or apology. No, only by way of example do we want to site the fact that since the conquest of Poland three hundred thousand Jews have been murdered in this country in the most bestial way. Here we see the most frightful crime against human dignity, a crime that is unparalleled in the whole of history. For Jews, too, are human beings - no matter what position we take with respect to the Jewish question - and a crime of this dimension has been perpetrated against human beings. Someone may say that the Jews deserve their fate. This assertion would be a monstrous impertinence; but let us assume that someone said this - what position has he then taken toward the fact that the entire Polish aristocratic youth is being annihilated? (May God grant that this program has not yet fully achieved its aim as yet!) All male offspring of the houses of the nobility between the ages of fifteen and twenty were transported to concentration camps in Germany and sentenced to forced labor, and all the girls of this age group were sent to Norway, into the bordellos of the SS! Why tell you these things, since you are fully aware of them - or if not of these, then of other equally grave crimes committed by this frightful sub-humanity? Because here we touch on a problem which involves us deeply and forces us all to take thought. Why do German people behave so apathetically in the face of all these abominable crimes, crimes so unworthy of the human race? Hardly anyone thinks about that. It is accepted as fact and put out of mind. The German people slumber on in their dull, stupid sleep and encourage these fascist criminals; they give them the opportunity to carry on their depredations; and of course they do so. Is this a sign that the Germans are brutalized in their simplest human feelings, that no chord within them cries out at the sight of such deeds, that they have sunk into a fatal consciencelessness from which they will never, never awake? It seems to be so, and will certainly be so, if the German does not at last start up out of his stupor, if he does not protest wherever and whenever he can against this clique of criminal, if he shows no sympathy for these hundreds of thousands of victims. He must evidence not only sympathy; no, much more: a sense of complicity in guilt. For through his apathetic behavior he gives these evil men the opportunity to act as they do; he tolerates this "government" which has taken upon itself such an infinitely great burden of guilt; indeed, he himself is to blame for the fact that it came about at all! Each man wants to be exonerated of a guilt of this kind, each one continues on his way with the most placid, the calmest conscience. But he cannot be exonerated; he is guilty, guilty, guilty! It is not too late, however, to do away with this most reprehensible of all miscarriages of government, so as to avoid being burdened with even greater guilt. Now, when in recent years our eyes have been opened, when we know exactly who our adversary is, it is high time to root out this brown horde. Up until the outbreak of the war the larger part of the German people was blinded; the Nazis did not show themselves in their true aspect. But now, now that we have recognized them for what they are, it must be the sole and first duty, the holiest duty of every German to destroy these beasts. "
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:30 pm

Seems we're reading out of the same playbook:
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/thoughtt ... pr05.shtml
"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after1933,between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know it doesn't make people close to their government to be told that this is a people's government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing to do with knowing one is governing.

What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if he people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:21 pm

Indeed....

what amazes me is the non-chalance and casual manner in which we go about our daily, over-indulged lives.

we are a nation of Murderers and Thieves.....let's own up to that....

we are slaughtering 100,000's of people in Iraq....Civilians, women, children.

they did NOTHING to us....they mean us no harm...our Military is Brutal as it is ineffective......indiscriminate bombing is cowardly and wrong...

our own little reichstag fire occurred in NYC on 9/11....it was a false flag operation, any idiot can figure that out.

Homeland security and the so-called Patriot Act (1 and 2) are the biggest pieces of crap to come down the pike since the gulf of tonkin resolution

and all so we can drive our big ass SUV's and have hot and cold running Slurpees at every corner and 666 channels on TV.


i am part of it.....i am not willing to challenge the powers that be for fear of my well being and my family....i am afraid of our government and what they can do to dissenters.

i go along to get along...


like every good german.
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Post by ZaphodBurner » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:00 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote: we are a nation of Murderers and Thieves.....let's own up to that....

we are slaughtering 100,000's of people in Iraq....Civilians, women, children.
What's this "we" shit? My brother completed a tour of duty dismantling a smuggling operation along the Syrian border in the Anbar province. They didn't slaughter people. IEDs and suicide bombers did. They caught smugglers brining in weapons, porn, drugs, medicine, whatever will make somebody a buck in Baghdad)
Simon of the Playa wrote: they did NOTHING to us....they mean us no harm...our Military is Brutal as it is ineffective......indiscriminate bombing is cowardly and wrong...
So what are YOU doing about it? Participate!
Simon of the Playa wrote: our own little reichstag fire occurred in NYC on 9/11....it was a false flag operation, any idiot can figure that out.
Oh, for fucksake. You're one of those people who can't accept the fact that sometimes Bad Guys are just plain fucking Bad Guys and they don't have to be American/Republican/Democrat/WhateverYouHappenToFearOrHate to be Bad.


Homeland security and the so-called Patriot Act (1 and 2) are the biggest pieces of crap to come down the pike since the gulf of tonkin resolution
Simon of the Playa wrote: and all so we can drive our big ass SUV's and have hot and cold running Slurpees at every corner and 666 channels on TV.
And go to Burning Man. Why do you drive all the way to Burning Man when you can hang out in a public park and not generate a shit-ton of litter? The word "Hippiecrit" comes to mind. The reality is, to an alien perspective we all live the same; we eat, shit, live under the same sorts of houses, drive the same sorts of vehicles and by and large, individually, we generate the same sorts of toxic wastes. What makes you any different?

I think it would be more constructive if people stopped pointing fingers at each other and started demonstrating leadership by example. Don't enlist. And for fucksake, when people in the world declare that they are going to blow up American and then rejoice when it does, stop blaming the victims.

If the government could have fooled the entire world (except for a bunch of screeching conspiracy idiots and a few enlightened people like yourself) they would have planted WMD and vindicated themselves. In the meantime, suicide bombers blow people up and release videos like this:
http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/ ... moghad.wmv and you think that somehow guys like my little brother are doing it all.

His second tour of duty was spent building and painting schools and chasing pirates that were attacking civilian freighters. How come nobody mentions that when accusing the United States for things also perpetrated by warlords and terrorists in Iraq?
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:32 pm

ahhh, the droning bleating of sheeple....it's like serta did the propaganda themselves...


"tell it to the vietnamese"..(stolen from recent film, 'in Bruges')..oh, wait, they're not arabs....


my how left wing liberals with a certain religious tradition turn into filthy blood-lusting hawks when "sand-niggers" are concerned or their stolen property is questioned.


tunnel vision, with yarmulke....


and i, am not, a hippie....i will leave it at that.
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Post by ZaphodBurner » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:19 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:ahhh, the droning bleating of sheeple....i
LOL! Exactly. Just because people disagree with the Troofers doesn't make skeptics "bleating sheeple," but that's the sort of self-righteous pricks that buy into conspiracy theories for some reason. What kind of abusive, arrogant assholes refers to people as "sheeple" anyway? What, do you they think they're superior to everybody who doesn't believe in a 9/11 conspiracy?

Thank you for artistically pointing this out. I appreciate irony. That's art.

Like I said, my brother built schools in the last year Djabouti, deployed as a Marine. What have Troofer types done besides whine and accuse guys like him of war crimes? Could they find Djabouti on a map?

Have they seen: http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/ ... moghad.wmv

Enjoy. I double-dog goddamned dare Troofer geeks to look at the face of the real enemy.

These people couldn't POSSIBLY be guilty of the crimes you're accusing our brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, coworkers, nieces and nephews, could they?

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:27 pm

you are the one being arrogant and condescending, my angry little patriot...


go wrap yourself up in your scoundrel's clothing and seek a last refuge.


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Post by BitterDan » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:30 pm

the troof SHALL set you free.
It's twoo. I seen it.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:39 pm

GLALGM!





















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Post by TheFunkHole » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:50 pm

Another Dead Thread...

I can't believe we didn't solve all the world's problems AGAIN! Keep trying folks, one day we'll get 'em.

Why can't 911 be bullshit AND troops fight and work their asses off for a good cause? I say it can be.

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:52 am

ahhhh. the voice of funky reason.....


i will agree to that....As one uncle is a retired Lt, Col. in the air force, and my other uncle is buried in arlington, i am more than aware and thankful for the job and duty our armed services provide.


so zaphod, if you wanna out-military me, you're going to have a tough time of it.

i turned DOWN my commission to West Point.....so fuck you, and tell your brother he's nothing more than a sanctioned killer.

the uniform does not mean you do not have to answer to god.

thou shalt not kill.......period......the end.

and as far as 9/11 goes, yeah, you're right, you were there, you know all, and the president and his people and our government never lie.

if that makes your day go by easier, great....Just dont push that pablum on me.

i know better.
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Post by TheFunkHole » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:10 am

Cripes Zaphod, how 'bout a little warning on that Faces of Death vid... geez. You're right, those were some very bad people doing very bad things.

Excuse me while I go vomit.

It seems your brother did some amazing things abroad and you are very proud of him. You are emotionally tied to the war via your family and probably find this "Hippie" chat frustrating, disgusting, annoying, and dishonorable.

I'm gonna argue that "bad" people come in all colors, forms, shapes, and cultures.

Sure the military is doing great stuff like building schools, but how many did they blow up by accident somewhere else? You could argue they are both good and bad.

Bad is a perception. Bad can even be perceived and justified as good, like spreading "freedom" throughout the middle east is good because our President and his Admin says so and coerced the war by inciting fear to the masses, based on "bad" intelligence.

The bad guys in your video probably thought they were doing good by hacking off people's heads with a knife. Do they see themselves as bad guys?

The person who placed a bomb at the Times Square recruitment site thought they were doing good by making an anti-war statement. Yet, setting off bombs is bad, right? Well, wait, it can be good too, like when we bombed Japan to end another War. Or was that bad too? Geez, I am confused, this whole good and bad thing is more complicated than I first thought, especially when it comes to bombs.

All those scenarios could be perceived as good or bad depending on how you justify your choices.

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Post by ZaphodBurner » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:12 am

Simon of the Playa wrote: i turned DOWN my commission to West Point.....so fuck you, and tell your brother he's nothing more than a sanctioned killer.
Officers get commissioned. Cadets get appointed. I completed Officer Candidates School in the US Marines. Was raised by a POW/Nazi torture victim and a woman who lost her first husband over Germany.

So what? My brother was a sanctioned school builder and never killed anybody, but that doesn't fit into your conspiracy whiz-wheel so I see you just rejected it. How many third world schools have YOU built? Typical goddamn overweight self-absorbed civilian American consumer hypocrite. As if you don't buy oil yourself.
Simon of the Playa wrote: the uniform does not mean you do not have to answer to god.
Which god? I'm sort of a sun/dirt/water/sky/fire worshipper myself.
Simon of the Playa wrote: thou shalt not kill.......period......the end.
Keep your damned murderous god nonsense to yourself, Reverend.
Simon of the Playa wrote: and as far as 9/11 goes, yeah, you're right, you were there,
Hmm. Were you? "Yeah, you're right, you were there, you know all..."
Simon of the Playa wrote:i know better.
Oh, I'm sure. You were there, right?

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Post by TheFunkHole » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:42 am

Can you hear it? It's... chanting....

Listen!

They're saying, "Two Men Enter, One Man Leaves!"

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:11 am

My Father's business partners survived Birkenau....One lost his foot to Gangrene....I have heard the stories, and shed tears....

that is another issue, yet that seems to be your focus for all things, as the jews tend to focus on their particular holocaust, as opposed to the world war in general, and the millions who died at the hands of both sides.

never again.....fine......


yet, the very people who were so horribly persecuted and sought sanctuary, are now the brutal oppressors, and are blind to their own situation.

a terrorist is a freedom fighter is a rebel is a patriot, it really depends on your perspective, as Mr. funkHole so eloquently pointed out...

it is quite obvious where you Are coming from...

and, it is also quite obvious that you are unwilling to entertain the notion that you might be wrong, misinformed, incorrect in your analysis, or just a dumb-ass.


so, thunderdome?



i'm game if you are, and we shall settle this, like men...


agreed? or shall we continue the drippity drip
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:53 am

If we ever do find ourselves - in the very far future - fighting (hypothetically) against some power - say space aliens - that has subverted democracy and the American Way - we need to be careful not to strike against the very citizens who would support our cause.

I'm just saying.

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Post by ZaphodBurner » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:02 am

HELLYEAH, THUNDERDOME! I've watched a lot of good matches but haven't been in the actual Dome. In the military they don't let you swill whiskey or tequila on your way into the pugil stick circle.
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